IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

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David in NJ

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God bless you abundantly. Good night, rest well.

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Love you my Brother in Christ

Far MORE important then myself is Daniel

He is very skinny now and still hurting - some days he is better but the moment he begins exerting physical labor he goes all pain and his heart races and hurts.

We are planning to fly to Montana and spend two weeks away from major cities to see how his health improves when he is far away from the 5G towers.
I have heard of people with serious health problems who became MUCH better once they moved away from the 5G and EMF from cities
 
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The Gospel of Christ

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There are TWO Israels

a.) the ISRAEL Born of GOD = Spiritual Seed of Christ as Prophesied thru Abraham
b.) the Israel of the flesh seed of Abraham

There are not two Israels in covenant with God. Paul makes it clear in Romans 9:6–8 that the children of the flesh are not the children of God. Only the children of the promise—those in Christ—are counted as the true seed. The physical nation was cut off for unbelief. There is one olive tree, not two. The early Church unanimously taught that the Church is the true Israel, fulfilled in Christ. There is no ongoing covenant with those who reject the Son. Without Christ, there is no covenant, no inheritance, and no claim to the name Israel.

No Apostle, no early Church Father and no Christian on Earth believed what you just typed before 1909. Period.
 

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Love you my Brother in Christ

Far MORE important then myself is Daniel

He is very skinny now and still hurting - some days he is better but the moment he begins exerting physical labor he goes all pain and his heart races and hurts.

We are planning to fly to Montana and spend two weeks away from major cities to see how his health improves when he is far away from the 5G towers.
I have heard of people with serious health problems who became MUCH better once they moved away from the 5G and EMF from cities

Oh no… Sorry to hear of Dans Continuing difficulties. I think of him often, and pray for his comfort.
Hope Your planned trip will be very enjoyable and revealing.
Personally I do believe the overload of EMF / 5G is a growing health hazard…and the younger generation will experience negative long term effects.

Please update me after your trip.
 

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Oh, I get it.



Who taught you this nonsense. You need RE-search without the goggles.

It was prophesied and it happened. FACT. You can tell God that it didn't happen if you want. I'm going to believe what is written.

We are talking 1800 years, not a hundred years, not 200 years. God kept a people to himself.




And the blind tell me what they see..........................


You keep repeating slogans, but not one Apostle taught what you’re defending. Not Jesus, not Paul, not John. No early Christian believed in two raptures, a postponed kingdom, or a separate covenant for a nation that rejected the Messiah. The fact that this alone doesn’t stop you cold, is absolutely stunning, and undeniable proof that the veil is real and over your eyes.

Romans 9:6–8
destroys your entire system. “They are not all Israel, who are of Israel... the children of the flesh are not the children of God.” That means unbelieving Jews are not heirs of the promise. You’re clinging to a nation God already cut off and an old covenant that was buried 2,000 years ago.

Galatians 3:29 is final: “If ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed.”
There is no other seed, no other inheritance.

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”
Galatians 3:28 (KJV)

It doesn’t matter who you are—Jew, Greek, rich, poor, slave, free—if you don’t believe in Christ, you’re not chosen, you’re not in the covenant, and you are damned.

Your entire theology was invented in the 1800s. Darby’s “prophecies” were political blueprints and Scofield’s notes were Zionist propaganda from Hell released as footnotes in the Scofield Bible in 1909. The idea of a pre-trib rapture never existed before 1830 — not in any Christian writing, council, or teaching for 1,800 years. Again, how this doesn't give you pause, is absolutely staggering.

You can’t claim to “take the Bible literally” while twisting Christ’s own words in Matthew 24. He said the wicked were taken in judgment—just like in Noah’s day. Noah was left behind. That’s not a metaphor, that’s the context. Clear, literal and repeated.

There is one return of Christ.
One resurrection.
One judgment.
No secret phase, no escape hatch and no second chance.

The early Church taught this with one voice: the Body of Christ is Israel.
Not one Father—Ignatius, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Origen, Cyprian, or Eusebius—would recognize your doctrine as anything but heresy.


You keep calling it prophecy.
But history calls it what it is: a deception.

Scofield rewired your Bible.
Zionism rewrote your faith.
And now you’re defending a Christ-rejecting state over the very Gospel that saves.

That’s not discernment. That’s delusion.

Repent. Before the Ark is sealed.
 

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There are not two Israels in covenant with God. Paul makes it clear in Romans 9:6–8 that the children of the flesh are not the children of God. Only the children of the promise—those in Christ—are counted as the true seed. The physical nation was cut off for unbelief. There is one olive tree, not two. The early Church unanimously taught that the Church is the true Israel, fulfilled in Christ. There is no ongoing covenant with those who reject the Son. Without Christ, there is no covenant, no inheritance, and no claim to the name Israel.

No Apostle, no early Church Father and no Christian on Earth believed what you just typed before 1909. Period.
No Apostle, no early Church Father and no Christian on Earth believed what you just typed before 1909
The Lord JESUS spoke of it in His Gospel

The Apostle Paul made it CLEAR as DAY in Romans, Galatians and Ephesians

The Book of Hebrews directly mentions it