Is it possible to lose salvation?

[nedsk]

Paul said no works are required you have them att odds

This is fruit bearing and earning rewards.

Salvation can not be earned.

Yes he did amen To bad man has polluted it

Just like admission to the movie theater that Jesus paid for you its not earned but just because you show up at the door of the theater you have to be appropriate to enter. You don't get to waltz in just because it's an "unearned gift" You people crack me up

 

[GodsGrace]

If faith alone was sufficient, what James worte is completely asinine. So you think James is asinine. Great

BTW I waiting for the verse where Paul says you are saved by "faith alone". Oh right he never does. He says faith saves but "completed" faith includes works just as James says. James ceases to be asinine in that case. LMBO you people are special

Faith alone is mentioned only once in Scripture and it's in the negative!

Please post it...can't do on a phone.
James 2;24

 

[nedsk]

Faith alone is mentioned only once in Scripture and it's in the negative!

Please post it...can't do on a phone.
James 2;24

17 In the same way, faith by itself is dead if it does not have works.

20 You fool! Do you want proof that faith without works is futile? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 Thus, you can see that his faith and his works were active together; his faith was brought to completion by works.

24 You can see, then, that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone

25 Likewise, Rahab the prostitute,[e] was she not also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them away by a different road? 26 For just as the body is dead without a spirit, so faith without works is also dead.

 

[GodsGrace]

17 In the same way, faith by itself is dead if it does not have works.

20 You fool! Do you want proof that faith without works is futile? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 Thus, you can see that his faith and his works were active together; his faith was brought to completion by works.

24 You can see, then, that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone

25 Likewise, Rahab the prostitute,[e] was she not also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them away by a different road? 26 For just as the body is dead without a spirit, so faith without works is also dead.

A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS
AND
NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

NOT
BY FAITH ALONE.

 

[nedsk]

A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS
AND
NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

NOT
BY FAITH ALONE.

You would think that's pretty straight forward wouldn't you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have resolved it brother.

No you have not

Paul said no works period

James appears to say works

they both can not be right.. using your interpretation of james

Each of your favorite new list of verses has the word BELIEVE in it.

Yes

Faith not works

And there's the catch you won't accept.
Not going thru it AGAIN.

I do accept it

I am saved by grace through faith. NOT OF WORKS

Your argument fails

If it is grace it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace

Your argument fails

Not by works of righteousness which I have done (good deeds) but by his mercy, he saved us

Your argument fails

But even without those.

Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

You have james and paul apposed to each other

You need to solve the contradiction

Again, I have..

Spent an hour on the reply to you last time.

Jesus said faith can be temporary.
Luke 8:13
They believed FOR A WHILE.
And then they FELL AWAY.

You just won't accept it.

Believe and faith are not the same

I can believe and not have faith. But I can not have faith and not belief

those peopel did not have faith..

nice try.. Yes, you have spend hours. and have not proved a thing other than you have the word contradicting itself.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's not polluted here!

I do not mean polution as in air polution. I mean the earth is polluted.. with sin and its consequences

 

[Eternally Grateful]

But I agree that man has.

sadly it will just get worse

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If faith alone was sufficient, what James worte is completely asinine. So you think James is asinine. Great

Good God

James was speaking to people who SAID they had faith, but HAD NO WORKS.

He told them to TEST their faith BY THEIR WORKS.

Your stuck on james my friend.. You have james and paul at odds.. You better find out why

BTW I waiting for the verse where Paul says you are saved by "faith alone". Oh right he never does. He says faith saves but "completed" faith includes works just as James says. James ceases to be asinine in that case. LMBO you people are special

Um no


Paul said I HAVE BEEN SAVED ( a completed action ) By Grace (alone) through faith, but it is not of myself. not of works lest anyone should boast.

He then tells those who are saved, We are created ANEW in Christ for good works (God has a plan for us) and we should walk in them

James said if you CLAIM you are saved by grace through faith. But do not have the works Paul said YOU WILL HAVE

then your not saved..

again, You have them at odds..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Faith alone is mentioned only once in Scripture and it's in the negative!

Please post it...can't do on a phone.
James 2;24

Faith minus works = faith alone

Grace through faith not of ourselves equals faith alone

Not by works which we did. but by his mercy, equals anything but works.

The word trinity is not found in scripture either. But you believe this doctrine do you not?

stop buying into the catholic lie and using their excuses. they have led you astray

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Just like admission to the movie theater that Jesus paid for you its not earned but just because you show up at the door of the theater you have to be appropriate to enter. You don't get to waltz in just because it's an "unearned gift" You people crack me up

Jesus saved you were you stand, you did not have to walk to a church, a cathedral. a baptismal. or anyplace.

he saved you the moment you call out in faith

The pharisee pumped his chest. praising God of all his works (he is not like the sinner) The tax collector fell to his knees..

who went home justified?

certainly not the religious pharisee

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS
AND
NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

NOT
BY FAITH ALONE.

4 What then shall we say THAT ABRAHAM OUR FATHER WAS FOUND ACCORDING TO THE FLESH 2 ForIF ABRAHAM WAS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, HE HAS SOMETHIGN TO BOAST ABOUT but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 NOW TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT AS DEBT

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK BUT BELIEVE IN HIM WHO JUSTIFIED THE UNGOLDY, HIS FAITH IS COUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS, 6 just as David also describes the BLESSEDNESS OF THE MAN TO WHOME GOD IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS APART FROM (WITHOUT) WORKS blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

RESOLVE THE CONFLICT.

READ WHAT YOU POSTED THAT JAMES SAID, AND THEN READ WHAT PAUL SAID

THE ARE APPOSED TO EACH OTHER USING YOUR INTERPRETATION OF JAMES

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You would think that's pretty straight forward wouldn't you?

until you read paul. who says the apposite.

then you would think we have to respolve the conflict.

You do not resolve it by continuing to post one, and ignoring the other

 

[GRACE ambassador]

'lose' salvation?
Precious friends, especially "new-born [ "Grace Through faith { Alone! } ] babes In Christ!

1) Is The BLOOD Of Christ All-Sufficient For God's Eternal Salvation?

a) If it is Not, then : Yes, one can 'lose' salvation.​

​

b) Since His BLOOD Is ALL-Sufficient For The Infinite Payment For "The Penalty of sin", then: ​

even a 'new-born' "child Of God" can Accept The Biblical Fact That: ​

​

"we, do NOT" 'make ourselves acceptable' To God:​

​

"To The Praise of The Glory of His Grace, Wherein HE Hath Made us Accepted in The Beloved.​

In Whom we Have Redemption Through His BLOOD, The Forgiveness of sins, according to The​

Riches of His Grace" (Ephesians 1:6-7 AV)​

​

+​

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
+ Update
+
God's Eternal Assurance
+
God's Eternal Life Insurance

Conclusion: Hardly Redemption 'by our { finite } works!' Agreed?

quote from previously: "...pretty straight forward..."?​

​

Perchance one is seeking God's Truth, we will be praying for such an one to have God's:

Grace, Peace, Mercy, and Love! ( shows The THREE Tenses Of God's Eternal Salvation! )

Amen.



Because Of God's ALL-SUFFICIENT BLOOD:

 

[marks]

You would think that's pretty straight forward wouldn't you?

Justified to whom? God already knows whether He has justified you or not, wouldn't you agree?

James speaks of what others can see.

There is being justified by God, that is, made righteous. And there is being justified to man, who cannot see your faith, and can only see your works.

This passage speaks about what others see, not what God sees.

James 2:18 KJV
18) Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.​

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."​

(James 5:19-20).​

This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)​

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

Blessings.

It is important not to confuse the times of this world with the acts of God toward salvation. As the whole matter is finished in God before any fraction of days of revelation begin. In other words, life in this world is not to determine ones salvation, but is a revelation of what was before the world began (just as the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world). Which is not to say, that we do not have freewill, but rather that we already had it (past tense) and our now just walking it out (or as it is written: "working out our own salvation") as a witness of ourselves before the Judgement. Which come like growing pains and labor pains of our being formed as we are.

Just as salvation was attained by Christ before the world began, and is forever, so is our salvation. For if we are actually [ever] "in Christ"--the question then of whether or not we can lose our salvation, is an accusation against Christ. For which there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[pandaflower]

No you have not

Paul said no works period

James appears to say works

they both can not be right.. using your interpretation of james

Yes

Faith not works

I do accept it

I am saved by grace through faith. NOT OF WORKS

Your argument fails

If it is grace it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace

Your argument fails

Not by works of righteousness which I have done (good deeds) but by his mercy, he saved us

Your argument fails

But even without those.

Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

You have james and paul apposed to each other

You need to solve the contradiction

Again, I have..

Believe and faith are not the same

I can believe and not have faith. But I can not have faith and not belief

those peopel did not have faith..

nice try.. Yes, you have spend hours. and have not proved a thing other than you have the word contradicting itself.

The ego of flesh is trying to justify its self deification.

They have James and Paul in opposition because they have no understanding of either.

Our faith alone,without serving God,is vacant. It isn't of God.

That's what James and Paul are saying.

 

[GodsGrace]

No you have not

Paul said no works period

James appears to say works

they both can not be right.. using your interpretation of james

Yes

Faith not works

I do accept it

I am saved by grace through faith. NOT OF WORKS

Your argument fails

If it is grace it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace

Your argument fails

Not by works of righteousness which I have done (good deeds) but by his mercy, he saved us

Your argument fails

But even without those.

Rom 4:
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

David Celebrates the Same Truth​

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

You have james and paul apposed to each other

You need to solve the contradiction

Again, I have..

Believe and faith are not the same

I can believe and not have faith. But I can not have faith and not belief

those peopel did not have faith..

nice try.. Yes, you have spend hours. and have not proved a thing other than you have the word contradicting itself.

They both cannot be right using your interpretation of Paul.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They both cannot be right using your interpretation of Paul.

Oh they can't?

Paul said we are saved by grace Not of works. but those saved WILL DO WORKS

James said if I say I have faith. but do not have the works that paul said EVERYONE who has faith has. then my faith is dead.

hence I was never saved by faith.

they are in complete agreement

2. Paul audience was a legalist who thought they had to add works to the gospel of grace. where James was talking to people who we would call licentious. who think because I believe or say I have faith, I am saved forever and can live however i want..

they are both in total agreement, the context of who they are talking to makes it appear they contradict when they do not.





Nice try..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The ego of flesh is trying to justify its self deification.

They have James and Paul in opposition because they have no understanding of either.

Our faith alone,without serving God,is vacant. It isn't of God.

That's what James and Paul are saying.

its against human nature to admit you can not do anything to save yourself.. and actually live that out..