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I am reposting this as a separate thread. The following dream was originally sent to me by a friend (who goes by talons here), in October of last year. It appears to be getting increasingly relevant now, as the dollar is weakening against nearly all other currencies in light of the ongoing tariff wars. My interpretation at the time was that the dollar was what was keeping the US economy from sinking, but that a flood was on its way and would likely reach us eventually. Unfortunately the dollar is now taking a beating, hence why I thought I should repost this material as it is something that bears watching. First the dream in its entirety.

Andrew Jackson Dream

I was in long room and I was up close to a wall with other people close to the wall on the other side of the door about 15 feet from the door. The room had a tile floor and water was leaking under the door from outside and running down the grout lines of the tile mostly away from me toward the other people. I told the other people who were not noticing the water coming in to look at what was happening, and the water was coming in fairly fast as some of the tiles were now completely covered. So as we went to check and see what we could do about the leak at the door, there was an eagle standing right in front of and facing the door. The eagle was like it had been molded into a 2X2 flat square plaque and flattened out, wings kind of spread like this stamp but a live eagle.

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The eagle's name was "Jackson," which was given to me in the dream when I saw President Andrew Jackson like he appears on $20 bill. I went and picked up Jackson and moved him away from the door, but he walked right back to his post about a foot away from the door. The only part of the eagle that was animate was his feet to walk with, and his eyes and eyebrows (you could read his expressions). He was not happy when I moved him away from the door, and it pained him to have walk back to his position facing it. He felt like a real eagle would feel when I picked him up and moved him. We were going to open the door, but Jackson walked back over and did not allow us to open the door. That was when we laughed, and I said we needed to trade Jackson in at the bank for a newer eagle, since he was looking kind of worn. But he was still standing in his spot at the door.
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Interpretation:

The phrase "having your back against the wall" describes a situation where someone is in a difficult or desperate position and has limited options. This kinda describes the situation the United States was in as of late 2024. Much of American industry had long been shipped off, but what was keeping the US alive was the fact that the dollar was still the world's base currency. This was the meaning of "Jackson," who was still holding the flood waters back. Unfortunately (and I am not anti-Trump, as I have stipulated in other threads), the attempts of the new administration to rebuild American industry may have been well intended, but they are now clearly coming at the expense of the dollar, and this does not bode well for the US economy going forward. For those who do not know American history, Andrew Jackson fought with the banks in defense of the US economy being taken advantage of, and it appears that fight could be lost now if things keep going on their current trajectory. Getting delivered from our debt to the IMF and World Bank may soon be an impossibility if we do not. All that will be left is a slow decline into recession and eventually depression, due to indebtedness the US simply cannot get out of.

Will the administration's gamble pay off? One hopes it will. But the current slide in the dollar over the last several months especially paints a different picture.

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I am reposting this as a separate thread. The following dream was originally sent to me by a friend (who goes by talons here), in October of last year. It appears to be getting increasingly relevant now, as the dollar is weakening against nearly all other currencies in light of the ongoing tariff wars. My interpretation at the time was that the dollar was what was keeping the US economy from sinking, but that a flood was on its way and would likely reach us eventually. Unfortunately the dollar is now taking a beating, hence why I thought I should repost this material as it is something that bears watching. First the dream in its entirety.

Andrew Jackson Dream

I was in long room and I was up close to a wall with other people close to the wall on the other side of the door about 15 feet from the door. The room had a tile floor and water was leaking under the door from outside and running down the grout lines of the tile mostly away from me toward the other people. I told the other people who were not noticing the water coming in to look at what was happening, and the water was coming in fairly fast as some of the tiles were now completely covered. So as we went to check and see what we could do about the leak at the door, there was an eagle standing right in front of and facing the door. The eagle was like it had been molded into a 2X2 flat square plaque and flattened out, wings kind of spread like this stamp but a live eagle.

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The eagle's name was "Jackson," which was given to me in the dream when I saw President Andrew Jackson like he appears on $20 bill. I went and picked up Jackson and moved him away from the door, but he walked right back to his post about a foot away from the door. The only part of the eagle that was animate was his feet to walk with, and his eyes and eyebrows (you could read his expressions). He was not happy when I moved him away from the door, and it pained him to have walk back to his position facing it. He felt like a real eagle would feel when I picked him up and moved him. We were going to open the door, but Jackson walked back over and did not allow us to open the door. That was when we laughed, and I said we needed to trade Jackson in at the bank for a newer eagle, since he was looking kind of worn. But he was still standing in his spot at the door.
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Interpretation:

The phrase "having your back against the wall" describes a situation where someone is in a difficult or desperate position and has limited options. This kinda describes the situation the United States was in as of late 2024. Much of American industry had long been shipped off, but what was keeping the US alive was the fact that the dollar was still the world's base currency. This was the meaning of "Jackson," who was still holding the flood waters back. Unfortunately (and I am not anti-Trump, as I have stipulated in other threads), the attempts of the new administration to rebuild American industry may have been well intended, but they are now clearly coming at the expense of the dollar, and this does not bode well for the US economy going forward. For those who do not know American history, Andrew Jackson fought with the banks in defense of the US economy being taken advantage of, and it appears that fight could be lost now if things keep going on their current trajectory. Getting delivered from our debt to the IMF and World Bank may soon be an impossibility if we do not. All that will be left is a slow decline into recession and eventually depression, due to indebtedness the US simply cannot get out of.

Will the administration's gamble pay off? One hopes it will. But the current slide in the dollar over the last several months especially paints a different picture.

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The dollar index (USDX) was established in 1973 and has a base of 100. In 1984 USDX was at 165, in 2007 it was at 70, and currently (6/13/25) it’s at 98.14.
If you’re convinced that the dollar is going to move lower against the other currencies why don’t you just buy an ETF like UDN which shorts the dollar (it goes up in value when the dollar goes lower)?
 

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The dollar index (USDX) was established in 1973 and has a base of 100. In 1984 USDX was at 165, in 2007 it was at 70, and currently (6/13/25) it’s at 98.14.
If you’re convinced that the dollar is going to move lower against the other currencies why don’t you just buy an ETF like UDN which shorts the dollar (it goes up in value when the dollar goes lower)?
Or physical gold and silver
 
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Christians should pay attention to God's promises, not what is going on in the world.

God can and will provide for His faithful, and those getting in to fear will not be helped by the Lord because they are not trusting and following Him and instead walking by sight and not be faith.

That's correct. I think as the systems of this world slowly begin to collapse (not that it's happening overnight), developing the ability to trust God will become evermore important.
 
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Christians should pay attention to God's promises, not what is going on in the world.

But what is going on in the world is what God foretold us in the scriptures would be going on at this time.

All we need to be able to see this are eyes to see and ears to hear to know this fact.
 

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That's correct. I think as the systems of this world slowly begin to collapse (not that it's happening overnight), developing the ability to trust God will become evermore important.
That’s the whole purpose of Gods Judgements, is to bring people back to their first love. Some will refuse and will be gnashing their teeth.

He will dismantle all things not built on Him, look out into world and tell me what you see? I see a decaying and dying world that is about to be shaken off its foundations. Peace and Blessings. Time is short.
 

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US Dollars do slowly deflate in value
Means there is an ongoing collapse.
When dollar goes down everything priced in dollars goes to higher costs, it is called inflation.
If all you have is dollars, and no other investments, your purchasing power will steadily collapse over time.

The opposite of inflation? Well that is deflation.
In a deflationary depression, demand for things collapses, their price relative to the dollar drops, means the value of a dollar rises.

If we got into a depression, the dollar would go up in value.
People who lived through the 1930's depression, if they had sufficient cash, survived in great shape.


 

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The USA not to mention the Nations of the world are being controled by Criminal intent !
No one could be so stupid not to understand that we are being Played !

Socialist and Communist and Fat Cats within Governments etc are Satanist !

Trump has not caused any trouble in fact, but who clearly has ? It's the same oldsame old Socialist and Communist playing the fool and such dogs playing people for fools !
 

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When dollar goes down everything priced in dollars goes to higher costs, it is called inflation.
If all you have is dollars, and no other investments, your purchasing power will steadily collapse over time.

The opposite of inflation? Well that is deflation.
In a deflationary depression, demand for things collapses, their price relative to the dollar drops, means the value of a dollar rises.

If we got into a depression, the dollar would go up in value.
People who lived through the 1930's depression, if they had sufficient cash, survived in great shape.

Hey Scott.

That's a lot to bite off, but the 1929 depression and the one that will eventually come in the future (if it can be called that) will be two different animals. The US dollar was still tied to the gold standard, and today it is not. And In 1929, it was the stock market that actually crashed, not the dollar, leading to a depression. It was bad, but at least it cleaned the system out so they could start over and rebuild it. I think this will eventually become a type of stagflation, based on the national debt and the decline in the value of the US dollar. I think their only way left to deal with it (and this is purely speculation on my part), will be to print more money, which will further decrease the value of the dollar, not raise it.

Blessings,
- H
 

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Hey Scott.

That's a lot to bite off, but the 1929 depression and the one that will eventually come in the future (if it can be called that) will be two different animals. The US dollar was still tied to the gold standard, and today it is not. And In 1929, it was the stock market that actually crashed, not the dollar, leading to a depression. It was bad, but at least it cleaned the system out so they could start over and rebuild it. I think this will eventually become a type of stagflation, based on the national debt and the decline in the value of the US dollar. I think their only way left to deal with it (and this is purely speculation on my part), will be to print more money, which will further decrease the value of the dollar, not raise it.

Blessings,
- H
I grew up in the 70's in my teens and we had stagflation back then.
 

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I grew up in the 70's in my teens and we had stagflation back then.

So did I, and yes we did. :clmSmlx But the amount of US debt to GDP was around 35% in the 70s. Now US debt to GDP is close to 125% and climbing. That means that four times as much is going just to service the debt now, which creates a different situation, and deeper hole to climb out of.
 
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So did I, and yes we did. :clmSmlx But the amount US debt to GDP was around 35% in the 70s. Now US debt to GDP is close to 125% and climbing. That means that four times as much is going just to service the debt now, which creates a different situation, and deeper hole to climb out of.
I know, we have this huge overhanging debt.
Elon Musk has said in a few years, all the national income to to the governemt will go to pay interest on that debt.
And that means no money for anything else.
The FED prints money and the value of a dollar drops more and more
It is why things like gold have climbed so much.
And the government spends us into oblivion.
No one wants to make those cuts to governmnt spending, cause of the unrest it would cause to the people, so they keep kicking that can down the road.

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