Yes. God means what He says and says what He means. The parallel is found in Isaiah 53:6. Some object and say that refers only to the Jews. Hebrews tells us that Jesus tasted death for every man (Hebrews 2:9). Paul tells us that Christ died for the ungodly (Romans 5:6). Who in the world is not ungodly? Jesus took all the sin of all mankind, including past, present and future sin, into His body. His death and shed blood paid the price. To say otherwise is an insult to God's grace and the sacrifice of our Lord and Saviour Jesus.
Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?
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Jesus paid for all sins, even the unbeliever's. Sins are not imputed to the one committing them. see 2 Cor 5.17-19, and see 2 Pt 2.1 to see that all sins have been paid for. Christ's payment for sins is not something that is contingent. They were actually paid for. The only thing an unbeliever will answer for is whether or not he accepted God's offer of salvation.
His flesh, being flesh, was weak. Yet without sin.
Yes but only because of the sins that were laid upon Him. He who knew no sin became sin for us. He being very God didn't need redemption, except for His body of flesh which needed to put on immortality to have eternal life.
amigo de christo
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The day draws nigh .
Now this day will be the day that all sheep have longed for ........
But is NO DAY the goats will rejoice in at all .
If one could be put to death by two or three witnesses under the law
IF those of the green tree , aka , JESUS the christ can be burned ALIVE in neros gardens
WHAT DO YA THINK gonna come upon the dry tree .
JUST HOW much sorer a punishment awaits those who trod JESUS under foot
I dont know about what you might think
but getting burned alive , getting wild animals and dogs and etc
put against you till they literally ripped the flesh off you and you died
IF that was allowed to come against the HOUSE OF GOD
WHAT ON EARTH WE THINK GOD IS GONNA DO to those who rejected JESUS THE CHRIST .
SO please allow me this reminder once again .
though you know it . INTERFAITH IS OF SATAN , ITS OF THE DRAGON , ITS OF THE BEAST
ITS OF that which is of anti christ . AND I SHUDDER IN TERROR for even those who supported it
or its men .
Sheep dont support anti christ , no matter how loving and good satan can make it seem .
Goats do . and sadly many goats seem to be wearing wool in these last days .
ON the day of judgment
when we all stand before CHRIST
MANY will wail , but it will be too late .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Wanna hear something so simple any child of GOD could have known it
and the simplicity of it will refresh the soul . We are not alone sister the LORD is with us .
Okay are you ready to hear what was so simple
and you already know it but it will still encourage you to hear it .
THE WORD OF GOD HAD to become the same flesh that every man and woman
was created with . TO save those who could not save themselves .
HE had to DO , IN THE FLESH
what adam , eve and all FAILED TO DO .
He had to overcome , not for His sake . HE was before all was .
HE TOOK on our same flesh .
TO OVERCOME what the created could not overcome .
Let us take notice JESUS did not come as an angel
HE did not come in some other kind of flesh .
HE HAD to come in the same likeness of our flesh , TO SAVE US . TO fullfill the righteousness
the holy and righteous standards of THE HOLY GOD
for the sake of adam , eve and all their children . WHICH includes every man and woman born .
YOu are spot on right , HE DARN SURE ddint need REDEMPTION .
BUT WE SURE DID . WE SURE DO . JESUS didnt do for HIS SAKE
HE DID FOR OUR SAKE .
HE did also put on immortality , again NOT FOR HIS SAKE . HE HAD IT LONG before HE descended .
HE DID IT FOR US , HE was the FIRST BORN , death had no hold on him .
HE had done no wrong . HE had overcome , FOR OUR SAKES
SO that all who DO BELEIEVE IN HIM , WHOSE FAITH BE IN HIM
DO OVERCOME . pretty simple if ya ask me . ANYONE
who even dares to try and imply that JESUS had to do something for HIS OWN sake
SURE IS confused . HE DID IT FOR OUR SAKES . ONLY GOD , not an angel
not a human , COULD DO FOR us and restore us . BUT JESUS SURE DID all that was necessary .
NOT for him , FOR US .
not for himself , BUT FOR US . HE did not do for him
HE did FOR US . many sure dont seem to want to BELEIVE
rather they want to beleive . Any guesses on why one Beleive was captilized while the other was not .
CAUSE the ONE BELEIVE has to do WITH GOD , WITH CHRIST , IN HIM
the other beleive , has to do with what the flesh desires to beleive , AND YOU can bet
ITS NOT THE TRUTH , but rather a lie that serves the god of the mirror .
amigo de christo
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i notice you keep saying the unbelieving world .Where there is faith in a man in Christ, their sins God does not impute to them.
The unbelieving world has no faith in Christ, so their sins are imputed to them, against them.
And all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God
Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all [f]and on all who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified [g]freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a [h]propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 4
New King James Version
Abraham Justified by Faith
1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father[a] has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.
David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Abraham Justified Before Circumcision
9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.
The Promise Granted Through Faith
13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect, 15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all
17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;
18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”
19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
Bible Gateway passage: Romans 4 - New King James Version
Abraham Justified by Faith - What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for...www.biblegateway.com
But one would marvel at just who is the unbeleiving world and of it .
IT would shock one to the core to find out
that even many who cliamed to BELEIVE , did not BELEIVE .
They only claimed to beleive .
What is the key difference
between one who truly beleives verses one who claims to beleive .
Well those who truly BELIEVE would have BELEIVED the words of GOD .
but many sure can cliam to hear GOD , to even hear Christ
but darn sure dont seem to beleive HIS WORDS .
Many who cliamed to BELEIVE GOD
were called out for lip service and hearts being far from him .
MANY have loved to heed the twisted words of men who say thus sayeth the LORD
and yet their words WILL CONTRADICT HIS WORDS .
HE who is OF GOD , HEARS GODS WORDS . But many hear only some truths
and twisted words of men . Might i suggest
bible time again . The parents who even claimed to Beleive in GOD
sure did not seem to beleive HIS WORDS . THEY DIED IN THE DESERT TOO .
AND believe you
me , that even those who cliam and can cliam to believe in JESUS
and yet follow another jesus , THEY GONNA DIE the second death .
Sounds pretty grave dont it . But i would invite anyone to expose error if what i wrote
if they see it . And do remember WHO IT IS and WHOSE WORDS i keep pointing too .
LETS GLORIFY HIM , LETS HONOR HIM . and lies and sin DO NOT HONOR HIM .
words of men gone wrong no matter how decked in the wool they are
DO NOT HONOR HIM , THEY DISHONOR HIM . WE OWE ALL TO HIM
Yes, MANY believe in a false Christ
I won't point them out, yet I hear them speaking even today.
Jesus warned of many being deceived in v4 and 5.
So let us be careful to pay close attention; believe all the words of God; for we know many will not.
And maybe God will grant to them repentance to know the truth after being captured by the devil to do his will.
We can hope for the best yet be prepared for the worst.
Matthew 24
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many.
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for [a]all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, [b]pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Thing is Christ saves believers in Him, but not all believers believe all the same things about Christ.
The reality is that God knows those are His.
And some are not saved even though they believe in Christ, the Christ they believe in does not exist or is something demonic.
The dividing line is the Lord's. He knows his own, and they know Him.
Jesus will tell some of people who did great sounding things for Him that He never knew them.
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
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The reality is that God knows those are His.
And some are not saved even though they believe in Christ, the Christ they believe in does not exist or is something demonic.
The dividing line is the Lord's. He knows his own, and they know Him.
Jesus will tell some of people who did great sounding things for Him that He never knew them.
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7 - New King James Version
Do Not Judge - “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to...
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Ye who practice ........................Thing is Christ saves believers in Him, but not all believers believe all the same things about Christ.
The reality is that God knows those are His.
And some are not saved even though they believe in Christ, the Christ they believe in does not exist or is something demonic.
The dividing line is the Lord's. He knows his own, and they know Him.
Jesus will tell some of people who did great sounding things for Him that He never knew them.
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7 - New King James Version
Do Not Judge - “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to...
as paul himself warned
LET all who name the name of Christ depart from inquity .
There are many who support the rainbow
and other sins , who give their money to the poor
and yet , And yet ....................
They loved their sin and justified their sin and created a jesus that accepts their sin .
But that aint the LOVE GOD sheds upon the heart of the sheep .
MANY will wail scott .
And even many who used THE NAME OF JESUS will wail loudly for they did evil in HIS NAME and JUSTIFED
much evil IN HIS name . Using His name .
I know , i know , i have to be the one that does so remind . But seeing i do desire
not their death , someone gotta do something and these leaders of much of christendom
have no care for the sheep at all . They love something else , and it AINT GOD , AINT CHRIST
and aint the people they do so decieve under them . This sheep warns
and by grace shall continue to do so till the glorious day I go HOME to the KING .
And what a lovely day for the sheep that will be surely be my friend .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Walk and do all to the GLORY OF GOD while there still be time to do so .
For the night cometh wherein all the children of the night shall wail .
Let us who are of the day be diligent and ever vigilent in the things of the LORD .
For the night cometh wherein all the children of the night shall wail .
Let us who are of the day be diligent and ever vigilent in the things of the LORD .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
What is the one key identifying factorThing is Christ saves believers in Him, but not all believers believe all the same things about Christ.
The reality is that God knows those are His.
And some are not saved even though they believe in Christ, the Christ they believe in does not exist or is something demonic.
The dividing line is the Lord's. He knows his own, and they know Him.
Jesus will tell some of people who did great sounding things for Him that He never knew them.
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7 - New King James Version
Do Not Judge - “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to...
between JESUS and another jesus .
And what is the one key factor which proves which we one love and are of ...........
another jesus WILL twist what THE JESUS said . it will pick and choose what to beleive
and what to alter and remove .
BUT THE JESUS WOULD NOT EVER ONCE have CONTRADICTED HIS OWN WORDS .
many love a lie scott . many love a love that is not OF GOD at all , though it has come even upon
much of christendom cloaked in wool .
Tell me , if i told you that HEY SCOTT , I DO LOVE JESUS , I DO BELEIVE IN HIM
and yet defended non stop MY SIN and rather preached a jesus
that sure seems okay with it , DO YA REALLY THINK I KNOW , OR EVEN LOVE OR EVEN TRULY BELEIVED IN HIM , HIM
or did i just follow the voice of a god that came and promised me salvation
AND MY SIN and made that road DARN BROAD TO GOD .
I am telling us , warning us , REMINDING EVEN THOSE WHO ALREADY KNOW what i say
WE cannot take ANY TIME OFF . cause the devil and his co workers SURE AINT TAKING TIME OFF to deceive .
WE MAKE OUR LAST and FINAL STAND NOW . Dont think oh i can do this tomorrow
WE dont even know if we ourselves will be here on the morrow . WE DO TODAY . forget yesterday
its gone . TODAY IS THE DAY of salvation , JESUS MUST be preached
tomorrow for some will not come , HECK by the signs of the times
the cockadoodle doo might not even be heard . TODAY IS THE DAY SCOTT
we DO TODAY . WE DO TODAY what is best for the peoples , WHICH DO MEAN CORRECTING and
exposing all errors UNTO THE GLORY OF GOD . Now , TO THE TRENCHES my friend . TO the TRENCHES .
till our last breath or the LORD DO COME ,
FAITHFUL UNTO HE and doing all for the sakes of others no matter the cost to us .
AND scott , BELIEVE ME when i say , THE MORE ONE LOVES , THE LESS THEY WILL BE LOVED .
But rememeber REBUKE a wise man and he will love thee . DO all for the sakes of others
no matter the cost to you . AND DO ALL TO THE GLORY OF GOD , that which HONORS HIM . COUNT that cost
because i tell us many had counted the cost through all ages
that many have BLED , IT COST THEM THEIR OWN LIVES . BUT beleive you me , THEY IN A FAR better place now
as will all sheep be one day . AND that IS WHY WE OWE GOD , HIS CHRIST EVERYTHING
cause not you , not me ever once deserved SUCH A LOVELY HOME . ME most of all deserved The
upmost worst of the lake of fire . BUT THANKS TO GOD , TO HIS CHRIST
I DONT GET what i earned and deserved , I HAVE GRACE and A GOOD END . PONDER on that for a while .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Once upon a time
there lived a peoples
who had been seperated from all nations .
WHOM GOD had established and a temple to honor HIM even built
by the son of a King whose heart was after GOD .
But with many GOD was not well pleased
and as time went on they got worse and worse
used HIS NAME to pratice and do evil
USED his name to DECIEVE the people
and to bet set up on high and have the priase and worship of men .
BUT HOW MUCH WORSE do you suppose it will be
FOR THOSE WHO had USED THE NAME OF THE GREATEST KING , KING JESUS
and then turned and did the same as did the people under the old covenant had done .
CHRISTENDOM IS RIPE WITH the stench of death and most all
now do exactly what ended up DESTROYING those who did such a thing way back when .
BUT i must admit
I truly and deeply shudder in all out fear for this people .
BECAUSE if they did that under the OLD
what the heck is coming upon those who trod the NEW UNDER FOOT . WHO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT
and follow a lie thtey thought was love .
there lived a peoples
who had been seperated from all nations .
WHOM GOD had established and a temple to honor HIM even built
by the son of a King whose heart was after GOD .
But with many GOD was not well pleased
and as time went on they got worse and worse
used HIS NAME to pratice and do evil
USED his name to DECIEVE the people
and to bet set up on high and have the priase and worship of men .
BUT HOW MUCH WORSE do you suppose it will be
FOR THOSE WHO had USED THE NAME OF THE GREATEST KING , KING JESUS
and then turned and did the same as did the people under the old covenant had done .
CHRISTENDOM IS RIPE WITH the stench of death and most all
now do exactly what ended up DESTROYING those who did such a thing way back when .
BUT i must admit
I truly and deeply shudder in all out fear for this people .
BECAUSE if they did that under the OLD
what the heck is coming upon those who trod the NEW UNDER FOOT . WHO TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT
and follow a lie thtey thought was love .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
ON the great and mighty DAY of THE LORD
many will wail , but it will be too late . But didnt we do this , didnt we do that
in your name .
BUT AWAY INTO UTTER torment they will go with the words I NEVER KNEW YOU .
Better wake up christendom . better wake up before that DAY COME UPON thee unawares .
I know i dont sound a thing like these false prophets today
all they do is come promising ye shall have peace ,
BUT THAT DARN SURE is not what is to come upon them harlots or anyone who sat under and loved their lies .
TIME to make our stand NOW . Cause the house of the wicked IS COMING DOWN on the day of the LORD .
many will wail , but it will be too late . But didnt we do this , didnt we do that
in your name .
BUT AWAY INTO UTTER torment they will go with the words I NEVER KNEW YOU .
Better wake up christendom . better wake up before that DAY COME UPON thee unawares .
I know i dont sound a thing like these false prophets today
all they do is come promising ye shall have peace ,
BUT THAT DARN SURE is not what is to come upon them harlots or anyone who sat under and loved their lies .
TIME to make our stand NOW . Cause the house of the wicked IS COMING DOWN on the day of the LORD .
Acts 2;38....Repent and be baptized.....
Is a requirement and the one that completes ...........sin cleansing .....to be ....born again.
It seems that you have not really read my post because you actually repeated what I had said but with different emphasises.
Perhaps you should understand what is said in a post before you compose a rebuttal because I have expressed something in agreement with your own words.
Perhaps you too should consider 2 Peter 2:1.
A heart change by the operator. IE: Maker.
It's good to change your mind on things but may it be from Yahavah himself by the spirit.
Paul stated "all things are lawful, but not all things are beneficial."
AI Overview
The saying "All things are lawful, but not all things are beneficial" means that while there may be no specific rules against something, it doesn't automatically make it a good or helpful choice. It highlights the importance of discernment and considering the consequences of one's actions, even if those actions are technically permissible.
This idea is often attributed to Paul's writings in 1 Corinthians. In 1 Corinthians 6:12 and 10:23, Paul uses this phrase to address the Corinthian church's discussions about freedom in Christ and the potential for misuse of that freedom. While Christians have freedom from the law, they should not use this freedom to justify actions that are not helpful or edifying for themselves or others.
Here's a breakdown of the key points:
- "All things are lawful":
This refers to the Christian's freedom from the Old Testament law's restrictions.
- "Not all things are beneficial":
This emphasizes that even if something is permissible, it might not be wise, helpful, or good for one's spiritual growth or the well-being of others.
- Discernment and Conscience:
The saying encourages Christians to use their judgment and conscience to determine what is truly helpful and edifying, rather than simply relying on what is allowed.
- Impact on Others:
It also highlights the importance of considering how one's actions might affect other believers, especially those who might be weaker in faith.
- "All things are lawful":
Hiddenthings
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Flesh doesn't contain sin Lizbeth - it's either flesh or it is not
No, once again you missed the point.
He personally died to sin once
How so?
You said: Jesus did not remove all sin from the world, but His actions on the Cross will cover the repent humble sinner when they repent of their sins.
I vehemently disagree with your comment. I thought something sounded strange when you suggested we believed the same thing. I have disagreed with several of your posts. but when you say "Jesus did not remove all sin of the world" this is what i was responding to. Every sin, ever committed, has been placed on Christ, this is the real suffering Christ suffered on the Cross.
Question: - Have people, both gentile and Christian at large, stopped sinning?
If your answer is yes, then I am mystified as to how this was achieved.
If your answer is no, then what I said about people humbling themselves and repenting of their sins is also true, because they will be judged to be righteous because their sins will be covered by the Blood of Christ dying on the cross.
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