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1 Corinthians 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Paul is a minister of Christ and steward, or manager, of the mysteries. Paul states there are multiple mysteries.

Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
3:4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Paul conveys that a dispensation of God is committed to him. The mystery is revealed in this dispensation to Paul. The mystery was revealed to Paul by Christ.

The mysteries are unsearchable, in that, they were not to be found in the law and prophets.

We are to have fellowship, or communion, in the mystery. We are to have, knowledge, unity, and be of one mind in the mystery.

The mystery will reveal, by the church, the wisdom of God.

A mystery is wisdom that is not made known in the past, but is now revealed.

God, according to Paul's gospel, and the preaching of Christ, according to the mystery, and by the scriptures, will stablish, or strengthen, the church (Romans 16:25).

The mystery reveals a postponement in the fulfillment of the prophetic Kingdom on earth, promised to the Israel of God, by the dispensation of Grace. Blindness, in part, has happened to Israel; salvation would go to the Gentiles until their fulness (Romans 11:25 11). There would still be a believing remnant (Romans 11:5). All Israel, all believing Israel that is, will be saved (Romans 11:26). The Kingdom will come with Christ on the throne (Psalm 45:6).

The mystery reveals being caught up to meet the Lord (1 Corinthians 15:51).

The mystery reveals the will of God, by which, He will gather together in one all things in Christ (Ephesians 1:9 1:10).

The mystery revealed that the Gentiles are heirs with Christ (Galatians 3:29); revealed is the Gentiles are fellowheirs with Christ in the body of Christ (the church) by the gospel of Grace (Ephesians 3:6). Revealed among the Gentiles is Christ in you, the hope of glory (Colossians 1:27).

The mystery of the body of Christ, the church, is revealed (1 Corinthians 12:27). Revealed is that the members of the church are one with Christ; this is exemplified by marriage (Ephesians 5:32). Revealed is that there is now neither Jew or Gentile, all are one in Christ (Galatians 3:28).

The mystery of the gospel is revealed, which reveals all can be saved to eternal life freely thru faith in Christ, and His propitiation for us (Ephesians 6:19). This gospel reveals all the blessings the church has, provided in Christ, and the dispensation of Grace (Romans 15:29).

The mystery of God ( which was not a mystery revealed by Paul, but was by the prophets ) reveals the prophetic Kingdom on the earth promised to the Israel of God and declared by the prophets (Colossians 2:2 Revelation 10:7). Revealed was the salvation in Christ, and His coming reign over that Kingdom (Isiah9:7). It reveals that God will be all in all (1 Corinthians 15:28).

The mystery of the Father is His purpose to reconcile heaven and earth to Himself, to bring salvation to the world (Colossians 1:20). Revealed is the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh (2 Corinthians 4:6). The means of the Father's salvation would be revealed in the progressive revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ, and His redemption. (Matthew 25:34 Ephesians 1:7)

The mystery of Christ which reveals all that Christ accomplished by His cross. (Colossians 4:3 1 Corinthians 1:18)

The mystery of iniquity reveals that man of sin is being restrained. The mystery reveals the present and future distress they face and encourages them to stand fast and know the greater glory to come. (2 Thessalonians 2:7 Romans 8:18)

The mystery of the faith is the salvation by faith in Jesus Christ. Revealed is that salvation to eternal life is not by the law, nor by works. Salvation is given freely, apart from Israel, apart from covenants. (1 Timothy 3:9 Romans 3:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 1:17)

The mystery of godliness is that the life of Christ is manifested in the flesh by the church. (1 Timothy 3:16 2 Corinthians 4:11)
 

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3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Apostle Paul is 'humble' enough to say, He's not the only one who's given and held these mysteries.

Apparently, the mysteries are written from the Gospel according to Matthew to the Revelation according to John.

Ephesians 2:
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief corner stone;
21. In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an Holy Temple in the Lord:


Paul is very much a fellow servant with them, individually were given and who proclaimed these mysteries.

These mysteries are distributed among them by the Holy Ghost to make up a 'foundation'.

Where the church who are 'hears' and likewise 'doers', build their house on in faith.

In them i don't witness there's certain Gospel for the Jews and certain Gospel for the Gentiles.

Shalom in the name of Adonai Yeshua
 

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Apparently, the mysteries are written from the Gospel according to Matthew to the Revelation according to John.
As far as I know only the mystery of God would be
 

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As far as I know only the mystery of God would be
So, the mysteries of GOD was not given to Paul alone, but to all the Prophets in the Old Testament, and to all the Apostles in the New Testament as well.

Thank you.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
 
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So, the mysteries of GOD was not given to Paul alone, but to all the Prophets in the Old Testament, and to all the Apostles in the New Testament as well.

Thank you.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Paul wanted the church to be enriched by understanding the mystery of God......he didnt say it was revealed to him and in fact couldn't be because it was in the prophets............[Rev 10:7 KJV] 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets...............I included it because Paul wrote of it...........the mysteries revealed to Paul were hidden and not found in the prophets

Only Paul received direct revelation of the mysteries from Christ.............the other apostles received it but not directly by Christ
 

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Only Paul received direct revelation of the mysteries from Christ.............the other apostles received it but not directly by Christ
This is 'false' witnessing.


John 14:
20. At that day ye shall know that I am in the FATHER, and ye in Me, and I in you.


23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My FATHER will love him, and we will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.

John 15:
26. But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the FATHER, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the FATHER, He shall testify of Me:
27. And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with Me from the beginning.


John 16:
13. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.

14. He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15. All things that the FATHER hath are Mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Apparently, all the Apostles 'equally' received direct Gospel revelation, even to the mysteries, from Christ Himself.


Next, how did John receive the mystery script to the book of Revelation, wasn't it a direct revelation from Christ Himself in Heaven?

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This is 'false' witnessing.


John 14:
20. At that day ye shall know that I am in the FATHER, and ye in Me, and I in you.

23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My FATHER will love him, and we will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.


John 15:
26. But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the FATHER, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the FATHER, He shall testify of Me:
27. And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with Me from the beginning.


John 16:
13. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.

14. He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15. All things that the FATHER hath are Mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of Mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Apparently, all the Apostles 'equally' received direct Gospel revelation, even to the mysteries, from Christ Himself.


Next, how did John receive the mystery script to the book of Revelation, wasn't it a direct revelation from Christ Himself in Heaven?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
Yes Peter was given revelation in Acts 10:10 .......I never contested that...........the verses you gave do not exhibit the apostles being given the mysteries that Paul was given......the mysteries given Paul are in the post....they were not made known to the twelve apostles by Christ during his ministry..........they were not revealed before Paul..........[Col 1:26 KJV] 26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
 

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Yes Peter was given revelation in Acts 10:10 .......I never contested that...........the verses you gave do not exhibit the apostles being given the mysteries that Paul was given......the mysteries given Paul are in the post....they were not made known to the twelve apostles by Christ during his ministry..........they were not revealed before Paul..........[Col 1:26 KJV] 26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
i disagree, what i've been given to witness is sufficient to justify Paul is not the only one given the mysteries of the Kingdom of GOD.

All the Apostles prior to even before Paul became a believer, scripturally they too received direct revelation and mysteries from Christ.

Scripturally Christ Himself was in them through the Holy Ghost who speak not of Himself, but only all of Christ to them.

Will leave you with what you believe, for what of mine have not found room in your heart.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
 

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Paul wanted the church to be enriched by understanding the mystery of God......he didnt say it was revealed to him and in fact couldn't be because it was in the prophets............[Rev 10:7 KJV] 7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets...............I included it because Paul wrote of it...........the mysteries revealed to Paul were hidden and not found in the prophets

Only Paul received direct revelation of the mysteries from Christ.............the other apostles received it but not directly by Christ
can you tell me what these mysteries are Doug? can you list them for me please. it always eluded me as of what there were exactly. thank you.
 

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Paul, speaks of "us" plural as far as those who are stewards of the mysteries of God here

1Cr 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Jesus also speaks of "them" plurally here as well

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
 
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Yes Peter was given revelation in Acts 10:10 .......I never contested that...........the verses you gave do not exhibit the apostles being given the mysteries that Paul was given......the mysteries given Paul are in the post....they were not made known to the twelve apostles by Christ during his ministry..........they were not revealed before Paul..........[Col 1:26 KJV] 26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Matthew 13:
11. He answered and said unto them,
Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given.

The same i could testify scripturally, the mysteries of the Kingdom known to the 12 were not revealed to Paul as well.

Before Saul's conversion to Paul way later, the churches were already disciple by the mysteries of the Kingdom given and held by the 12.

Paul's later given and held mysteries of the Kingdom, is an 'addition' coherence to the 12 given and held origin since the beginning

Even to the final revelational mysteries of the Kingdom given and held by Apostle John, not revealed to Paul, became the 'final addition' completing the New Testament in context.

So neither we're Jews or Gentiles but are one in Christ Jesus' church, are built on the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner Stone. (Ephesians 2:20)

Not specifically on Paul's Gospel, unlike you bewitched Pauline believers doing it on your own false account and in his absent.

When Paul cautions the church that they are accountable to 'his Gospel' preached to them, is to the 'addition' given and held by him.

Nevertheless, the same church too are accountable to the Gospel 'origin' preached and disciple by the 12 in the beginning, way before Paul, in context. (Matthew 28:19&20)


In our age of faith having the Holy Bible in context at hand, we're accountable to the New Testament of Jesus Christ. (2Timothy3:16&17)

The Holy Bible scriptures and teachings in context 'exposes' heretics, imposters and counterfeits among us.

Jesus who disciple us the New Testament said, 'You will know them by their fruit.'

Beware church your disguised adversary and his disguised servants are near you to 'devour'.

Galatians 1:
8. But though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other Gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.


The Gospel that were preached were the origin of the 12 Apostles and the addition of the 13th in context, and those disciple under them, when Paul refers to, 'we'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
 
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Paul, speaks of "us" plural as far as those who are stewards of the mysteries of God here

1Cr 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Jesus also speaks of "them" plurally here as well

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Apparently, Doug ignores these verses that 'debunks' his Pauline denomination version.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
 
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Matthew 13:
11. He answered and said unto them,
Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given.
These are not the same mysteries as revealed to Paul

A mystery is hidden wisdom kept secret

Paul's mystery was kept secret........[Rom 16:25 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

The mysteries of the kingdom was kept secret and spoken of in parables.................[Mat 13:35 KJV] 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
 

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These are not the same mysteries as revealed to Paul

A mystery is hidden wisdom kept secret

Paul's mystery was kept secret........[Rom 16:25 KJV] 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Next verse

Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith

See plural in Ephesians here

Ephes 1:9 Having made known unto USSSSSSSSSSS the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

See plural in Ephesians here also

Ephes 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostleSSSSSSSSS and prophetSSSSSSSSSS by the Spirit;

Ephes 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Ephes 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Plural

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saintSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Plural


Col 4:3 Withal praying also for uSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds

The mysteries of the kingdom was kept secret and spoken of in parables.................[Mat 13:35 KJV] 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his discipleSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Plural

Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto THEMMMM, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Similarly, plural

1 Cr 7:7 But WEEEEEEEEEEE speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory.

plural

1Cr 4:1 Let a man so account of USSSSSSSSSS, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewardSSSSSSS of the mysteries of God.

Just emphasizing the plurality of them in the verses
 
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Throughout the writings of Paul, he speaks often of “mysteries” which, according to him, were hidden in past generations and only now revealed through his ministry. These “mysteries” are presented as special insights concerning the gospel, the church, the future transformation of the body, and the inclusion of the Gentiles in the promises of God. However, when we examine the teachings of Jesus Himself, we find that these matters were not hidden at all. Rather, Jesus spoke of them plainly and frequently, both in direct speech and through parables. What Paul refers to as mysteries, Jesus had already made known, sometimes with deep spiritual clarity and always accessible to those with a sincere heart and faith.


One of the key so-called mysteries in Paul’s writings is the inclusion of the Gentiles in the promises of salvation. Paul says this was a hidden truth now revealed, “that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel” (Ephesians 3:6). Yet Jesus had already spoken clearly about the gathering of Gentiles into His fold. He said, “And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 8:11), showing that salvation was never to be for Israel alone. Again, He declared, “Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16). This directly anticipates the Gentiles becoming part of God’s people, not as a surprise, but as part of His mission from the beginning.


Paul also speaks of the mystery of the church as one body in Christ, particularly in Ephesians where he refers to marriage and says, “This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church” (Ephesians 5:32). But Jesus had already taught unity between Himself and His followers in rich imagery. He declared, “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit” (John 15:5), teaching that believers are organically joined to Him. In His prayer to the Father, Jesus asked, “that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us” (John 17:21). This shows that the unity of believers with Christ and with one another was not a new revelation but a core part of Jesus’ teaching. He did not frame it as a secret to be revealed later, but as a goal of His mission on earth.


Paul writes of the mystery of the resurrection and transformation of the body, saying, “Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed” (1 Corinthians 15:51). Yet Jesus had already spoken extensively of the resurrection. He said, “This is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:40). He never said that this truth was hidden but proclaimed it openly. Jesus made it clear that eternal life and the resurrection would be given to those who believed and followed Him.


Paul also mentions a mystery involving Christ dwelling in believers, saying this had been hidden but was now made known: “the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints… which is Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:26–27). Yet Jesus had already spoken plainly of His Spirit and presence living in those who love Him. He promised, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him” (John 14:23). Just before that, He had said of the Spirit, “for He dwells with you and will be in you” (John 14:17). These were not vague statements but clear promises about divine indwelling, offered to all who would walk in obedience and love.


Paul speaks further of the mystery of lawlessness already at work in the world (2 Thessalonians 2:7), warning of deception and rebellion. But Jesus had already prophesied about the increase of sin and false teachings. He said, “And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold” (Matthew 24:12). He also warned His followers: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many” (Matthew 24:4–5). These warnings from Jesus show that He had already revealed what some would later call a mystery. He was not vague but urgent and clear in His warnings.


Jesus did use the word “mystery,” but in a different sense. He told His disciples, “Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13:11). These mysteries referred to spiritual truths about the Kingdom which He explained through parables, not hidden doctrines reserved for a later teacher. The parables unveiled how the Kingdom of God grows, how people respond to the Word, and what happens at the final judgment. Jesus expected His disciples to understand these things, and He explained them plainly to those who followed Him.


Finally, regarding the gospel going to the Gentiles, Paul claimed it was a mystery hidden from ages past, but Jesus had commanded it openly. After His resurrection, He said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations” (Matthew 28:19), and before that He said, “this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come” (Matthew 24:14). These are not hidden teachings but part of the core mission Jesus gave to His followers. Peter later confirmed this when he said, “But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him” (Acts 10:35), and James added, “God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name” (Acts 15:14), confirming what Jesus had already made known.


All these things—eternal life, the resurrection, the unity of believers, the indwelling Spirit, the inclusion of Gentiles, and warnings of false teachers—were plainly spoken by Jesus. He Himself declared, “I have spoken openly to the world. I always taught in synagogues and in the temple… and in secret I have said nothing” (John 18:20). The idea that God's plan was hidden until Paul is not supported by the words of Christ. Rather, Jesus declared the truth from the beginning, in simple, open language that any humble heart could receive.


Therefore, when Paul speaks of mysteries, he is not revealing new truth, but restating what had already been taught by the Master. The words of Jesus are complete and sufficient, and every true disciple builds upon them, not apart from them. The gospel, the kingdom, the resurrection, the unity of believers, and the judgment—all were revealed first by the Son of God, who said, “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away” (Matthew 24:35).

Just remember Doug, Paul loved to boast and take credit for other people's works.
 

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Next verse

Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith

See plural in Ephesians here

Ephes 1:9 Having made known unto USSSSSSSSSSS the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

See plural in Ephesians here also

Ephes 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostleSSSSSSSSS and prophetSSSSSSSSSS by the Spirit;

Ephes 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Ephes 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Plural

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saintSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Plural


Col 4:3 Withal praying also for uSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds


Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his discipleSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.

Plural

Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto THEMMMM, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Similarly, plural

1 Cr 7:7 But WEEEEEEEEEEE speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory.

plural

1Cr 4:1 Let a man so account of USSSSSSSSSS, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewardSSSSSSS of the mysteries of God.

Just emphasizing the plurality of them in the verses
i don't need to reply Doug, your given talent and testament makes GOD the truth and man a liar.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
 
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i don't need to reply Doug, your given talent and testament makes GOD the truth and man a liar.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

I do love when God's word can make things so much clearer

Peace to you in our Lord Jesus Christ also Fred J
 

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I do love when God's word can make things so much clearer

Peace to you in our Lord Jesus Christ also Fred J
i agree and peace be with you in Jesus name.

Glory be to GOD the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ for ever and ever. Amen

'GOD is not an author of confusion but of peace.'

All scripture = Holy Bible (2timothy3:16&17), and the Holy Ghost is our Helper and Comforter, for one among other scripturally, 'He will lead us into the full truth'.

When, Paul says, 'Fight a good fight', among others, GOD is good and HIS word is good in the inspired Holy Bible.

That's the good fight scripture we use that fights, besides us unworthy servants use it in testament and in defense for those true lambs and sheep here and out there.

Name calling is also as scripture good GOD has spoken, like, 'heretic', 'imposters', 'counterfeits', 'sneaked in Jews', 'wolves in sheep clothing', 'blind leading the blind' and etc.

Am also in another Thread, 'Is the rapture before the Tribulation'.

Please check it out, am facing a field day with those posting about pretrib rapture, where scripture doesn't support. And another posting, only the patriarchs of Israel will make it in the first resurrection. And those came out of the grave when Christ died on the Cross are the patriarchs of Israel, are considered as fellow 'firstfruits' risen as Christ rise on the third day. Neither scripture supports this, as i've responded on the contrary scripturally as well.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
 

Doug

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One of the key so-called mysteries in Paul’s writings is the inclusion of the Gentiles in the promises of salvation. Paul says this was a hidden truth now revealed, “that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel” (Ephesians 3:6). Yet Jesus had already spoken clearly about the gathering of Gentiles into His fold. He said, “And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 8:11), showing that salvation was never to be for Israel alone. Again, He declared, “Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:16). This directly anticipates the Gentiles becoming part of God’s people, not as a surprise, but as part of His mission from the beginning.
What the mystery is in Ephesians 3:6 is

that the Gentiles would be fellow heirs.....where before Paul do you find this?

The Gentiles would be of the same body.......where do you find the body of Christ before Paul?

That Gentiles were saved is not the mystery God always made provision for Gentiles to be saved thru Israel