What most of you all are doing is twisting parables and metaphors like tarot cards, desperate to conjure up a doctrine no Apostle ever preached and no early Church ever recognized. You’re not “rightly dividing the Word”, you’re butchering it with a Scofield hatchet.
I don't know a thing about Scofield beyond the fact he put reference notes in his Scofield Bible. I've never read them so I don't have his hatchet.
Jesus never said, “One rapture for the Gentiles, and another for the Jews.”
Jesus ministry was to the Jews, but they would not.
Matthew 24
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Paul never taught, “The Church goes first, and national Israel gets a second shot.”
You're right. National Israel remains on the earth during the one-year wrath of God.
It is the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth who is raptured at the 6th seal. The woman, Israel is in a place of protection.
Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
John never said, “There are two folds because I believe in dispensational charts.”
John never said, There is a Scofield hatchet."
What you’re doing here isn’t Bible exegesis, it’s Voodoo with a cross sticker slapped on it. Cherry-picking verses, ignoring plain context, then inventing prophetic gaps and secret harvests that conveniently prop up your preloaded conclusions. It’s not theology, it’s fan fiction.
What you're doing is completely misunderstanding the Word as you have a blind eye to it and believe the nonsense that has been taught by unbelieving men.
1. Luke 17 – “One of the Days of the Son of Man”
This is not proof of multiple raptures. Jesus is speaking of the longing to see just one of His victorious days while enduring persecution. And yes, His final coming is like lightning, because there is one glorious, visible, climactic return. The days of Noah and Lot are about judgment, not rapture sequencing.
A day of the son of man is when He comes as lightning. One of the days of the son of man, means more than one. And we also have the days of Noah and the days of Lot.
In both cases, the righteous stayed, the wicked were taken in destruction. Jesus says so explicitly. You just don’t like what it says.
You may not understand the unrighteous stayed when it flooded and Noah rose up to the clouds in the ark. But what are you going to do about Lot.
Did Lot stay in Sodom or was Lot taken out of Sodom by an angel.
2. Paul’s “Trump” – One Return, One Resurrection
You cite 1 Thessalonians 4 and 1 Corinthians 15 as if they’re describing two events. No, they’re the same event.
Is the trump of God, which is the voice of God, the same thing as the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.........or in your mind, Is the trump of God the same as a trumpet blown by an angel that brings wrath?
Is the Lord Himself coming for His bride the same as the Lord sending His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth?
The trumpet of God is the last trumpet.
The trumpet of God or voice of God is not the last trumpet. And if it is, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the 7th trumpet blown by an angel. (I'm assuming that you think this is the last trump. If not when does the last trump happen?)
Additionally, there are trumpets blown on the Feast of Trumpets The Feast of Tabernacles will be celebrated after the 7th trumpet blown by an angel.
The dead in Christ rise first—and that’s the resurrection. Not a warm-up act.
Not a warm up act? The alive remain.
Paul even says it happens in a twinkling of an eye at the last trump. Not before the seals. Not in secret. Not in two phases.
Exactly. Thank you for helping prove my point that 1 Thes 4 is not the same as 1 Corinthians 15. 1 Thes 4 happens before the seals are opened. 1 Cor 15 happens at the 6th seal.
It’s one event. One resurrection. One glorious return.
3. John 10 – “Two Folds Become One”
Yes, Jesus has sheep “not of this fold.” Who are they? The Gentiles. And what does He say? They will become one fold, not two harvests.
Not two raptures.
One flock.
One Shepherd.
Sounds like you don't understand what a fold of sheep is. There are TWO FOLDS that become one-fold. And they are harvests. Here is the second harvest that occurs at the 6th seal.
Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
That already happened.
At Pentecost, the Body of Christ became one unified Church made up of Jew and Gentile, slave and free, male and female. If you’re still waiting for that, you’ve missed what Christ already accomplished through the cross.
Has there been a harvest?
4. Romans 11 – “Blindness Until…”
You keep repeating verse 25 like a mantra while ignoring the context:
The elect among Israel have already come in. The rest were hardened.
Maybe you missed this.
Romans 11
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles;
how much more their fulness?
Yes, some Jews will believe, but they’ll be grafted back into one tree, not get their own prophetic subplot. God doesn’t owe national Israel a second redemption arc because they rejected the first one.
You really don't understand what is happening, do you.
The Gentiles are the first harvest. After this harvest part of Israel will have its eyes opened as God turns His attention to the Jews during the last half of the 70th week of Daniel.
You don’t get a “do-over” after crucifying the Son of God and rejecting the Gospel. Stop huffing Scofield paint and calling it prophecy..
Blindness will be removed from part of Israel whether you like it or not.
5. Galatians 3 – One Seed
You tried to dodge the nuclear bomb of Galatians 3:28–29 by spiritualizing it into the next age. No. Paul was writing to living believers, not resurrected immortals.
“You are all ONE in Christ Jesus.”
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
There is no ethnic path to the promise.
Not now.
Not later.
Not ever.
What's there to dodge. There is no Jew nor Greek or male and female after we have new bodies.
It is you that are dodging reality.................is there not currently male or female..............Jew or Greek?
6. Revelation 14 – A Special Rapture?
You’re treating Revelation like a buffet, grabbing random verses and calling them proof of timelines. Revelation 14 is symbolic, not chronological. The 144,000 aren’t a secret “first fruits rapture.” They’re symbolic of purity, sealed by God in contrast to the beast-worshippers.
That’s not a “return of Christ” you found. That’s your imagination mistaking poetry for eschatology.
I got it. The written Word of God is NOT what it says. We can make up anything we want calling it symbolic.
The verses I quoted in Revelation 14 are EXACTLY what the Word of God says they are. The 144,000 are 12,000 from twelve tribes of Israel. They are virgin males and are first fruits of a coming harvest. The harvest is at the end of Revelation 14.
