“Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.”
(James 1:27, WEB)
(James 1:27, WEB)
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Religion isn’t simply, as we sometimes hear, defined as a “man made set of dos and don’ts that tries to achieve self salvation, or self deification, or ultimate self enlightenment.”
True religion is perfectly modeled by the Messiah.
True religion is perfectly modeled by the Messiah.
Compare and contrast this with the law of Messiah -> 1 Corinthians 9:21 and Galatians 6:2.
Impure (counterfeit) religion vs pure (genuine) religion.
“Religion without Christ is a lamp without oil.” - C.H. Spurgeon
Behold
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Yes that is religion........as that is defined in the verse.
But that is not Christianity.
Religion wont get you into heaven, because to go to heaven, you must meet Jesus as your Savior, and become "one" with Him.... as He is the only Way to Heaven.
John 14:6
It’s the religion of primitive Christianity.
As for going to heaven, that’s not the Messianic hope of Israel.
The act of the body of the Church state does such in regards Religion. and you are correct, that will not get one into Heaven. but is the right thing to do as people of the Church.
You are talking about the Messianic Mob's line ?
Israel is the people who serve God ! and once Jesus went to Heaven he became Christ Jesus and then the worthy Jews of God became the first Christians in fact ! and as we all know Israel became Christians who are worthy of God, so the Name of one who is Saved is Israel in fact ! because such a one is worthy of God = Israel ! A Servant of God = Israel !
The first time Israel in the Bible is with Jacob and the next time it's with Nathaniel ! Two people clearly represented as Israel in fact for good reason, they were worthy of God ! and what did Jesus say that Nathaniel would see ! Bingo ! the lights should go on ! as that is a key point that everyone should know. if you do not, you must not be saved !
That means one is not worthy of Israel in fact, if one does not understand what Jesus said to Nathaniel, for one does not see such ?
David Lamb
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But Jesus didn't become Christ when He went back to heaven. "Christ" is from the Greek for "Messiah," and means "anointed one." He was called Jesus Christ long before He returned to heaven Here are a few examples:
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.” (Mt 1:18 NKJV)
“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” (Mr 1:1 NKJV)
““And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.” (Joh 17:3 NKJV)
Yes Jesus is the Christ regardless, but was not known for a fact by anyone, till he went to Heaven, as that's when the penny droped to all who had faith in him as the Saviour ! But one can not be your Saviour untill you know he is your Lord and Saviour and that means that you abide in him ! as you are his Body and he is the Head of the Body !
You see Christ Jesus is Emanuel, God with us !
Now we also see that Jesus said of others of faith in him would deny him and one was to do so 3 times and a cock was involved in this story and it came to pass of such a one ? So their you go the proof ! even Nathaniel, tho he said who Jesus was ? but Jesus pointed out what Nathaniel would see ! and Bingo ! The lights came on !
Jesus in the flesh is just only seen as Jesus ? but what did Jesus say he was bringing for us ? The Comforter ? The Holy Spirit ?
For Jesus work was done ! Now he is seen as the Christ Jesus to they who know him !
Now people who do not know Christ Jesus think that Jesus is coming back in the flesh ? in the 2ed coming ?
But Christ Jesus has given us all that is needed in fact ! we need no more ? as it's finished !
So what is the flesh man got to give ? So we see morons making claims of, When I see the man Jesus they will believe ?
haha how stupid and pathetic !They seen Jesus in the flesh 2000 years ago ! to no avail in fact ! because they were not worthy of God in fact !
So where is the Power ? It's in the Holy Spirit !
For if one has not the Holy Spirit you have Nothing in fact !
Faith can grow ! that's what faith is, it's about growth, for Bible says, Oh you of little faith ? that's not worthy ! but it's only the start, as you need the faith that can move Mountains ! You have to be Saved to have such Faith in fact ! For if you have 99.99% faith, that's not good enough.
If one is truly Saved and the Second coming is at hand ? and you are Saved now ? what do you think will happen to your faith then ? Nothing ! as the only people who will be Saved will be who is left ! they have no other way ? as all of the deceptions and delusions will of been burnt up ! for They are all at rock bottom !
So we who are Saved and alive when The Hellfire comes, may very well be killed in fact ! but such will be in Heaven !
Not to mention if they who are Saved born again, did come through the Hellfire, it's not a nice time to be alive, it will be a hard slog to deal with, not easy street that's for sure.
So all the dipsticks who are infavour of bringing on the Hellfire, so that Jesus comes back in the flesh and it's all easy street for them all to just lay about,in their 2ed coming, will be in for a suprise ! and if they die they will go to Hell, because they did not do the will of Christ Jesus in fact, so they do not abide in him ! for they are only religious dupes !
If people do the workings that are not abiding in Christ Jesus, then who are they in fact ? Anti-Christ ! for what one sow you will reap ! or maybe not all they who sow evil cop it in the neck say ? but many others do cop such evil because of other Evil peoples in tent in fact ! and the Evil sit back laughing in fact at their workings for themselves ! but they will go to hell in the end ! if they do not repent before hand. because they are an abomination to God ! A Curse ! and what is This world under ? A Curse ! for it's full of deception and delusions !
But for the Kingdom of God ! That day will come for all ! but the Saved are of the Kingdom of God now ! as were all who were Saved for the last 2000 years and some Jesws even more, because Jesus went to take them to Heaven with him in fact !
Not to mention their are many Mansions in Heaven, do you want to be the the least ? like oh I died on my death bed and only then repented of being an abomination ?
David Lamb
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Yes, I agree with that. So you are not saying what you said before, that He became Christ after the resurrection?
He became the Christ when the first Jews knew he was, to them ! as the Penny droped ! because They were born again at that instant !
One must truly be born again to understand that he is your Lord and Saviour in fact ! but no one knew 100% as they were not born again untill Jesus went up to Heaven. Now one is on the Path ! befor that we were Lost ! or only under the school Master !
I went to Church and Bible study for how many years, now I had great faith in Jesus ! but boy I was in for a suprise when he turned up !
Not in the flesh ! but the Holy Spirit showed me who he truly is in fact ! now before that who knows maybe I could of turned away like say about 90% that I knew of faith did ! or that have only little faith in fact.
The difference is that I can not turn away from that point on in fact ! because I know who he is ! before that I only knew of him ! admiration indeed ! but only that of much like that of a good man ?
I was only religious, but when I was Saved, I came out of that and became one in Christ Jesus = Home !
It was much like Saul when he became Paul.
David Lamb
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But Jesus Christ doesn't change because of what people believe about Him. He didn't become Christ when the penny dropped for some of the Jews. Which of the Jews believed in Him as soon as He was born? Yet we read:
“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.” (Mt 1:18 NKJV)
I agree, but whether one believes He is the Christ, the Messiah, or not, He still is the Christ - He doesn't change when we believe in Him.
Yes, same with me. But I didn't make Jesus become Christ when I believed.
Saul didn't become Paul. Saul was his Hebrew name, and Paul was his Latin name. You will look in vain for a verse in the bible telling us that his name was changed. There is a verse that says he was known by both names:
“Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him” (Ac 13:9 NKJV)
John Gill wrote in his commentary on that verse: "He was called by both these names; as he was a Jew by birth, his parents called him Saul, that was his Jewish name, and by which he went among the Jews; and as he was a citizen of a Roman city, Tarsus in Cilicia, he went among the Romans, or Gentiles, by the name of Paul, a Roman name."
The worthy Jews are the ones who were not lead astray by mans works, that was the leadership of the Jews in fact ! for they were lost in This world in fact ! but in regards to the first Christians they were the Jew who were worthy of God in fact ! They believed and had faith in Moses, the other Jews clearly did not. and Typical of fools ! as we see who apposed Moses were all bastards in fact ! all Jews are not Gods People at all in fact as History of the OT clearly points out in fact !
Sure Them who did even before he was born ! but they did not know him ? as he had not gone to Heaven yet ! Bingo ! that's when the lightes went on ! to who he truly is in fact ! and yes Baby Jesus was that of the Holy Spirit ! as he is the Alpha and the Omega in fact !
Sure Jesus is Salvation it's self ! but regardless one has to understand this first hand, for this is the experiance for themselves to undertake. I am on about.
No one makes Jesus become, it's you who knows the fact that he is !
When one is Saved you have a new Name !
ACTS 13:9 yes, also called Paul. but we do not call him Saul do we.
Only an idiot would regard Saul as in his past is only a Bastard ! because all people before they are Saved are under a Curse !
So for anyone to claim different, is as ACTS 13:10 points out regarding.
David Lamb
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Thanks, it seems we are in agreement on the fact that we human beings don't make Jesus become Christ. I don't agree that "the first Christians they were the Jew who were worthy of God in fact". The bible teaches that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Nobody is worthy of God. That is why we need a Saviour.
In the OT you see people were cast out !
Same deal in the NT ? as Bible points out who can enter into the Kingdom of God ! one has to be worthy of God in fact, or one is not worthy in fact !
When you look at the List ? you understand why such can not enter ! for they are not worthy !
It's called Abiding in Christ Jesus ! for one who is With and the other is not !
Remember one killed his Brother and God put a Mark on him in fact ! he was a marked man, now no one was to kill him, but he was let to snap out of it and turn to God ! but the ego of one who does not Serve is that of a dog with rabies ! an Abomination !
That's why we are called ! not to be just a Godless stupid foolish Bastard, that stabs people for their own ego.
But to have the Gift of Grace ! Gods People in fact.
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David Lamb
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Sorry, .but to me that doesn't make sense. First of all, to be cast out in the Old Testament, a person would have to be "in" to start with, like the Israelites who were God's chosen people in the OT. Not so in the gospel in the New Testament. Jesus said:
““All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” (Joh 6:37 NKJV)
Regarding worthiness, we are not told that we can make ourselves worthy - that is impossible. That is why we need a Saviour. That is why the apostle Paul wrote as he did about his own unworthiness:
“8 Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 ¶ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;” (Php 3:8-9 NKJV)
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