THE GOSPEL

[RenewedStrength316]

They are a new creature but they may not walk in the Spirit and obey commands
God is not mocked they will experience loss of reward and consequences now

Doug,
That is not Paul. That is not the cross. That is not the Spirit. That is a delusion dressed in doctrine.

> “They are a new creature but…”
No.
There is no “but.”



> “If any man be in Christ, he IS a new creature.”
— 2 Corinthians 5:17



Not might be.
Not could be if they obey.
Not in status only but not in practice.

The cross doesn’t do partial work. The blood doesn’t create hypothetical sons.
Salvation is transformation. The old man dies. The new man rises.


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If someone never walks in the Spirit, never bears fruit, never obeys…
then they were never born again. Full stop.

> “You will know them by their fruits.” — Matthew 7:16
“Whoever does not bear his cross… cannot be My disciple.” — Luke 14:27
“If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.” — Romans 8:9



Doug, your version of salvation lets dead men stay dead and calls it grace.
That’s not the gospel. That’s poison.


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Paul didn’t say salvation was “status with no change.”
He said:

> “I am crucified with Christ… Christ lives in me.” — Gal. 2:20
“They that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh…” — Gal. 5:24
“Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.” — Phil. 2:12



You don’t become a new creature by performance. But if you never become one, it proves you were never saved.


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God is not mocked.

You think “loss of reward” is the danger?
I’m telling you loss of your soul is what’s at stake.

Because Jesus said:

> “Unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” — John 3:3



And there is no fine print after that.

 

[Doug]

Doug, you treat Ezekiel like it’s off-limits. But Peter didn’t. On the day of Pentecost, Peter said:

> “This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel...” — Acts 2:16
And what did Joel say?
“I will pour out My Spirit upon all flesh...” — Joel 2:28
So was that only for Israel too?

I didnt say its off limits I say you cant apply it to us
Ezekiel speaks of a new covenant for Israel in which they will be caused to keep his law

Pentecost was Israel receiving the Spirit and was the fulfilling of Joel for Israel NOT US.....they were to be heading into the tribulation and day of the Lord which was postponed by this dispensation

 

[RenewedStrength316]

I didnt say its off limits I say you cant apply it to us
Ezekiel speaks of a new covenant for Israel in which they will be caused to keep his law

Pentecost was Israel receiving the Spirit and was the fulfilling of Joel for Israel NOT US.....they were to be heading into the tribulation and day of the Lord which was postponed by this dispensation

Doug, you wield dispensational divisions like a shield to deflect the Spirit’s sword, but you cannot cage the living God with your fence of theology. Ezekiel’s promise of a new heart and a new spirit is not Israel-exclusive property; it’s the very heartbeat of the gospel—a gospel that breaks every chain, shatters every altar of dead religion, and raises the dead to life.

Peter’s Pentecost wasn’t a mere ethnic footnote—it was the birth of the New Creation. Joel’s prophecy was not postponed or paused; it exploded forth as the Spirit flooded Jew and Gentile alike. Acts 10 shows the Spirit poured out on Gentiles—not to some far-off future, but then—because God does not play favorites or delay salvation.

To say the Spirit’s work is “only for Israel” is to paint God as a liar and the gospel as powerless. It is to deny the very blood that sanctifies us, the very Spirit that seals us, the very fire that burns out the old man and lights the way forward.

If you limit the Spirit’s work to an ethnic Israelite timeline, you deny the gospel’s power to crucify the flesh and resurrect new life in every believer. That is no gospel—it is religion disguised as truth, a counterfeit that saves no one but fools many.

The Word is sharper than any two-edged sword; it pierces, convicts, and transforms across every dispensation. The Spirit is the same yesterday, today, and forever. No theological maze can lock Him out of a repentant heart.

Stop hiding behind dispensational lines to excuse a powerless gospel. Repent and tremble before the holy fire that consumes all who refuse to be made new.

God’s covenant is never bound by your borders or calendars—it is alive, active, and burning right now in the hearts of those who will receive it.

Until you bow to that fire, your gospel remains a dead religion.

 

[Doug]

> > “A new heart will I give you...” — and He’s already given it to every blood-washed believer. Not because we claim Israel’s land, but because we’re grafted into Israel’s promise (Romans 11:17).

[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

We arent grafted into Israel.....the Gentiles as in Acts 10:45 who believed Peter and were placed into the believing remnant of Israel and would enter the earthly kingsom

 

[Doug]

Don’t tell me the cross of Christ can’t reach back into the prophets and make their words blaze with power.

Please give me a verse where they say that by the cross all are redeemed not just Israel

 

[RenewedStrength316]

[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

We arent grafted into Israel.....the Gentiles as in Acts 10:45 who believed Peter and were placed into the believing remnant of Israel and would enter the earthly kingsom

Doug, you’re slicing the Word of God like a butcher—dividing what God has joined together. You’ve turned covenant into compartments, promises into puzzles, and Christ’s body into fragments. That’s not rightly dividing—that’s violently severing.

> “That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel.” — Ephesians 3:6



Fellowheirs. Same body. Same promise.
Not second-class. Not a remnant within a remnant.
This isn’t about replacing Israel—it’s about being joined with the people of God through the blood of the Lamb.

You say we’re not grafted into Israel—but Paul says otherwise:

> “Thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them…” — Romans 11:17
Not next to them. Not a separate tree. Among them.
Partaking of the root—the same covenantal root that nourished Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.



You talk like the covenant promises of Ezekiel and Joel have expiration dates on them—only valid for ancient Israelites and future Trib saints. But God doesn’t give His Spirit to corpses. He gives it to new creations. And I’ve got the Spirit—so either you’re wrong, or I’m not saved.

You can cling to your charts and dispensations—but I’ll cling to the cross, where every wall came down.

> “He has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of partition...” — Ephesians 2:14



Doug, this isn’t about timelines and technicalities.
This is about whether or not you’re truly in Christ.

Because if you are, then you’re a son of Abraham.
And if not—no doctrine will save you.

> “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29



You can’t box in the blood of Jesus.
You can’t bury the promises of God.

He didn’t die to create two flocks with two salvations and two gospels.
He died to make one Body, one Bride, one Spirit, one Hope, one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism. (Eph. 4:4–5)

So if the Spirit that raised Christ lives in me, and I’ve been made a new creature—then Ezekiel wasn’t off-limits.

It was fulfilled. In me. In us. In the true Church.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Please give me a verse where they say that by the cross all are redeemed not just Israel

Doug, you want a verse?

Here’s three—and they shatter your wall between Israel and the rest of us:

> “And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself... whether things in earth or things in heaven.” — Colossians 1:20



That’s not just Israel. That’s all things.


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> “And that He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby.” — Ephesians 2:16



Both. Jew and Gentile. One body. By the cross.
Not covenants. Not calendars. Not ethnic ties.
The cross did it.


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> “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek... for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” — Romans 10:12–13



No difference.
If there's no difference, then there’s no divided gospel.


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You keep asking if the prophets say this? Paul already told you:

> “To Him give all the prophets witness, that through His name whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.” — Acts 10:43



All. The. Prophets.
Peter said that before Paul ever met him in Acts 15.
So unless you want to accuse Peter of preaching “the wrong gospel,” you need to repent of this two-gospel heresy.


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Doug, don’t tell me the cross can’t ignite the prophets.
The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world (Rev. 13:8).
The blood was always the plan.
The Gentiles were always the target (Isa. 49:6).

If your theology can’t see the cross in Genesis, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Psalms…
Then your gospel isn’t too advanced—
It’s too blind.

> “Open thou mine eyes, that I may behold wondrous things out of thy law.” — Psalm 119:18



I pray God opens yours.
Before it’s too late.

 

[Doug]

> Paul preached from the Law and the Prophets:

> “But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets.” — Romans 3:21
“Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures...” — 1 Corinthians 15:3

the law and prophets said the just will live by faith without the law

The prophets said Christ would die for transgressions......[Isa 53:5, 8 KJV] 5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. ... 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
This was only said of Israel's sins but Paul revealed it was for all

 

[RenewedStrength316]

the law and prophets said the just will live by faith without the law

The prophets said Christ would die for transgressions......[Isa 53:5, 8 KJV] 5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. ... 8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
This was only said of Israel's sins but Paul revealed it was for all

Doug, you twist Isaiah 53—the suffering servant who bore the sins of Israel’s people—and try to fence it off as if the gospel doesn’t shout louder for all nations. Paul didn’t invent a new gospel out of thin air; he unveiled the full scope of the Scriptures, the law, and the prophets.

> “The righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets...” — Romans 3:21



Paul declares clearly: the gospel is the fulfillment and revelation of what the law and prophets pointed to. The cross isn’t just Israel’s story—it’s God’s plan for every lost, condemned sinner.

> “Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures...” — 1 Corinthians 15:3



This “our” is no tribal, limited “Israel only” phrase. It is the wide net cast to the ends of the earth.

> “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” — 2 Corinthians 5:21



You cage Christ in the Old Covenant shadows when the New Testament shouts His open arms to all nations. To fence the blood of Jesus inside Israel’s borders is to deny the power of the cross and crucify the Son of God anew.

> “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:28



Paul’s gospel is not a “mystery” for insiders only—it is the gospel of grace, breaking down every wall, calling out rebels from every tribe and tongue.

If you cannot see that, then you have not truly looked at the cross or understood the breadth of God’s mercy.

> “For God so loved the world…” — John 3:16



Don’t trap the gospel in a box your pride built. It is bigger than any man’s tradition or dispensation.

The cross is for all, the Spirit is poured out on all flesh, and salvation runs like a river to every nation that calls on His name.

You either stand with the full gospel or you stand against the gospel—and on that day, there will be no neutral ground.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Doug, I hear your attempt to limit the gospel to Israel like a man clutching chains in a burning house. But your chains are forged in misunderstanding and hardened tradition—and they will not save you.

Paul’s gospel is not a patchwork of half-truths cobbled from Old Testament fragments. It is the full, eternal, unstoppable gospel of Jesus Christ, crucified and risen, who shattered the dividing wall of hostility.

> “He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier...” — Ephesians 2:14



You say Paul’s gospel was “given after Jesus returned to Heaven” as if it’s some secret club. No, Paul’s gospel is the unveiling of the eternal plan hidden in plain sight from Genesis to Revelation.

> “Known unto God are all His works from the beginning of the world.” — Acts 15:18



Paul didn’t preach a gospel separate from the law and prophets—he revealed their true meaning in the cross and resurrection.

To cage salvation inside the boundaries of flesh and ethnicity is to mock the blood that flowed for every sinner.

> “If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away...” — 2 Corinthians 5:17



Your gospel cuts off the new creation before it begins—but the gospel is fire and sword, and it consumes the old man utterly.

You wield Scripture like a weapon to defend a throne of pride, but the Spirit is breaking through your defenses. Your words grow sharper but your heart grows harder—repent, or prepare for judgment.

> “For if the trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?” — 1 Corinthians 14:8



This battle is real. The gospel is not a game of semantics or religious chess. It is life and death, heaven and hell.

Stand with the gospel in its fullness, or be swept away by the flood of His righteous judgment.

 

[Doug]

You keep retreating behind dispensational lines as if they shield you from the heart of the gospel. But the truth is this: Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith, declared that no one can see or enter the kingdom of God without being born again (John 3:3). That’s not Israel-only doctrine. That’s eternal, unchanging truth.

Sorry you can think what you want but he is talking about the earthly prophetic kingdom promised to believing Israel

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Sorry you can think what you want but he is talking about the earthly prophetic kingdom promised to believing Israel

You keep trying to cage the gospel inside the walls of earthly kingdoms and dispensational boxes, but the kingdom Jesus talks about isn’t some temporary political arrangement—it’s the eternal, spiritual reign of God over hearts transformed by His Spirit. Born again isn’t a suggestion for Israel; it’s the only way to see the invisible, eternal kingdom (John 3:3).

This kingdom is not of this world—it transcends time, tribes, and nations. If your gospel can’t raise a sinner into that new kingdom life, then it’s not the gospel of Christ—it’s a cheap imitation.

> “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” — John 3:3

 

[Doug]

Paul didn’t invent a new gospel; he revealed the fullness of what Jesus began.

Yes Paul manifested all that Christ did on the cross
What was revealed was that Christ didnt die and shed blood for just the many (Israel) in Matthew 26:28 but for all in 1 Timothy 2:6

 

[Doug]

You say belief gives eternal life—and it does. But if that belief doesn’t produce a new birth, a new nature, and a new allegiance, then it was never saving faith.

do you have a verse for this

 

[Doug]

Paul didn’t preach a gospel that left men unchanged.

> “If we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him… Reckon yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God.” — Romans 6:8–11

thats right but this awareness and exhortation follows salvation

 

[RenewedStrength316]

Yes Paul manifested all that Christ did on the cross
What was revealed was that Christ didnt die and shed blood for just the many (Israel) in Matthew 26:28 but for all in 1 Timothy 2:6

Exactly. So stop dividing the cross like it had two missions. The blood that was shed in Matthew 26 is the same blood declared in 1 Timothy 2. Paul didn’t create a second gospel—he unveiled the mystery of the first.

> “This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” — Matthew 26:28
“Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” — 1 Timothy 2:6



That’s not two gospels. That’s one gospel revealed in layers: first to Israel, then to the nations, just as God promised Abraham:

> “In you shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.” — Genesis 22:18



The gospel is not Israel’s possession to hoard. It’s God’s glory to give.

Christ is not a divided Savior. And we are not divided sons.

> “There is one body, and one Spirit... one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” — Ephesians 4:4–5



You say Paul "manifested all Christ did"?
Then stop treating him like a different Christ.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

do you have a verse for this

Yes. I do.

> “If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” — 2 Corinthians 5:17



That’s not optional. That’s not “bonus doctrine.” That’s the evidence of salvation.

> “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” — John 3:6–7



Jesus didn’t say, “It would be nice if you were born again.”
He said, you must.

> “As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” — James 2:26



You want a verse? Take these three and let them cut clean through the lie that salvation is just mental agreement.

If your “faith” doesn’t produce a resurrection—
then you’re still in the grave.

 

[RenewedStrength316]

thats right but this awareness and exhortation follows salvation

Then your gospel is a house built on sand, for it misses the rock of repentance that breaks the old man before salvation can even take root.

> “Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out.” — Acts 3:19



Salvation is not a reward for comfort or intellectual assent. It’s a total shattering and uprooting of the old self, followed by resurrection in newness of life. If repentance only “follows” salvation in your scheme, then you’ve turned grace into a license to remain dead in sin.

Paul’s gospel demands death first—a reckoning with sin that slays the proud heart before it raises the redeemed.

> “I die daily.” — 1 Corinthians 15:31



You can’t separate salvation from this deadly surrender without denying the gospel itself.

 

[Doug]

Yes, grace is all mercy. Yes, we contribute nothing. But grace does not leave a man as it found him.

[Tit 2:11-12 KJV] 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Right

 

[RenewedStrength316]

[Tit 2:11-12 KJV] 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Right

Exactly. Grace doesn’t just pardon—it transforms. It breaks the chains of sin and raises the dead to new life. Titus 2:11-12 is no mere suggestion; it’s the fruit of salvation, the unmistakable evidence that grace is alive and active in the believer. To deny that is to call grace powerless—and that’s a lie straight from hell. Grace saves, yes—but grace changes. It demands holiness because God is holy, and His mercy never leaves a man unchanged.