Is it possible to lose salvation?

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Salvation is Jesus on the Cross.
This can't be "lost"......it can only be RECEIVED by Faith.

Notice reader that there are no verses in any bible that say you can be "unborn again".
There are no verses in any bible that say that Jesus will leave you...but there is one that says He never will.

Dont you believe this?......Does He lie?

Its like this.
If you are born again, and you went to Hell,......... then God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, would go with you, as they are in you, and you are in Them, forever.

The born again, is SEALED by the Holy Spirit.....and that is going to last for as long as the Holy Spirit exists.

If you believe you can lose your salvation, then its because you have no faith in Christ to keep you saved, which means that you dont understand that the finished work of Jesus on the Cross is finished, and if you have it, then you are "complete in Him" and forever.

 

[GodsGrace]

No you have not

Paul said no works period

James appears to say works

they both can not be right.. using your interpretation of james

Yes

Faith not works

I do accept it

I am saved by grace through faith. NOT OF WORKS

Your argument fails

If it is grace it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace

Your argument fails

Not by works of righteousness which I have done (good deeds) but by his mercy, he saved us

Your argument fails

But even without those.

Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4

yes.
big problem here since James said
Abraham was saved by WORKS PLUS FAITH.

And 2 Peter 2:20-24

a dog RETURNS to his vomit...
RETURNS

sorry cant post the verses but you'll know them.

I'll bet you could twist those verses to your liking to.

i dont even need to comment.
peter knew what he wanted to communicate to believers.

Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

You have james and paul apposed to each other

You need to solve the contradiction

Again, I have..

Believe and faith are not the same

I can believe and not have faith. But I can not have faith and not belief

if you believe you're a believer and are saved.
If you have faith youre saved.

one is a verb and one is a noun

Eigher will get you saved.

those peopel did not have faith..

nice try.. Yes, you have spend hours. and have not proved a thing other than you have the word contradicting itself.

Perhaps YOU are causing conflict with bad theology.

 

[GodsGrace]

its against human nature to admit you can not do anything to save yourself.. and actually live that out..

Jesus said you must do something yourself.

Matthew 7
THOSE that DO the will of the Father will see heaven.

DO.
That requires action on our part.

 

[Behold]

Matthew 7
THOSE that DO the will of the Father will see heaven.

The will of God is that you Believe in Jesus, whom God sent.

That is what you must "do" to gain eternal life which is eternal security.

 

[GodsGrace]

Oh they can't?

Paul said we are saved by grace Not of works. but those saved WILL DO WORKS

James said if I say I have faith. but do not have the works that paul said EVERYONE who has faith has. then my faith is dead.

hence I was never saved by faith.

they are in complete agreement

2. Paul audience was a legalist who thought they had to add works to the gospel of grace. where James was talking to people who we would call licentious. who think because I believe or say I have faith, I am saved forever and can live however i want..

they are both in total agreement, the context of who they are talking to makes it appear they contradict when they do not.





Nice try..

James said faith without works is dead.
Jesus said those that DO the will of the Father will see heaven.
DO
Action.

So easy to grasp

 

[GodsGrace]

The will of God is that you Believe in Jesus, whom God sent.

That is what you must "do" to gain eternal life which is eternal security.

You have the same problem as EG and all who teach this OSAS idea.

What does BELIEVE mean?

 

[GodsGrace]

The will of God is that you Believe in Jesus, whom God sent.

That is what you must "do" to gain eternal life which is eternal security.

Jesus said those who love Him will keep His Commandments.
John 14;15

WHICH Commandments would those be?

 

[Behold]

You have the same problem as EG and all who teach this OSAS idea.

What does BELIEVE mean?

I dont teach "OSAS".

This teaching originated with Unsaved Jews, and it was their accusation against Paul.

In modern times, you find that Legalists, have the same theology, as those unsaved Jews.

I only teach Paul's Theology.
And much of this is related to why Christianity is eternal.
See, the Believer is kept saved exactly as they were saved to begin with, and that is not of yourself.

 

[Behold]

Jesus said those who love Him will keep His Commandments.
John 14;15

WHICH Commandments would those be?

Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
He never said.....>If you keep my commandments you are a Christian.

Notice this yet?

 

[GodsGrace]

I dont teach "OSAS".

This teaching originated with Unsaved Jews, and it was their accusation against Paul.

In modern times, you find that Legalists, have the same theology, as those unsaved Jews.

I only teach Paul's Theology.
And much of this is related to why Christianity is eternal.
See, the Believer is kept saved exactly as they were saved to begin with, and that is not of yourself.

Of course you teach OSAS


You deny and reject the teachings of Jesus and Paul.

But must leave now.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
He never said.....>If you keep my commandments you are a Christian.

Notice this yet?

What?

Behold
If you love Jesus
You're a Christian.

If you love Jesus you keep his Commandments.

Bye for now.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus said if you love me you will keep my commandments.
He never said.....>If you keep my commandments you are a Christian.

Notice this yet?

Do non Christians keep God's commandments???

 

[Behold]

Of course you teach OSAS

OSAS.......is a cunning Jewish Religious Leadership deception, that is 2000 yrs old... whereby they redefine God's Grace, as : "licentiousness".
In other words.......they created this mind blindng demonic teaching that causes a person to perceive "God's Grace" as...>>"you can live in sin".. . so that keeps them from understanding God's Grace correclty.
Thats the Goal of the "OSAS" Lie.

That is the actual definiation of OSAS,.........and who created it.

If you had deeply studied Paul's Teachings, and the little book by JUDE........you would have read that JUDE is the Apostle who gives the revelation regarding what OSAS means.
He talks about those jewish deceivers who came into the early church and twisted God's Grace, so that weak believers...who are self righteous, will become deceived by their teaching.

You deny and reject the teachings of Jesus and Paul.

The reason you post innuendo , wiith no quotes is because , You're carnal, and you just want to go from forum to forum ranting your little obsession with..... "i can lose my salvation, and so can you".
This is your entire reason to be on a forum. Its to find a OSAS Type Thread, and live on it.
You're on one now.... @GodsGrace ,
You should consider getting a better ministry, as that one is not of God.

 

[Behold]

If you love Jesus
You're a Christian.

No.

If you are born again, you are a Christian... and that is not water baptism.

See, you dont understand Salvation, at all......and that is why you believe it can be lost.

 

[Behold]

Do non Christians keep God's commandments???

A lot of people who are disciples of Christ.........who are not born again......worry about commandment keeping.

Whereas a real Christian knows that Jesus said that keeping all the commandments, is done by "LOVE".

Loving God with all your heart.
Loving your neighbor.
Loving the Brethren.

 

[nedsk]

until you read paul. who says the apposite.

then you would think we have to respolve the conflict.

You do not resolve it by continuing to post one, and ignoring the other

Cite where Paul says "faith alone". Show it or stop saying it

 

[nedsk]

Justified to whom? God already knows whether He has justified you or not, wouldn't you agree?

James speaks of what others can see.

There is being justified by God, that is, made righteous. And there is being justified to man, who cannot see your faith, and can only see your works.

This passage speaks about what others see, not what God sees.

James 2:18 KJV
18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Much love!

Silliness. What other people see is utterly irrelevant. If faith alone was sufficient there is no reason for James to write, faith is completed by works and that a man is saved by works AND not by "faith alone". You people just ignore what you dont like.

 

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Silliness. What other people see is utterly irrelevant.

I'm simply pointing out what this passage actually says. Take it or leave it, but you should receive it.

Much love!

 

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a man is saved by works AND not by "faith alone"

James 2:14-17 KJV
14) What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

This does not say works save. It tells us that saving faith has works. If there are no works, there is no saving faith. Remember, James and Paul do not contradict each other.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

James 2:14-17 KJV
14) What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15) If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16) And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17) Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

This does not say works save. It tells us that saving faith has works. If there are no works, there is no saving faith. Remember, James and Paul do not contradict each other.

Much love!

Wheres v24? What does it say? You people are obstinent

You're the one struggling to reconcile the two. Paul tells us faith is NECESSARY not sufficient and James tell us faith is COMPLETED by works. Perfect harmony