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[ewq1938]

The 7 heads represent both where the woman sits - on seven mountains.

And also 7 kings.

I've already explained how that is impossible.

 

[ewq1938]

The 7th king, the little horn person, when he is killed and comes back to life becomes the 8th king. So there are not 8 heads, but 7.

He will be killed eventually but he does not come back to life. The wounded head is a mountain not a person and no death or resurrection is found in the text anyways.

 

[Douggg]

He will be killed eventually but he does not come back to life. The wounded head is a mountain not a person and no death or resurrection is found in the text anyways.

When king 7 comes, he (a person not a mountain) must continue a short space. The short space is the 42 months that he continues, not as king 7 but as king 8 the beast king.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

[Douggg]

I've already explained how that is impossible.

No, you haven't. The text of Revelation 17:10 says "kings". And the verse uses the pronoun "he" in referring to king 7. Mountains are not a "he".

 

[ewq1938]

No, you haven't.

Yes, I have.

The text of Revelation 17:10 says "kings". And the verse uses the pronoun "he" in referring to king 7. Mountains are not a "he".

YOU are the one claiming the 7 mountains are kings, not me.

 

[Douggg]

YOU are the one claiming the 7 mountains are kings, not me.

No, I cited that the 7 heads represent both 7 mountains where the woman sits (in verse 9) and the 7 heads also represent 7 kings (in verse 10).

Revelation 17:
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

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In Revelation 17, the seven heads (kings) do not have crowns. (verse 3)

In Revelation 12, the seven heads (kings) do have crowns. (verse 3)

In Revelation 13, the seven heads (kings) do not have crowns. (verse 1)

 

[ewq1938]

No, I cited that the 7 heads represent both 7 mountains where the woman sits (in verse 9) and the 7 heads also represent 7 kings (in verse 10).

Why deny it then? You do teach the 7 heads are the 7 kings, but they are not and I explained how your interpretation is impossible. You just deny it but never confront the actual evidence.

Do the 7 heads/mountains exist at the same time?
Do the 7 kings exist at the same time?

Should be easy to answer.

Revelation 17:
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

This is a correct translation that DOES NOT say the 7 heads are also the 7 kings.

 

[Douggg]

This is a correct translation that DOES NOT say the 7 heads are also the 7 kings.

The seven heads in Revelation 12:3 have crowns. Kings have crowns. Mountains do not have crowns.

Revelation 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

 

[ewq1938]

The seven heads in Revelation 12:3 have crowns. Kings have crowns. Mountains do not have crowns.

Mountains can have crowns in symbolic language because the symbolism is heads.

You didn't answer the questions:

Do the 7 heads/mountains exist at the same time?
Do the 7 kings exist at the same time?

 

[Douggg]

Do the 7 heads/mountains exist at the same time?
Do the 7 kings exist at the same time?

The 7 heads as 7 mountains define a location where the woman sits. So, yes, the 7 mountains exist at the same times with each other.

The 7 heads as 7 kings do not exist at the same time with each other.

The 7 kings are:
1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus Caesar
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius
6. Nero
7. the end times little horn person

 

[Douggg]

Mountains can have crowns in symbolic language because the symbolism is heads.

No, mountains do not have crowns. Kings have crowns.

 

[ewq1938]

The 7 heads as 7 mountains define a location where the woman sits. So, yes, the 7 mountains exist at the same times with each other.

The 7 heads as 7 kings do not exist at the same time with each other.

Thank you. So, how exactly can the 7 heads also be the 7 kings? All the heads exist at the same time but none of the 7 kings exist at the same time.

 

[ewq1938]

No, mountains do not have crowns.

It says the heads have crowns. That's the symbolic language. It does not say mountains have crowns because that would be mixing the symbolic language with the literal language.

Symbolic heads having crowns on a symbolic animal does not mean the heads are people. It just means some form of royalty exists in that area of land.

 

[Douggg]

Thank you. So, how exactly can the 7 heads also be the 7 kings? All the heads exist at the same time but none of the 7 kings exist at the same time.

Because it says in Revelation 17:10 regarding the 7 kings represented by the 7 heads that....

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The 7 kings are:
five fallen (dead at the time of John)
1. Julius Caesar
2. Augustus Caesar
3. Tiberius
4. Caligula
5. Claudius

one is (ruling at the time of John)
6. Nero

one not yet come
7. the end times little horn person

 

[ewq1938]

Because it says in Revelation 17:10 regarding the 7 kings represented by the 7 heads that....

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Are 5 of the 7 heads of the Rev beast fallen already?

 

[Douggg]

Are 5 of the 7 heads of the Rev beast fallen already?

5 of the kings had fallen (already died) at the time of John. The 6th king was ruling at the time of John. The 7th king is future of John's time, in the end times.

 

[ewq1938]

5 of the kings had fallen (already died) at the time of John. The 6th king was ruling at the time of John. The 7th king is future of John's time, in the end times.

I did not ask about them.

 

[Douggg]

I did not ask about them.

The text of Revelation 17:10 is referring to the 7 kings.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

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And there are seven kings:

five are fallen,

and one is,

and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 13:7-8 is referring to the beast-king.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Power, yes. But it does not say via a new world order, nor one world government.

Yes, that's the beast king. Daniel 7 has a parallel about him...

Dan 7:24-25
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
KJV

Dan 7:8
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
KJV

Doesn't matter what those behind creating today's New World Order calls it, God's Word is pointing to a "kingdom" system with 11 horns, the ten kings that will come up, and the little horn (beast king) that will come up among them. And that kingdom is being described as covering the whole... earth at the end, because that Daniel 7 prophecy ALSO covers Christ's future coming to END it, which of course places THOSE events in the LAST GENERATION on earth...


Dan 7:8-10
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
KJV