It seems to me that there is alot of content on the gospel of the Davidic earthly kingdom but Paul didn't preach this kingdom. Do you think otherwise? do you think Paul preached the earthly kingdom before he preached the mystery?
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Big Boy Johnson
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Yes and Jesus saw fit to include these in the Law of Christ under the New Covenant too.
Did you not know the 10 Commandments are found in the New Testament too???
You are confused yet again.
God foretold that He was going to make a New Covenant and when He said this the New Covenant had not been established yet because Jesus Christ is the One that would come forth to take away the old covenant so He could establish the New Covenant and to also change the Law
Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Hebrews 8:6
But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.
Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
If that were true then the New Birth would not be available yet and Jesus never went to the Cross
You are confused yet again.
That started in earnest in the early 1900 where Jews from all over the world began moving to the Holy Land
Then in 1948 the entire world recognized the newly establish modern State of Israel except for the servants of satan like the muzlims, nazis and various others that are racists against the Jews and hate them wanting them all to be murdered.
Ever see the biblical definition for what the Kingdom of God actually is?
Hello @Doug,
Yes, I agree, there is a lot to take in concerning the earthly kingdom. I have The Companion Bible, with it's appendices in the back, and have read this appendix through before, but last night I decided to go through it again, looking up the references given as I went, and it was good to do, because I began to appreciate the scale and depth of it, and what a mammoth degree of precision planning went into it's production. How awesome God is!!
Dr Bullinger goes into Paul's part in the preaching of the gospel, and what his message consisted of. On his missionary journeys he went to the synagogue in each township that he entered, and we read that he would open the Scriptures and show by the witness of the law and the prophets, what was foretold concerning the person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ, in order to convince his hearers that the Lord Jesus Christ was indeed the Messiah. In App. 140 following the writing concerning the gospel of the Kingdom, it continues by saying:-
- "THE GOSPEL (or GOOD NEWS) OF GOD".
This is the Gospel unto which Paul the Apostle was separated (Rom. 1:1), and is supplementary to "the Gospel of the Kingdom", of which it was another aspect. "The Gospel of the Kingdom" was first proclaimed by John the Baptist and the Lord. But both were rejected and put to death. The Lord, however, was raised from the dead and the Gospel of God has to do with a risen Messiah. It characterizes the ministry of the Acts rather than that of the Gospels; especially Paul's share in it. The Gospel of a risen Messiah, re-proclaimed as about to come and restore all things, was the burden of the apostolic proclamation during the dispensation of the Acts. See Acts 2:23-36; 3:12-18; 4:2, 10-12.
"With great power gave the Apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus; and great grace was upon them all" (4:33). Also 5:29-32; 10:34-43; 13:23-29.
This too, was the burden of Paul's proclamation, as we may see from Acts 17:1-3, 7. He proclaimed "Jesus, and the resurrection" (vv. 18, 31, 32). True, it was the proclamation of the Kingdom, and, in its wider aspect, "the kingdom of God" (14:22; 19:8); because it was He Who had raised Christ from the dead, and the proclamation was being sent out by God Himself. It was His own special good news. It was of His own motion and will. And it was all of grace. If "His own" would even now receive Messiah, He would "send Jesus Christ" (Acts 3:20). In spite of all their sins, and their heinous crime in murdering His beloved Son, He would blot out all their sins and fulfill all His promises. Truly, this was in very deed :--
- "THE GOSPEL (or GOOD NEWS) OF THE GRACE OF GOD".
This is why, in the canonical order of the books of the New Testament, God's overruling is seen in the fact that the first writing which comes to us following on the double rejection of His Son (in the Gospels and the Acts) is the word and good news of His grace in Rom. 1:1. In spite of all that we should consider the unpardonable nature of Israel's crime, the first written words which meet our eyes are these :--
"Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, a called Apostle (or, an Apostle by Divine calling), separated to God's Gospel (or glad tidings), which He before promised by means of His prophets in sacred writings concerning His Son, Who came of the seed of David according to the flesh, Who was demonstrated [to be] God's Son, in power, with respect to [His] holy spirit [body, 1Cor. 15:45], by resurrection of the dead --even Jesus Christ our Lord, by Whom we received GRACE -- yea, apostolic grace, with a view to the obedience of faith among all the nations, on behalf of His Name (or for His glory), among whom yourselves also are [the] called of Jesus Christ" (Rom. 1:1-6).
Here we have the sum and the substance of the good news of the grace of God. It was not new. It was promised before and written down by His prophets. The sufferings, death and resurrection and glory, were all foretold. But now "those things, which God before had showed by the mouth of all His prophets that Christ should suffer, He hath so fulfilled. THEREFORE, Repent ye, and turn again that your sins may be blotted out, so that [haply] may come seasons of refreshing from the presence (or face) of the Lord, and [that] He may send Him Who was before proclaimed (or according to all the critical texts, "was foreordained") for you -- even Jesus Christ" (Acts 3:18-20).
Thus "God's Gospel" was based on the prophecies of the Old Testament, and was the logical development of them. It is in this that it is distinguished from that which had not been before revealed by the prophets in the concluding verses of Romans. That epistle begins with what had been written in the Scriptures; it ends with what had never been written till "now", when the SECRET which had been kept in silence from times eternal, or during [the] times of [the] ages was then at length made manifest (Rom. 16:25, 26. Eph. 3:1-12. Col. 1:26-28). (See Ap. 192).
The time had come fro this secret to be revealed, and to be committed to prophetic writings. This revelation is contained in the three Epistles written by Paul from his prison in Rome, to the Ephesians, Phillipians, and Colossians. Thus "the Gospel of the Kingdom" was the proclamation by and concerning the Messiah made by John the Baptist and Himself, and is the subject of the Four Gospels.
Thus "the Gospel of the Kingdom" is the proclamation concerning the same Messiah, made by the Twelve, the apostle Paul, and "them that heard" the Lord, during the dispensation of the Acts of the Apostles, and is the subject of their testimony and of their writings and the earlier Epistles of Paul. Seeing it was good news sent after the resurrection of Christ, it is all of pure grace and favour, and hence is "the Gospel of the Grace of God".
- THE GOSPEL (or GOOD NEWS) OF THE GLORY OF CHRIST (2COR. 4:4).
This is connected with Christ's exaltation as Head over all things to His church, which is His body, which is developed and revealed more fully in the Prison Epistles (Eph. 1:21-23. Phil. 2:9-11. Col. 1:14-19). It not only involves the present glory of Messiah, but includes the final defeat of Satan, the crushing of his head, and the subjugation of all spiritual beings, be they powers, principalities, authorities, dominions, or thrones, &c.
Hence, it is Satan's great aim now, at this present time, to blind the eyes of them that believe not, so that they may not learn of his coming defeat, as foretold in Gen. 3:15, and seen fulfilled in Rev. 20 (see 2Cor. 4:4). Knowing his object, and being "not ignorant of his devices", we know also what should be our own object : viz. the making known this good news which he would seek to hide; and proclaiming "the Gospel of the glory of Christ".
Sorry I have to quote this, but it is well worth reading in relation to Paul's part in the ministry of God concerning His Son: and at least we will be singing from the same song sheet as it were.
Thank you for your patience,
In Christ Jesus
Chris
The Body of Christ and the elect remnant of Israel are One People, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham that belong to the Body of Christ Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's,[Body] then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
That's what I was saying ........Paul received revelations .......he didnt get everything at once..........I do think all his epistles were teaching and commands for the body of Christ
Both the believing remnant and the body of Christ are in Christ and will be gathered together
[Eph 1:10 KJV] 10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:
@Doug
Yes with no social and ethnic differences Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
The distinction is Faith Gal 3:7,26
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Yes with no social and ethnic differences Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
The distinction is Faith Gal 3:7,26
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[Jhn 11:52 KJV] 52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
The believing Jews were scattered abroad but Christ will gather all of Israel in one fold
[Jhn 10:16 KJV] 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
Good to see that you recognize Galatians 3 is about faith
so many think its about being heirs of Abraham and not heirs of Christ
Big Boy Johnson
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Actually abiding IN Christ 24/7 is the sabbath but the New Testament does not call it the sabbath because it's so far more advanced that what people were doing under the old covenant.
The purpose for the sabbath was to provide rest for the people and this is included in the New Covenant:
Rest in the Lord under the New Covenant
Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Hebrews 4:9-10
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Matthew 11:29-30
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
But to your point, yes the sabbath is nothing like in the old covenant.
'All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.'
(2Ti 3:16-17)
Hello @Doug,
I am sure you would agree that all Scripture is for us, but not all is about us. That is why Paul instructed Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:15, to:-
'Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.', For we need to try the things that differ:- 'That ye may approve things that are excellent; ('that differ') that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. (Php 1:10-11)
I believe what Paul wrote in Ephesians 3:8-9, and in Colossians 1:26: that until it's revelation to Paul, The Mystery concerning the church which is the Body of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23) was hid in God, and not the subject therefore of any scripture prior to that written by Paul from Prison.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Yes we agree on all of this
Just a question do you think 1 Corinthians and Romans were written to edify the body of Christ
I dont hold to the view that the mystery was not revealed until Paul's prison epistles
Here is a mystery revealed before prison.......................[Rom 11:25 KJV] 25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Hello @Doug,
Yes, I agree. Yet why don't you believe what Ephesians.3:8-9 and Colossians 1:26 say concerning the unsearchable nature of The Mystery made known to Paul alone? That it was hid in God until made known to and through Paul in the epistles written from prison? Also,, how could Paul declare that he had expounded to the Ephesian elders all the counsel of God, yet in his summary there was no mention of the truth later made known, concerning the unsearchable riches of Christ? He could not yet have received it, surely, otherwise he was claiming an untruth, which is out of the question.
Thank you, Doug.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hello @Doug,
The Church which is the Body of Christ was created by God, following the final failure by Israel to repent and acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ as their Messiah and King in Acts 28, when, in v.28, following the quotation from Isaiah 6:10, by Paul, salvation was sent to the Gentiles. Israel departed into the darkness of unbelief then, and the Olive tree was no longer there to be grafted into, for in 70AD the nation was scattered among the nations.
Hence God's provision came into play, through the ministry of the Lord's Prisoner. Romans and 1 Corinthians were both written prior to this.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour
our Lord and Head
Chris
Hello
It may well be that the unsearchable riches were not found in the old testament prophets
Hello
I dont know what you think about the olive tree but I dont view it as speaking of Gentiles in the body of Christ
I think the grafted in Gentiles were those who believed the preaching of Peter and the disciples....they are Gentiles grafted into the believing remnant of Israel such as Acts 10.............[Act 10:45 KJV] 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Hello
The problem with this view is that you arent applying the teaching, instruction, and commandments of all of Paul's epistles to us. To me this is taking rightl division into error. You are denying yourself the full benefit found in Paul. Hope you understand where I am coming from. Please share your thoughts on this.
'But I say, Did not Israel know?
First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy
by them that are no people,
and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
(Rom.10:19)
'I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall?
God forbid: but rather
through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles,
for to provoke them to jealousy.'
(Rom.11:11)
Hello @Doug,
Yes, I agree.
As the verses above reveal, salvation came to the Gentiles to provoke Israel to jealousy.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
'All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.'
(2Ti 3:16-17)
Hello @Doug,
When I quoted from 2 Tim. 3:16 in an earlier post it was with the intention of showing that I believed what it says, and that all Scripture is for us, including the earlier epistles of Paul, but that not all is about us That is why we are exhorted in 2 Timothy 2:15 to rightly divide the word of truth.
For example all the way through the book of Acts and the epistles written during that time two baptisms were in operation, but in the epistle to the Ephesians, the Church which is the body of Christ are told to KEEP the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace (Eph. 4 & Eph. 2:14-15), and the one point out of the seven doctrines listed, as you know, is 'One baptism', not two, and that is the baptism in which the flesh plays no part, for the believer is identified with Christ the moment he believes, by the operation of the Holy Spirit. and are reckoned to have been baptised in His baptism (Col. 2:12). We live by faith and not by sight.
We have to try the things that differ between the dispensation of the mystery, what comes before, and is to follow, that we may walk worthy of the Lord. For all is of the spirit now, we do not observe days, or indulge in ceremonial, for all is of Christ and in Christ.
We have received of His fulness (Col, 2:9), so how can we be lacking anything?
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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