I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

[Hiddenthings]

@Origen

While you search for something that doesn’t exist, let me begin by presenting my evidence that shows man and woman are inherently mortal.

Man, Inherently Mortal

“Man is like to vanity; his days are a shadow.” — Psalm 144:4
“In the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.” (See marginal reference) — Genesis 2:17
“Lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” — Genesis 3:22 This is a problem verse for you!
“Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned.” — Romans 5:12
“For as in Adam all die.” — 1 Corinthians 15:22
“What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death?” — Psalm 89:48
“Cease from man, whose breath is in his nostrils.” — Isaiah 2:22
“What is your life? For you are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.” — James 4:14
“Shall mortal man be more just than God?” — Job 4:17

You have a number of major hurdles to climb over in that list of quotes and we haven't even started on the subject of the soul.

 

[pandaflower]

Fortunately,as with all Protestant faithful whom Catholics likely think are in error, God is the only true judge.

Countless souls,Protestant and Catholic, will appear before his throne when the time comes.
And then we shall learn his truth.

In the meanwhile, some occupy ourselves judging in God's stead here and now.
And as we judge so too shall we be judged. Part of that is ,we will answer for all of this.

What did Jesus say? Matthew 10.

 

[David in NJ]

There have been Catholics for over two thousand years, long before the first Protestant.

There have been Catholics for over 4,000 years, long before Roman Catholics and the Vatican.

 

[David in NJ]

Fortunately,as with all Protestant faithful whom Catholics likely think are in error, God is the only true judge.

Countless souls,Protestant and Catholic, will appear before his throne when the time comes.
And then we shall learn his truth.

In the meanwhile, some occupy ourselves judging in God's stead here and now.
And as we judge so too shall we be judged. Part of that is ,we will answer for all of this.

What did Jesus say? Matthew 10.

i wouldn't say "countles" but i do AGREE that some Catholics will be saved

 

[pandaflower]

i wouldn't say "countles" but i do AGREE that some Catholics will be saved

I didn't say anything about the saved.

I said, countless souls,Protestant and Catholic, will appear before his throne when the time comes.
And then we shall learn his truth.

That's judgement. And whom God has saved us not anything I nor anyone else knows.

 

[David in NJ]

I didn't say anything about the saved.

I said, countless souls,Protestant and Catholic, will appear before his throne when the time comes.
And then we shall learn his truth.

That's judgement. And whom God has saved us not anything I nor anyone else knows.

The Good News is JESUS CHRIST the LORD

Wherever the Gospel is preached, God will SAVE some = Gospel TRUTH = John 1:1-13

 

[David in NJ]

The Christian (Catholic Church) traces its beginnings back to Jesus Christ and his teachings in the 1st century AD.

Well of course they do.

And the beliefs of the men who started Roman Catholicism originated at least a thousand years before Christ

 

[David in NJ]

There's no such thing as the Roman Catholic Church. Properly google the history of the Christian (Catholic) Church.

There is no such thing as the 'Christian Church'

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Christian (Catholic Church) traces its beginnings back to Jesus Christ and his teachings in the 1st century AD.

Traces it's heresy you mean

 

[David in NJ]

And, that's why you need to properly google the history of the Christian (Catholic) Church.

i am very familiar with it

Are you familiar with the Way the Truth and the Life???

 

[Hiddenthings]

I have. Multiple times.



Did you know there's more one way to say something?



Again, a soul [spirit] can die a spiritual death, which means eternal life separated from God in Hell.



Again, Jesus said that spirits don't have flesh and bones (Lk. 24:39), and thus spirits are incorporeal, and thus spirits are immortal, which means "not subject to physical death".

This was interesting.

Not one quote which states the soul is immortal!

Ezekiel 18:4 (ESV) "Behold, all souls are mine; the soul who sins shall die."

So like Christian's to believe the opposite to what the Bible teaches.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Again, a soul [spirit] can die a spiritual death, which means eternal life separated from God in Hell.

Wow, so now you are saying this so-called divine essence, which is God, can die?

Where do you get this stuff from? Not the Bible.

 

[pandaflower]

The Good News is JESUS CHRIST the LORD

Wherever the Gospel is preached, God will SAVE some = Gospel TRUTH = John 1:1-13

Which gives no one license to judge whom he has saved.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Which gives no one license to judge whom he has saved.

We must remember that much of Christianity has been misled by centuries of theological development that drifted from the original Gospel taught by the Apostles. How God chooses to deal with those who were deceived is His sovereign decision. Our responsibility is simply to sound the warning: come out of her, and out of her many daughters.

 

[pandaflower]

We must remember that much of Christianity has been misled by centuries of theological development that drifted from the original Gospel taught by the Apostles. How God chooses to deal with those who were deceived is His sovereign decision. Our responsibility is simply to sound the warning: come out of her, and out of her many daughters.

I believe that after all these centuries there is nothing to be done about the denominations,the many daughters.

I think each of God's people know if the Lord speaks to their heart and mind. We are all unique creations of God's spirit and power.

I think pointing at institutions of men and judging those within serves no purpose except to make we who judge appear entitled to do God's job in that.

And that then divides the body of Christ even more.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Precisely. Again, a soul [spirit] can die a spiritual death, which means eternal life separated from God in Hell due to sin.

You don't understand!

The context there is lives! and the lives that sin die...same as Romans 6:23 Wages of sin is death!

You are so out of your depth on the most simplest of teachings.

Again, Jesus said that spirits don't have flesh and bones (Lk. 24:39), and thus spirits, such as the soul, are incorporeal, and thus immortal, which means "not subject to physical death".

your referencing the resurrected Christ - you are all over the place! Just stop!

No. I said a soul is a spirit. Regarding God, Who is Spirit, the Word Who is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity became human...so He can physically die.

Yeah, there is nothing that can help you that is certain!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I believe that after all these centuries there is nothing to be done about the denominations,the many daughters.

Nothing this side of Christ's return agreed.

I think each of God's people know if the Lord speaks to their heart and mind. We are all unique creations of God's spirit and power.

I guess it depends which God is speaking in their heart?

I think pointing at institutions of men and judging those within serves no purpose except to make we who judge appear entitled to do God's job in that.

And that then divides the body of Christ even more.

Every denomination experiences divisions even those bodies who hold high degrees of truth. It must be so to determine those who are genuine in their belief.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Origen

Man and His Constitution: A Scriptural Reflection

"But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand." —Isaiah 64:8 (ESV)

Man is formed from the earth:

• "The first man was from the earth, a man of dust." —1 Corinthians 15:47
• "Dust you are, and to dust you shall return." —Genesis 3:19
• "Man shall return to the dust." —Job 34:14–15
• "He remembers that we are dust." —Psalm 103:14

His foundation is frail and fleeting:

• "All flesh is grass… surely the people are grass. The grass withers, the flower fades..." —Isaiah 40:6, 8
• "All flesh is like grass… he flourishes like a flower of the field; the wind passes over it, and it is gone." —1 Peter 1:24; Psalm 103:15; James 1:10
• "He remembered that they were but flesh, a wind that passes and does not return." —Psalm 78:39

Man is insignificant before God:

• "Behold, the nations are like a drop from a bucket… as dust on the scales… less than nothing and emptiness… like grasshoppers." —Isaiah 40:15, 17, 22
• "All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing." —Daniel 4:35
• "Abraham answered, 'I who am but dust and ashes…'" —Genesis 18:27

Man cannot question his Maker:

• "Shall the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’" —Isaiah 45:9
• "I also am formed out of the clay." —Job 33:6

Born of the flesh, he remains flesh:

• "That which is born of the flesh is flesh." —John 3:6
• "You return man to dust… the spirit (breath) returns to God who gave it!" —Psalm 90:3; Ecclesiastes 12:7

Nowhere in the Bible are we told we possess something immortal or eternal.
Nowhere in the Bible are we told we are anything more than clay, dust a mist!
Nowhere in the Bible are we told something wafts to Heaven when we die.
What breath we have to live is give back when we die.

 

[pandaflower]

Nothing this side of Christ's return agreed.

I guess it depends which God is speaking in their heart?

That's the comment that intends to divide.

Every denomination experiences divisions even those bodies who hold high degrees of truth. It must be so to determine those who are genuine in their belief.

That statement is an example of a contradictory fallacy

 

[Hiddenthings]

That's the comment that intends to divide.

It's the reality which is presented in the Word and it's also the many warnings which the Apostles warn every believer who heard the original Gospel. If anything Panda that warning needs to be louder than ever!

That statement is an example of a contradictory fallacy

“For there must be divisions among you in order that those who are genuine among you may be recognized.” 1 Corinth 11:19

Another reality.