EATING AND DRINKING IN THE KINGDOM

[Doug]

[Romans 14:17 KJV] 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Some say this verse proves the kingdom of God is only spiritual.

[Romans 14:15 KJV] 15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Paul was exhorting the body not to make meat a stumbling block to a weaker brother who thinks it is unclean.

[Luke 22:30 KJV] 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The Lord Jesus says that in the kingdom they will eat and drink in a physical kingdom, not a spiritual one.

The fact that the apostles will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes confirms that Luke is speaking of the earthly Davidic kingdom.

[Rev 21:12, 14 KJV] 12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: ... 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

In the Holy city of the New Jerusalem the twelve tribes and the twelve apostles are found.

 

[quietthinker]

[Romans 14:17 KJV] 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Paul states that the kingdom is not meat and drink.

[Luke 22:30 KJV] 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The Lord Jesus says that in the kingdom they will eat and drink.

Both can't be true; you can't eat and drink and not eat and drink at the same time.

It can be resolved by acknowledging that there must be two kingdoms; Paul in Romans is speaking of the heavenly kingdom, while Jesus in Luke is speaking of the earthly kingdoms.

The fact that the apostles will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes confirms that Luke is speaking of the earthly Davidic kingdom.

[Rev 21:12, 14 KJV] 12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: ... 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

In the Holy city of the New Jerusalem the twelve tribes and the twelve apostles are found.

It is your lack of understanding which enables your poor judgement on scripture.
In any case, it appears to me you can't hear, don't hear or don't want to hear statements like the one I've just made......and so you stay in ignorance while you think it is wisdom.

 

[Doug]

It is your lack of understanding which enables your poor judgement on scripture.
In any case, it appears to me you can't hear, don't hear or don't want to hear statements like the one I've just made......and so you stay in ignorance while you think it is wisdom.

I would welcome a scriptural based objection to my post..........I am willing to correct my views if there are valid reasons and in fact I did so.......I revised my post

[Romans 14:17 KJV] 17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Some say this verse proves the kingdom of God is only spiritual.

[Romans 14:15 KJV] 15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.

Paul was exhorting the body not to make meat a stumbling block to a weaker brother who thinks it is unclean.

[Luke 22:30 KJV] 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

The Lord Jesus says that in the kingdom they will eat and drink in a physical kingdom, not a spiritual one.

The fact that the apostles will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes confirms that Luke is speaking of the earthly Davidic kingdom.

[Rev 21:12, 14 KJV] 12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: ... 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

In the Holy city of the New Jerusalem the twelve tribes and the twelve apostles are found.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Christians don't drink the booze or smoke the devil's lettuce (weed) but the fake "christians" do.

 

[quietthinker]

Christians don't drink the booze or smoke the devil's lettuce (weed) but the fake "christians" do.

I see you have your own laws!.....Is there any grace towards those who don't?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I see you have your own laws!.....Is there any grace towards those who don't?

Go ahead and smoke the weed and drink the booze and see where you end up.

It'll be like an experiment with eternal consequences!

It's always comical when the greasy gracers out themselves as supporting sinful behavior.

 

[quietthinker]

Go ahead and smoke the weed and drink the booze and see where you end up.

It'll be like an experiment with eternal consequences!

It's always comical when the greasy gracers out themselves as supporting sinful behavior.

Interesting how you side stepped a direct question substituting it with blame (judgement) without evidence. In other words, no grace!

It's a common pattern with the trumpeters of 'law has been done away with, we are now under grace' It's odd how the lack of grace and the implementing of laws (their own) are applied.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I see you have your own laws!.....Is there any grace towards those who don't?

I go by what the Lord says, and according to the Word of the Lord there is NO mercy for those that refuse to turn away from their sin (Proverbs 28:13) and start living for the Lord. God is not mocked, those that sow to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption (Galatians 6:7-8)

Interesting how you side stepped a direct question substituting it with blame (judgement) without evidence. In other words, no grace!

It's a common pattern with the trumpeters of 'law has been done away with, we are now under grace' It's odd how the lack of grace and the implementing of laws (their own) are applied.

See response above.

Those following greasy grace don't spend eternity with the Lord.

 

[Webers_Home]

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● Phil 3:20-21 . . But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a
savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, who, by the power that enables him
to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that
they will be like his glorious body.

Seeing as how Jesus' glorified body will be capable of dining upon ordinary
foods and beverages; then I see no sensible reason to question whether the
glorified bodies of his friends will be capable too,

● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

● Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials;
and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant
with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my
kingdom.
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[Big Boy Johnson]

Seeing as how Jesus' glorified body will be capable of dining upon ordinary
foods and beverages; then I see no sensible reason to question whether the
glorified bodies of his friends will be capable too,

This does not mean Jesus will be drinking the booze or smoking the weed as some try to claim in their attempts to legitimize themselves drinking the booze and smoking the weed claiming to still be Christians

 

[Webers_Home]

This does not mean Jesus will be drinking the booze or smoking the weed as some try to claim in
their attempts to legitimize themselves drinking the booze and smoking the weed claiming to still
be Christians

I'm pretty sure Jesus used an alcoholic beverage as one of the species when
he dedicated the so called Lord's Supper, but seriously question all posits
that suggest the bread he broke was a space cake. To my knowledge, no breads
back then were made with cannabis; especially during Passover.
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[Big Boy Johnson]

I'm pretty sure Jesus used an alcoholic beverage

But you cannot prove from scripture that Jesus drank fermented wine.

Even if He did the "wine" they had back then had only a fraction of the alcohol content of what we have today.

Telling people Jesus drank the booze causes some to stumble, so good luck with all that!

 

[Webers_Home]

Telling people Jesus drank the booze causes some to stumble, so good luck with all that!

Jesus imbibed.

● Mark 14:24-25 . . I tell you the truth, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until
that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God.

The thing is: Passover is celebrated in Spring a few months ahead of grape harvest. So
whatever was in that cup had to be at least a little spoiled because they had no way to
store beverages in air-tight containers back then.

* Grape juice is one of the easiest beverages to ferment because grapes come
equipped with a naturally-occurring fungi on their skins. Back then, when grapes were
pressed, it was nigh unto impossible to keep some of that fungi from mingling with the
product.

Alcohol per se isn't forbidden: it's drunkenness that's forbidden. (Eph 5:18, 1Tim 3:2)
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[Big Boy Johnson]

Jesus imbibed.

No, you cannot prove that He drank alcoholic wine.

The word wine simply means fruit of the vine unless it's phrased as strong drink as we see in scripture which is referencing alcoholic drinks

I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine

No mention of alcohol here

The thing is: Passover is celebrated in Spring a few months ahead of grape harvest. So
whatever was in that cup had to be at least a little spoiled because they had no way to
store beverages in air-tight containers back then.

And those that have studied this time period in which Jesus lived knows that they used a paste made out of grapes (fruit of the vine) where they would add a small amount of this paste to their water to help kill germs and bacteria because they water was not necessarily clean so this is what they called "wine" and it had very little alcohol content in it so it was nothing like wine today.

Alcohol per se isn't forbidden: it's drunkenness that's forbidden. (Eph 5:18, 1Tim 3:2)

Abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22) and drinking the booze is evil and as such it should be avoided.

Telling people Jesus drank the booze causes some to stumble, and is claiming Jesus was partaking in evil practices.

It's why so many who claim to be "christian" drink the booze and claim they are not drunk unless they are slurring their words and can hardly walk so the false teaching that Jesus drank the booze is sinful behavior which was the devil's intent in starting the rumor that Jesus hung out with sinners and partied with them

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Biblical definition of "drunkards"

G3183 - methusos -- pronounced: meth'-oo-sos
from 3184; tipsy, i.e. (as noun) a sot: KJV -- drunkard.
See Greek No. 3184 <G3184>

G3184 - methuo -- pronounced: meth-oo'-o
from another form of 3178; to drink to intoxication, i.e. get drunk: KJV -- drink well, make (be) drunk(-en).
See Greek No. 3178 <G3178>

Those that drink alcohol are engaging in the appearance of evil even if not
getting drunk, and they are being friendly with the world as well as abusing
their body all of which are not biblical and is sinful behavior.

1 Thessalonians 5:21,22
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Abstain from all appearance of evil.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the
friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever
therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

Plus, it's known medical fact that alcohol is harmful to your health and Christians
have been bought with a price they are not their own and are called to glorify
God in their bodies (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) so drinking alcohol is sinful behavior.

1 Corinthians 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;
for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Christians have no right to abuse their body by ingesting alcohol.
Those that don't take their relationship with the Lord seriously
would be the ones drinking booze while claiming to be Christians.

 

[Webers_Home]

Abstain from all appearance of evil (1 Thessalonians 5:22) and drinking the booze is evil and as
such it should be avoided.

Not all Christians believe the way you do. The thing is: according to the
principles discussed in the 14th of Romans: if you sincerely believe alcohol is
wrong for Christians, then for you it is definitely wrong, but you mustn't
condemn others who feel that alcohol, in moderation, is alright for
Christians.
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[Big Boy Johnson]

you mustn't
condemn others who feel that alcohol, in moderation, is alright for
Christians.

Yeah lots of folks believe a little sin in moderation is OK.

We'll see where all these moderate sinners end up when the future gets here

Many believe all future sins are automatically forgiven so why wouldn't they get drunk, smoke dope, fornicate, etc, etc.

It's all part of the falling away in the end times the Lord told us about in His Word.

 

[quietthinker]

Those following greasy grace don't spend eternity with the Lord.

The misapprehension you doggedly insist on is the implication that I am talking of 'greasy grace' and that what you put out has nothing to do with law.
You have fooled yourself with your own construct just as the Jews fooled themselves with theirs!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The misapprehension you doggedly insist on is the implication that I am talking of 'greasy grace' and that what you put out has nothing to do with law.
You have fooled yourself with your own construct just as the Jews fooled themselves with theirs!

Thank you Greasy Grace Man for that report from the speculation desk, and now back to reality

 

[quietthinker]

Thank you Greasy Grace Man for that report from the speculation desk, and now back to reality

What do you do with a man who laughs at his own dim wittedness!