The incarnation of the davar / logos of the one God of Israel

[Matthias]

“And the word was made flesh and dwelt among us. And we saw the glory of it, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father, which word was full of grace and truth.”

(John 1:14, NMB)

The incarnation; the word was made flesh -> Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, Son of the living God.

 

[Matthias]

“And the word was made man, and dwelled among us, and we have seen the glory of him, as the glory of the one begotten Son of the Father, full of grace and of truth. [And the word, that is, God’s Son, is made flesh, or man, and hath dwelled in us, and we have seen the glory of him, the glory as of the one begotten of the Father, the Son full of grace and truth.]

(John 1:14, WYC)

Begotten.

This should bring to mind for us the birth narratives presented in Matthew 1 and Luke 1. John 1 harmonizes with what Matthew and Luke wrote.

 

[Matthias]

“So the word of God became a human being and lived among us. We saw his splendor (the splendor as of a father’s only son), full of grace and truth.”

(John 1:14, PHILLIPS)

This is John, a Jewish monotheist, drawing upon his Hebraic background, speaking about the incarnation, the enfleshment, the davar (Heb.) / logos (Gk.) of the one God of Israel.

 

[dak]

Shalom Matthias.

Most if not all of the scrolls and fragments discovered at Khirbet Qumran were found to have been made with either lamb skins or goat skins or a combination of both, which are of course flesh, albeit animal flesh. And there is evidence that the same was probably true of the first Torah scrolls, (made from lamb skins). These things are pointed at even from the simple typology-analogy speaking of the one-of-a-kind Son of Elohim as the Lamb of Elohim. The spoken-then-written (Rhema) Torah of Elohim is replete with Logos, (understanding, by hearing diligently with intelligence and circumspection).

So then, John 1:14 may also be reckoned in the following manner: as soon as Mosheh began to write, the Rhema written word which contains the Logos within became flesh. Anyone may see the Rhema with the physical-natural eyes of the flesh of man: but the Logos cannot seen with eyes of flesh because the Logos is Spirit.

At least that's my two-sense for now.

 

[David Lamb]

Shalom Matthias.

Most if not all of the scrolls and fragments discovered at Khirbet Qumran were found to have been made with either lamb skins or goat skins or a combination of both, which are of course flesh, albeit animal flesh. And there is evidence that the same was probably true of the first Torah scrolls, (made from lamb skins). These things are pointed at even from the simple typology-analogy speaking of the one-of-a-kind Son of Elohim as the Lamb of Elohim. The spoken-then-written (Rhema) Torah of Elohim is replete with Logos, (understanding, by hearing diligently with intelligence and circumspection).

So then, John 1:14 may also be reckoned in the following manner: as soon as Mosheh began to write, the Rhema written word which contains the Logos within became flesh. Anyone may see the Rhema with the physical-natural eyes of the flesh of man: but the Logos cannot seen with eyes of flesh because the Logos is Spirit.

At least that's my two-sense for now.

But the verse you refer to has the writer, John, saying that this Word became flesh and dwelt among "us". He continues to say that we (he and the other disciples) beheld His glory. The skins of dead lambs and goats don't dwell among people. If we look at verse 14 together with verse 15, it is clear that dead animal skins are not meant:

“14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 ¶ John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”” (Joh 1:14-15 NKJV)

 

[Matthias]

Shalom Matthias.

Most if not all of the scrolls and fragments discovered at Khirbet Qumran were found to have been made with either lamb skins or goat skins or a combination of both, which are of course flesh, albeit animal flesh. And there is evidence that the same was probably true of the first Torah scrolls, (made from lamb skins). These things are pointed at even from the simple typology-analogy speaking of the one-of-a-kind Son of Elohim as the Lamb of Elohim. The spoken-then-written (Rhema) Torah of Elohim is replete with Logos, (understanding, by hearing diligently with intelligence and circumspection).

So then, John 1:14 may also be reckoned in the following manner: as soon as Mosheh began to write, the Rhema written word which contains the Logos within became flesh. Anyone may see the Rhema with the physical-natural eyes of the flesh of man: but the Logos cannot seen with eyes of flesh because the Logos is Spirit.

At least that's my two-sense for now.

Welcome to the forum.

What you’ve expressed resonates with me to a certain extent as it preserves the Messiah’s own belief in and reliance on his God and Father, the God of Israel.

 

[Matthias]

The prologue in John’s Gospel as presented in the Geneva Bible beautifully illustrates the point in the OP.

”In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. This same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and that life was the light of men. And that life shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”

(John 1:1-5)

Jesus of Nazareth is the embodiment of that word.

The recognition of this translation preserves the Jewish monotheism of John and of Jesus.

 

[dak]

But the verse you refer to has the writer, John, saying that this Word became flesh and dwelt among "us". He continues to sway that we (he and the other disciples" beheld His glory. The skins of dead lambs and goats don't dwell among people. If we look at verse 14 together with verse 15, it is clear that dead animal skins are not meant:

It actually says tabernacled among us, (G4637 σκηνόω), and that may be seen in any modern synagogue to this day wherein the Torah is placed inside the ark of the Torah which itself is paced in a surrounding tabernacle type structure, or box, at the head of the congregation. If you wish to believe that a Torah scroll is nothing more than dead animal flesh that's certainly your prerogative. Every panel is stitched to its neighbor like brethren, whose hearts are stitched together as one, (stitched with hairs white as wool).

“14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 ¶ John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”” (Joh 1:14-15 NKJV)

Yes, and in like manner 1 John 1:1-3, and why would anyone deny that the Torah came before John?

 

[dak]

The prologue in John’s Gospel as presented in the Geneva Bible beautifully illustrates the point in the OP.

”In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. This same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. In it was life, and that life was the light of men. And that life shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”

(John 1:1-5)

Jesus of Nazareth is the embodiment of that word.

The recognition of this translation preserves the Jewish monotheism of John and of Jesus.

In Adoptionism, (my so-called label, if you will), there are several variant forms, and I'm just saying this to begin with so as to make it clear that I am not of the type of Adoptionism that tends toward and eventually ends up in Arianism. This is because I see a difference between the one-and-only one-of-a-kind beloved Son and the Meshiah, Anointed One and-or Chosen One. The one-of-a-kind Son is the very Anointing upon the Anointed One or Chosen One. Gen 1:1-5, Mat 3:16-17, Luk 4:18.

The Testimony of the Meshiah is Spirit and Life, (John 6:63), and thus his Testimony which was given to him from heaven, (John 3:27, with its surrounding context), is Spirit. That Testimony is the one-of-a-kind beloved Son of Elohim, even the Testimony of the Almighty, YHWH, and His Son is the anointing, the Spirit, Ruach Elohim, placed upon the Meshiah in the Matthew immersion account, (imho).