End times time frames by chapter and fit

[Davy]

To any in this forum, please go to Rumble and search for "Years of Christ Return". (Ignore the upfront "Warning" if you are of the few moving forward along the Narrow Path.) That video gives the relatively simple solution to Daniel 12. It is obvious... but only after you "see it". And it also shows Daniel 12 has the same mathematical pattern at Daniel 9 (70-Weeks). Then go on to read the web pages in full that the video points to, and you will have all (or at least most of ) the answers you seek (if you are sincere in looking for the Truth).

To briefly note, the "time, times, and half a time" in Daniel 12 is NOT the same as the one in Daniel 7:25 (which is the one that matches the forty-two months and 1260 days in Revelation). And there is nothing in the Bible that says they are the same, even though many assume it. (Of course, many people assume a lot of things regarding prophecy, but assumptions many times keep the Truth hidden in plain sight.)

I don't do Spiritual warfare, so it's not likely I will keep checking this forum for long. But to those true of heart, I wish you well in your journey with the Lord.

Not interested in that Rumble.

The Daniel 12:7 "time, times, and an half" is the SAME period of Dan.7:25 and Dan.8:14, and even Dan.12:1 reveals it is the same timing with the "time of trouble" idea, i.e., Jacob's trouble. The written Bible Scripture is simple enough. No need for non-believing Jewish confusion about it.

 

[Douggg]

You are using a logical fallacy called an argument from silence. Fallacies are invalid arguments.

No, I am not making a fallacy. New World Order is not in the bible. And Jesus did not speak about a New Word Order in Matthew 24:15-21.

 

[ewq1938]

No, I am not making a fallacy. New World Order is not in the bible. And Jesus did not speak about a New Word Order in Matthew 24:15-21.

You are still using a logical fallacy called an argument from silence.

 

[Douggg]

You are still using a logical fallacy called an argument from silence.

You are the one who is bringing up the "New Word Order", not me. Yet you have been silent to show that phrase anywhere in the bible.

 

[Davy]

You are the one who is bringing up the "New Word Order", not me. Yet you have been silent to show that phrase anywhere in the bible.

I'll show you where it is written in God's Word, that's easy...

Rev 13:1
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV


Rev 13:4-9
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV


Rev 17:15
15 And he saith unto me, "The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."
KJV

What, you don't believe the "New World Order" is just another name for that prophesied beast one-world kingdom that Christ warned us about for the end, per His Revelation? What if it is also called by those who are involved by the label "one world government", which they do call it that? Does that make it any less real in relation to the Revelation prophecy? No, of course not.

 

[Douggg]

What, you don't believe the "New World Order" is just another name for that prophesied beast one-world kingdom that Christ warned us about for the end, per His Revelation? What if it is also called by those who are involved by the label "one world government", which they do call it that? Does that make it any less real in relation to the Revelation prophecy? No, of course not.

Davy, I don't see anything in those passages referring to a one-world kingdom, nor one world government.

 

[ewq1938]

You are the one who is bringing up the "New Word Order", not me. Yet you have been silent to show that phrase anywhere in the bible.

That is what the argument from silence is Doug. You are using that fallacy, which is an invalid argument.

 

[Davy]

Davy, I don't see anything in those passages referring to a one-word kingdom, nor one world government.

That's because God has put blindness over you, so that you do not have eyes to see, and ears to hear. What might be the cause of that, heeding men's doctrines instead of listening to God's in His Word maybe?

 

[Douggg]

That's because God has put blindness over you, so that you do not have eyes to see, and ears to hear. What might be the cause of that, heeding men's doctrines instead of listening to God's in His Word maybe?

Just highlight the text of those passages that say new world order or one world government

 

[Davy]

Just highlight the text of those passages that say new world order or one world government

Why don't you highlight those passages below which ARE NOT pointing to a one-world beast kingdom. Folks like you obviously need a hint, so here...

Rev 13:1
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV

Crowns MEANS KINGS. And KINGS means KINGDOMS.


Rev 17:9-13
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
KJV

A KINGDOM means it has a KING over it. And the Rev.13:4-8 Scripture reveals the "dragon" will have power over ALL nations and peoples for 42 months at the end of this world.

Need I show this from the Book of Daniel also? or are you still going to play stupid?

 

[Davy]

There are only the following categories of those who doubt the existence of man's New World Order is what God's Word in Revelation is pointing to about the beast system for the end of this world.

1. those completely deceived about the times we are in today.

2. those deceived who think the beast system of seven heads, ten horns, and ten crowns mentioned in the Book of Revelation is just about a certain person and that's all.

3. those who secretly are working FOR that Revelation beast system that will be over all nations and peoples at the end, with the devil at the head of it.

 

[Douggg]

And the Rev.13:4-8 Scripture reveals the "dragon" will have power over ALL nations and peoples for 42 months at the end of this world.

Revelation 13:7-8 is referring to the beast-king.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Power, yes. But it does not say via a new world order, nor one world government.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 13:7-8 is referring to the beast-king.

No, the ten horned beast in Rev and Daniel 7 is a kingdom. It's king is the little horned person in both books.

 

[Douggg]

No, the ten horned beast in Rev and Daniel 7 is a kingdom. It's king is the little horned person in both books.

The final stage of the little horn's evolution is as the beast-king.

 

[ewq1938]

The final stage of the little horn's evolution is as the beast-king.

There is no such evolution found in any scriptures. It is your own personal creation. The one and only beast king is the false prophet and he is that king from the start. There is no evolution or stages for him to be that king.

 

[Douggg]

There is no such evolution found in any scriptures. It is your own personal creation. The one and only beast king is the false prophet and he is that king from the start. There is no evolution or stages for him to be that king.

The beast-king is not the false prophet.

The beast-king is the mortally wounded but healed head (of the seven heads) of the beast out of the sea. In Revelation 17:10, the seven heads are said to be kings.

The beast-king will be the king of the beast out of the sea kingdom.

 

[onetimer]

Not interested in that Rumble.

The Daniel 12:7 "time, times, and an half" is the SAME period of Dan.7:25 and Dan.8:14, and even Dan.12:1 reveals it is the same timing with the "time of trouble" idea, i.e., Jacob's trouble. The written Bible Scripture is simple enough. No need for non-believing Jewish confusion about it.

Insist all you want. That is why the Truth will remain hidden from you... because you continue to grasp onto your pre-conceived notions, without stepping back and seeing what Daniel 12 is really saying. Even so, I wish you well in your journey with the Lord.

 

[ewq1938]

The beast-king is not the false prophet.

Incorrect. The FP is the king of the beast kingdom.

The beast-king is the mortally wounded but healed head (of the seven heads) of the beast out of the sea.

Nope. The beast king is the king of the 7 headed kingdom, not one of the heads which are mountains. A king is not a mountain.

In Revelation 17:10, the seven heads are said to be kings.

In a bad translation. A correct translation does not say that. The heads all exist at the same time but the 8 consecutive kings do not. That's an easy way to know they cannot be the same things.

The beast-king will be the king of the beast out of the sea kingdom.

Yes he is, and his other name is the false prophet.

 

[Douggg]

In a bad translation. A correct translation does not say that. The heads all exist at the same time but the 8 consecutive kings do not. That's an easy way to know they cannot be the same things.

The 7th king, the little horn person, when he is killed and comes back to life becomes the 8th king. So there are not 8 heads, but 7.

 

[Douggg]

Nope. The beast king is the king of the 7 headed kingdom, not one of the heads which are mountains.

The 7 heads represent both where the woman sits - on seven mountains.

And also 7 kings.