WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

[Exegesis]

proper exegesis is lacking in your study of scripture and you are applying eisegesis to it

There you go again. You can't help yourself can you? Your quote literally added nothing to the discussion except to add more condescension to it. You should work on that.

Jesus came by water and blood from Mary's womb = Hebrews 10:5 and Luke 1:26-38

Where is the word 'water' or 'waters' in those verses?

John 1:14 - The Word became flesh = Mary's womb

The above is referring to conception, which just so happens to have the Holy Ghost involved...

Matthew 1:20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

Word and Spirit combine to create a Living Soul.

And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.

So, amniotic fluid and spirit agree? That does not sound right at all. How does amniotic fluid speak? You know there is a conversation happening within the Trinity right?

Spirit, Water, and Blood are all talking to each other and agreeing with each other. Do you not see it?

You know, there is a very important word that you seem to be ignoring. Look 'again':

John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

John 3:7 "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again."

The verse that @GodsGrace quoted had some very important context included with it. It is about becoming born AGAIN.

You @David in NJ are teaching that we must be reincarnated to see the Kingdom of God. We must die, be born again from amniotic fluid and the womb, then somehow we end up in Heaven.

Do you see the problem? Born vs. Born Again are two different things.

Gnome sayin'?

 

[Exegesis]

OK, look. If you really, I mean REALLY want to know how to solve the riddle, you must understand what 'waters' means in this verse:

Revelation 17:15 "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues."

Is the waters amniotic fluid, or something else?

 

[Hiddenthings]

OK, look. If you really, I mean REALLY want to know how to solve the riddle, you must understand what 'waters' means in this verse:

Is the waters amniotic fluid, or something else?

This describes the universal influence of the whore. To "sit" upon waters, is to exercise power over them. Also see Rev 13:7!

Them?

 

[Truly]

OK, look. If you really, I mean REALLY want to know how to solve the riddle, you must understand what 'waters' means in this verse:



Is the waters amniotic fluid, or something else?

Says the waters are the peoples in that verse

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Says the waters are the peoples in that verse

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Which is why it states in Rev 21 that there will be no more sea = nations.

Those surviving nations are the end of the 1000 year reign will come into the Israel of God.

 

[Exegesis]

This describes the universal influence of the whore. To "sit" upon waters, is to exercise power over them. Also see Rev 13:7!

Them?

Maybe, however she is a mother giving birth, hence the connection to the waters in the OP and being born of it.

How does a mother 'sit' on mountains and conceive all of these people? In what form are these people if waters is symbolic?

How do mountains fit into all of this?

 

[David in NJ]

There you go again. You can't help yourself can you? Your quote literally added nothing to the discussion except to add more condescension to it. You should work on that.

"die to yourself so that Christ can live thru you" = eisegesis is a word and not a insult
We can communicate as commanded by the LORD Jesus Christ without throwing rocks

eisegesis

noun​

1. An interpretation, especially of Scripture, that reflects the personal ideas or viewpoint of the interpreter; reading something into a text that isn't there. Compare exegesis.
2. Personal interpretation of a text (especially of the Bible) using your own ideas.

Where is the word 'water' or 'waters' in those verses?

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.

A human body is made up of 70% WATER
Genesis 1:2 the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters.
“How can this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”
The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you.

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again(2x).’ The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

1st Birth = born of water
2nd Birth = born of Spirit
Do you see the TRUTH? = "Born vs. Born Again are two different things." = JESUS Says YES = you must be Born AGAIN

Spirit, Water, and Blood are all talking to each other and agreeing with each other. Do you not see it?

YES i SEE and it is all thru the NT Scriptures

SPIRIT = God is SPIRIT
Water = Spirit of God hovers over the waters = "the waters are peoples covering the earth" = "made in the image of GOD"
Blood = "the LIFE is in the Blood" = "GOD has made from one blood all peoples tongues and nations"

PLEASE review John 3:1-10

SHALOM in CHRIST and i DO NOT believe nor promote the error of reincarnation

 

[Hiddenthings]

Maybe, however she is a mother giving birth, hence the connection to the waters in the OP and being born of it.

How does a mother 'sit' on mountains and conceive all of these people? In what form are these people if waters is symbolic?

How do mountains fit into all of this?

 

[Taken]

This is John 3:5 NASB
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless * one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot * enter into the kingdom of God.

WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

“OF” / “AND”… appear to a be challenge to put in context…

Regarding the “CONTEXT”…
BIRTH … of / “ON” Earth
RE-BIRTH…of / “IN-to” Heaven

I believe the “CONTEXT”, the WATER, is “medically” called ammoniac fluid / layman term water.

God CREATED manKIND… Reveals His CREATION…and (then) MADE / MAKES manKIND have particular “LIFE” forms.

The man was CREATED out of / from the Earth.
The Earth is Dry Land.
The Earth was brought forth out FROM Water.
Earth (dry land) is full of minerals / metals.
Earth is surrounded by Water.
Water permeates the inner Earth.

ManKind is sustained/ natural life, by, through, of minerals/ metals, contained in mans Food sources (herbs, plants, animals).

ManKinds, body (natural life), developing stage, is surrounded by water.
ManKinds, developed stage, is permeated with Water.
ManKinds, Revealed stage, Natural BIRTH is “parallel” to the Earth, coming forth from out of “Water”.

I believe Jesus’ Statement in John 3:5, is expressly in regard to establishing “a Required Condition”…
Regarding:
A specific BIRTH Required…
Before a “RE-BIRTH” shall Be “allowed/ performed / MADE / effected, By the Power of God”…
And “exclusively” BY the “condition” (Order / Way “OF” God) “Shall a ( human OR a so “called human” ) manKind of Being, Be given “the SEED of God”… by God, to effect Gods (Order and Way) for that “individual”… to ultimately BE Allowed to Enter Gods Kingdom.

From the Beginning of manKind…men have made discoveries…wowed their generations…used their discoveries for good and evil.
We are in a fast paced generation of technological discoveries… daily experiencing the “wows”…along with the “good and evils” of such discoveries.
Perhaps… As:
Good “wows” AND Evil “woes”??

So… we have experiments past, experiments in effect, in works…
Cloning, egg freezing, etc. AND technology to MAKE “human appearing machines…” that can fool the human eye.
Will these FAKE humans, blend into society, unknown, they are machines?
Will these FAKE humans, marry, “have” a family unit of “revealed “offsprings”?
Will these FAKE humans, be “CLERICS”, preaching their (perhaps good OR evil) pre- programed Scriptures”?

Are such a FAKE humans a possibility?
I say yes.

Will these FAKE humans…reproduce an offspring “Naturally born of Water”?
I say no.

Will such “FAKE” humans, be Allowed to enter, Gods Kingdom?
No.

Just sharing another possibility that may come to pass and warning.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Truly]

Which is why it states in Rev 21 that there will be no more sea = nations.

Those surviving nations are the end of the 1000 year reign will come into the Israel of God.

I can't really say for sure Hiddenthings, eschatology is not one of those places I am strong in. All I know is that some comparisons seem to work better than others, but I cannot say I am convinced because there is a burning mountain that is cast into the Sea, there is being baptized into the Sea, and there is casting all their sins into the sea, so its not always consistently showing the sea as a people as far as I can tell.

Comparing this way for example

Micah 7:19 He will turn again, he will have compassion upon us; he will subdue our iniquities; and thou wilt cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

And then "no more sea" here makes a little sense too

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

No more sea and remembering their iniquities no more as well

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Whereas here to the contrary speaking of this woman it says,

Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

When you say, No more sea = No more nations in Rev 21:1 might be a little difficult for me to catch because a few verses down from there it continues

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

See what I mean?

 

[Hepzibah]

I tend to go with either natural birth or baptismal water.
Either can seem correct to me.

I don't think it is natural birth.

If we look at who Nicodemus was, Ruler, Teacher, Rabbi a member of the Sanhedrin the Jewish religious court, he was not only a Pharisee. He saw the miracles Jesus did. He clearly acknowledged Jesus was from God.

Was his view like other Pharisees who constantly found fault with Jesus, trying to trip Him up. So Nicodemus was of a different kind, but notice he said:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, WE know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

So who was the WE? The WE who believed that God was with this Jesus and not the devil incarnate.

It seems to me that he was indicating that there were a group who were secretly accepting what Jesus was saying, stuck in an awkward place, sending one of the group to make themselves known. Believers in fact.

Jesus told him that 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit, showing that they are separate and cannot be mixed.

So an earthly birth cannot be in the same class as a spiritual birth, and born again means the same birth once again, which Nick asked about.

To be born again means the likewise birth repeated - born once more. A spiritual birthing which brings in the early rain spoken of recently here. The birth from the 'washing' of the Word, the first stage of the believers life, if he goes on to perfection that is.

I think that Nicodemus was already a believer and Jesus told him that another work of the Spirit was needed for him to be born again and saved. A carnal believer changed to a holy saint.

In fact he was according to the early church who to this day have a feast day for him.

 

[Exegesis]

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Bummer response. Sowing division and hatred is not what the Bible teaches us to do.

I find it very revealing that the image posted has to 'correct' the verse for us... lol.

Sometimes a woman in the Bible is a woman.

 

[Exegesis]

Water = Spirit of God hovers over the waters = "the waters are peoples covering the earth" = "made in the image of GOD"

This will be my last attempt @David in NJ:

Strong's Hebrew: 4325. מָ֫יִם (mayim) -- Water

I have presented enough facts. It is up to you to accept what that word symbolically means.

I have highlighted the meaning that best fits what @GodsGrace is seeking.

 

[David in NJ]

This will be my last attempt @David in NJ:
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Strong's Hebrew: 4325. מָ֫יִם (mayim) -- Water

I have presented enough facts. It is up to you to accept what that word symbolically means.

I have highlighted the meaning that best fits what @GodsGrace is seeking.

i was HOPING and PRAYING you would post this = Thank You

Here now is the TRUTH of how the MESSIAH was born and it was not the seed of man/Male.

So the Lord God said to the serpent:

“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

Now it is in your court to accept the TRUTH or to deny JESUS words in John 3:1-10

@GodsGrace

 

[David in NJ]

@GodsGrace @Exegesis

Look and SEE and BELIEVE the TRUTH from John 3:1-10 and from Genesis 3:15

unless
ἐὰν (ean)
Conjunction
Strong's Greek 1437: If. From ei and an; a conditional particle; in case that, provided, etc.

μή (mē)
Adverb
Strong's Greek 3361: Not, lest. A primary particle of qualified negation; not, lest; also (whereas ou expects an affirmative one) whether.

he is born
γεννηθῇ (gennēthē)
Verb - Aorist Subjunctive Passive - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 1080: From a variation of genos; to procreate; figuratively, to regenerate.

of
ἐξ (ex)
Preposition
Strong's Greek 1537: From out, out from among, from, suggesting from the interior outwards. A primary preposition denoting origin, from, out.

water
ὕδατος (hydatos) = this is where we get the word 'hydration' = literal WATER
Noun - Genitive Neuter Singular
Strong's Greek 5204: Water. And genitive case, hudatos, etc. From the base of huetos; water literally or figuratively.

 

[David in NJ]

I don't think it is natural birth.

If we look at who Nicodemus was, Ruler, Teacher, Rabbi a member of the Sanhedrin the Jewish religious court, he was not only a Pharisee. He saw the miracles Jesus did. He clearly acknowledged Jesus was from God.

Was his view like other Pharisees who constantly found fault with Jesus, trying to trip Him up. So Nicodemus was of a different kind, but notice he said:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, WE know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

So who was the WE? The WE who believed that God was with this Jesus and not the devil incarnate.

It seems to me that he was indicating that there were a group who were secretly accepting what Jesus was saying, stuck in an awkward place, sending one of the group to make themselves known. Believers in fact.

Jesus told him that 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit, showing that they are separate and cannot be mixed.

So an earthly birth cannot be in the same class as a spiritual birth, and born again means the same birth once again, which Nick asked about.

To be born again means the likewise birth repeated - born once more. A spiritual birthing which brings in the early rain spoken of recently here. The birth from the 'washing' of the Word, the first stage of the believers life, if he goes on to perfection that is.

I think that Nicodemus was already a believer and Jesus told him that another work of the Spirit was needed for him to be born again and saved. A carnal believer changed to a holy saint.

In fact he was according to the early church who to this day have a feast day for him.

SEE Posts 107 & 115

Without a natural birth you could NEVER be Born a SECOND time by the SPIRIT

 

[Hepzibah]

SEE Posts 107 & 115

Without a natural birth you could NEVER be Born a SECOND time by the SPIRIT

Jesus made it clear He was not talking about physical birth. That is a given.

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus made it clear He was not talking about physical birth. That is a given.

#1 - JESUS made it CLEAR that you MUST first be born of natural birth = WATER
#2 - BEFORE you can be Born-Again = by the SPIRIT

Born-Again literally means: Born a Second Time

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh = womb/WATER, mankind
and that which is born of the Spirit = is spirit.

Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ = Second Birth
The wind(symbolic of Spirit) blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes.
So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

JESUS came into this world being born thru Mary's womb = water and blood

 

[Hepzibah]

#1 - JESUS made it CLEAR that you MUST first be born of natural birth = WATER
#2 - BEFORE you can be Born-Again = by the SPIRIT

Born-Again literally means: Born a Second Time

Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh = womb/WATER, mankind
and that which is born of the Spirit = is spirit.

Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ = Second Birth
The wind(symbolic off Spirit) blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes.
So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

JESUS came into this world being born thru Mary's womb = water and blood

My 50 years as a Protestant taught me that but I no longer believe it.

 

[Truly]

This will be my last attempt @David in NJ:
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Strong's Hebrew: 4325. מָ֫יִם (mayim) -- Water

I have presented enough facts. It is up to you to accept what that word symbolically means.

I have highlighted the meaning that best fits what @GodsGrace is seeking.

You lost me here, if Jesus came by water and blood and you are pointing out semen under water there, how can this even apply?

Unless I missing something