Is it possible to lose salvation?

[pandaflower]

Ephesians 1:13-14
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.


If someone believes that a Christian can lose their salvation they are mistaken.

The seal of the holy spirit is eternal.

 

[marks]

Wheres v24? What does it say? You people are obstinent

You're the one struggling to reconcile the two.

Make it personal then like so many do who lack cogent arguments.

There is no struggle to reconcile, only if you think works save you.

Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV
8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

God's word is clear.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

Wheres v24? What does it say? You people are obstinent

 

[nedsk]

Make it personal then like so many do who lack cogent arguments.

There is no struggle to reconcile, only if you think works save you.

Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV
8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

God's word is clear.

Much love!

What I need you to do right now is copy and paste where I said works saves. What did i say works do? What does James say works do? You arent arguing with me

 

[nedsk]

Ephesians 1:13-14
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.


If someone believes that a Christian can lose their salvation they are mistaken.

The seal of the holy spirit is eternal.

So I can rob banks. Cool

 

[marks]

What I need you to do right now is copy and paste where I said works saves. What did i say works do? What does James say works do? You arent arguing with me

Silliness. What other people see is utterly irrelevant. If faith alone was sufficient there is no reason for James to write, faith is completed by works and that a man is saved by works AND not by "faith alone".

You people just ignore what you dont like.

You people.

Still making it personal. Why do you feel the need to do that? You don't have to answer me, I'm thinking I know, but do you?

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

You people.

Still making it personal. Why do you feel the need to do that? You don't have to answer me, I'm thinking I know, but do you?

Much love!

Its not personal. its an observation. You need to get over it. Answer what?

Paul tells us we need a car. James tells us we need a car with an motor otherwise we go NOWHERE. The words are plain and simple. You ignore them. Thats not my fault.

 

[marks]

So I can rob banks. Cool

Is that what you want to do?? Seriously?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Its not personal. its an observation.

You're kidding, right?

You are making a personal observation though you've never met me, you don't actually know me, and you've overgeneralize me into some group you imagine.

That's what goes nowhere in a forum discussion.

Don't worry, I'm over it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Paul tells us we need a car. James tells us we need a car with an motor otherwise we go NOWHERE. The words are plain and simple. You ignore them. Thats not my fault.

That's a pretty poor misrepresentation of what they said.

Paul wrote that we are saved by grace and not by works. James wrote that our works show our faith to others.

Do you believe in a God who is not able to discern who His children are?

Peronally, I think He knows.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

Is that what you want to do?? Seriously?

Much love!

Its amazing how adept some people are avoiding the point.

 

[nedsk]

That's a pretty poor misrepresentation of what they said.

Paul wrote that we are saved by grace and not by works. James wrote that our works show our faith to others.

Do you believe in a God who is not able to discern who His children are?

Peronally, I think He knows.

Much love!

Copy and paste from scripture where James says works "show" our faith. Do it now.

 

[marks]

Copy and paste from scripture where James says works "show" out faith. Do it now.

You can read it for yourself, I've already done that.

Its amazing how adept some people are avoiding the point.

I've already answered all these things. This is how you are deflecting.

Much love!

 

[pandaflower]

You people.

Still making it personal. Why do you feel the need to do that? You don't have to answer me, I'm thinking I know, but do you?

Much love!

I was accused of saying the same thing. Works save. Though it was by a different account holder.

 

[nedsk]

You can read it for yourself, I've already done that.


I've already answered all these things. This is how you are deflecting.

Much love!

No you made the claim now prove it. You wont because you cant.

No you havent. James says we are saved by works and not faith alone. Period

 

[nedsk]

I was accused of saying the same thing. Works save. Though it was by a different account holder.

Works dont save they complete faith that does save. Thats why James says faith without works is dead.

 

[ProDeo]

Paul said I HAVE BEEN SAVED ( a completed action ) By Grace (alone) through faith, but it is not of myself. not of works lest anyone should boast.

He then tells those who are saved, We are created ANEW in Christ for good works (God has a plan for us) and we should walk in them

and we should walk in them

Correct.....

And if we don't, are not obedient, we don't walk the walk, then what happens with our saved state?

We are cut off, right?

Are we out?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

yes.
big problem here since James said
Abraham was saved by WORKS PLUS FAITH.

And 2 Peter 2:20-24

a dog RETURNS to his vomit...
RETURNS

I think we have hit an impass

You are trapped with your pet verses.. You keep quoting James. yet ignore Paul. You not only failed to resolve the contradiction. you keeep forcing it on the passage.

Yes. A dog RETURNS TO HIS VOMIT.

why?

He is stilla DOG. He was never made into a new creature. he returned to what he was. A non believer.

I proved to you a contradiction between james and John

1. You said James did nto say people claimed or said they had faith
I proved you wrong

2. I put James and Paul together (romans 4 and James 2) and asked you to solve the contradiction.

You responded that my interpretation contradicts James,, which using your interpretation of James. yes it does.

I then resolved the contradiction. By showing you the context of who paul was talking to. And what he said about works. and showing you the context of james. and how James spoke of those same works.

Your stuck on OSAS. You can not see beyond it. Your attacking some 4 letter word that someone made up and are unable to see past that.

Until you do.. or until you let go of your anti calvin bias. or pro catholic bias. I am afraid you will not see.

I will pray for you

We had beautiful weather yesterday.. Supposed to be great today also.. Hope your day is blessed

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jesus said you must do something yourself.

Matthew 7
THOSE that DO the will of the Father will see heaven.

DO.
That requires action on our part.

Yes we must do

We must

1. Repent
2. Receive him in faith

who gets credit for us doing these two things? Us or God?

Did Not Jesus say it was the work of God we DO these things.

The cross is sufficient, not only this, it is the only means

the wage of sin is death.. The wage of sin is not being baptized or doing Gods commands.

Your dead because you failed to do good or obey every command.

Your trying to do good to make u0p for the time you failed. will not help you.

This is religion.. Not scripture

 

[nedsk]

Yes we must do

We must

1. Repent
2. Receive him in faith

who gets credit for us doing these two things? Us or God?

Did Not Jesus say it was the work of God we DO these things.

The cross is sufficient, not only this, it is the only means

the wage of sin is death.. The wage of sin is not being baptized or doing Gods commands.

Your dead because you failed to do good or obey every command.

Your trying to do good to make u0p for the time you failed. will not help you.

This is religion.. Not scripture

The cross is sufficient to make salvation available you have to complete your salvation by works just as James said. You want to insist something is true that isnt. You haven't the foggiest idea what sufficient means