Plane crash - flight on its way to Gatwick

[Big Boy Johnson]

It's entirely possible the pilots were not actually stupid and the electrical system of the plane malfunctioned.

The plane was built by Boeing after all.

 

[Rita]

A pilot said the cockpit crew made serious errors.
Instead of pulling up the wheels, they changed the flap angle, they pushed or pulled the wrong lever while taking to the air.
The wheels caused a huge drag on the forward speed.
The flaps were then set wrong, could not generate sufficient lift, even with them pushing engines to max throttle.

The plane lost ability to lift up and fly, started coming down.
They pulled up the nose and it did not help.
They only had seconds to fix their error, and they were panicking.
It's just like when the unexpected happens due to your own fault, you're thinking you are doing the right things, but you made a mistake and do not understand what is happening.

I can see how an AI could fly a plane better as it knows every step and does it like a machine will do.

‘ a pilot said ‘ sounds like speculation.
Probably best to wait and see what the black box reveals - to see if in fact it was pilot error or not.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

‘ a pilot said ‘ sounds like speculation.
Probably best to wait and see what the black box reveals - to see if in fact it was pilot error or not.

If I was a betting man (and gambling was not sinful), I'd bet that the plane itself malfunctioned and is the cause of the crash.

If you'll remember, this particular Boeing plane has been very problematic and numerous other planes have crashed especially when this model first came out a few years ago.

 

[Rita]

If I was a betting man (and gambling was not sinful), I'd bet that the plane itself malfunctioned and is the cause of the crash.

If you'll remember, this particular Boeing plane has been very problematic and numerous other planes have crashed especially when this model first came out a few years ago.

There are claims that there were problems on the previous flight - but obviously you get all kinds of claims on social media.

 

[Scott Downey]

‘ a pilot said ‘ sounds like speculation.
Probably best to wait and see what the black box reveals - to see if in fact it was pilot error or not.

The flaps and wheels are the main think right now for this crash

If the pilot had flaps up at takeoff, alarms will sound.
Meaning flaps were ok until pilot went to raise wheels. flap handle is next to wheel control.
Idea is the mistake happens right after plane is airborne. Flap handle is mistakenly moved up leaving wheels down

'Flaps up and wheels down': Aviation expert explains what went 'dangerously' wrong in Ahmedabad Air India crash

Raised flaps stopped the Boeing 787-8 from gaining altitude while the wheels reduced the speed of the aircraft, says aviation expert Jacob Philip

www.theweek.in

An auto pilot AI would not have made this takeoff mistake.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The plane was built by Boeing, nuff said

 

[Jay Ross]

The plane was built by Boeing, nuff said

The data suggests that Boeing's record is no better or worse than any other aircraft manufacture. The quoted comment only shows the ignorance of the author.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The data suggests that Boeing's record is no better or worse than any other aircraft manufacture. The quoted comment only shows the ignorance of the author.

The ignorant ones have not been paying attention all the planes crashes they've had the past few years due to their quality control being subpart.

Hope you get smarter and quick!

 

[Jay Ross]

The ignorant ones have not been paying attention all the planes crashes they've had the past few years due to their quality control being subpart.

Hope you get smarter and quick!

For a supposed expert on plane safety, to just place all of the blame on the manufacturing company of a particular plane does not account for all the "companies" and personnel, outside of the manufacturer, who also have an impact on the overall safe operation of a plane is a biased blame game that either of us should enter into without considering all of the facts first before putting both feet in our respective mouths.

This is something that you are very good at.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

For a supposed expert on plane safety

And you studied aviation maintenance management at which university was that again?

I'm simply going by all the crashes and quality control issues Boeing has had in recent years that have been very public and has caused their new jumbo jet to be grounded numerous times in numerous countries around the world due to safety issues.

There's no reality in the fantasy land you are living in so come out from among them and get some common sense!

 

[Jay Ross]

And you studied aviation maintenance management at which university was that again?

At the age of 20 years old I was responsible for the quality control of product produced by a manufacturing company's plant. The plant consisted of a metal foundry, a machine shop, and a polishing and chrome plating section.

I am also a qualified Mechanical Engineer, degree level.

I'm simply going by all the crashes and quality control issues Boeing has had in recent years that have been very public and has caused their new jumbo jet to be grounded numerous times in numerous countries around the world due to safety issues.

Every plane manufacturer has many parts that go into building a plane, and many of these parts are not manufactured by the company finally assembling the plane. Boeing is one such company that build planes, some of which are commercial passenger planes. From experience, a failure in just one part can be because of many causes, but when these many smaller problems are added together, they can result in a major catastrophic failure in an object they have been used in.

Let me give an example. A high-pressure fibre wrapped storage cylinder in its handling between when it was manufactured and installed onto a vehicle was scratched and some of the outer fibres of the wrapping had been cut/broken. An unqualified government official in the maintenance requirements of fibre wrapped cylinders allowed a cheap repair process to be used for the damaged fibre wrapping of the cylinder. The repair that this person approved was to simply apply "super glue" over the damaged section of the fibre wrapping of this cylinder.

After being installed on a vehicle, this damaged fibre wrapped cylinder had a catastrophic failure after being refilled at a compressor station over a period of a number of years.

Now was the fibre wrapped cylinder manufacturer responsible for this catastrophic failure? No, they were not. The correct procedure for when a fibre wrapped cylinder's fibre wrapping is damaged is to scrap the damaged cylinder completely.

A passenger plane had a catastrophic oxygen cylinder failure when flying which punched a hole through the planes' fuselage. Since the cylinder was "lost" mid-flight the cause of the cylinder failure could not be determined. This failure could have caused the plane to crash with the loss of all lives. Should the plane manufacture be blamed if that plane crashed because of the fibre wrapped oxygen cylinder's failure had cause a catastrophic failure of the plane's fuselage.

Plane manufactures are an easy target for blaming aircraft crashes upon by journalists who are unqualified to do so.

It often takes years of investigation to determine the cause of each crashed plane. Making an early call on who was at fault, like you are doing, is wrong and is very close to witchcraft decision making.

There's no reality in the fantasy land you are living in so come out from among them and get some common sense!

A very bold statement on your part when you yourself have not shown any common sense when making your claim of fault so quickly.

Fools always rush in, where wise men take their time to consider all of the facts before speaking.

In my posts above I was suggesting that it is too early to decide on what caused the Indian airline's plane to crash.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

At the age of 20 years old I was responsible for the quality control of product produced by a manufacturing company's plant. The plant consisted of a metal foundry, a machine shop, and a polishing and chrome plating section.

I am also a qualified Mechanical Engineer, degree level.

I see but no experience in the aviation industry and you missed hearing about all the issues Boeing was having including several plane crashed caused by poor quality control or some of their employees just not caring about doing good work.

you yourself have not shown any common sense when making your claim of fault so quickly.

You obviously missed hearing about all the issues Boeing was having including several plane crashed caused by poor quality control or some of their employees just not caring about doing good work.

I can tell you one thing, if I ever have the need to fly somewhere again it won't be on Boeing aircraft.

 

[Jay Ross]

I see but no experience in the aviation industry

I see no experience that you have had in the aviation industry other than to read and watch the sound bites.

You obviously missed hearing about all the issues Boeing was having including several plane crashed caused by poor quality control or some of their employees just not caring about doing good work.

No, I have not missed any reliable news.

The question that is being asked is why does the Bad Boy Johnson keep bagging members on this forum? Is that the only way he can feel that you are an important person on this forum?

 

[Rita]

I didn’t start this thread to give voice to stupid arguments over who is right and who is wrong - thread locked