Justification from everlasting !

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Point 2

2. The elect were by God considered and viewed in Christ from everlasting; which is excellently expressed by Dr. Thomas Goodwin in these words:

"Look, as God did not, in his decrees about creation, consider the body of Adam singly and apart from his soul, nor yet the soul without the body (I speak of his creation and state thereby) neither should either so much as exist, but as the one in the other: so nor Christ and his church in election, which gave the first existence to Christ as a head, and to the church as his body, which each had in God's decrees." Exposition of the First Chapter of the Epistle to the Ephesians, London, 1681, Pt. 1, p. 72.

Now as God considers His elect in Christ, they are either objects of condemnation, or Justification. The former must be denied, and therefore the latter evidently follows; except, as God beholds the elect in Christ, they are neither objects of condemnation, nor Justification; which is an absurdity that none will admit.

There is no doubt that God viewed His Chosen In Christ before the Foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 2

 

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Point # 3

Eph 1:3-4

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The Elect were blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ before the foundation of the world, and therefore with Justification, for that is a spiritual blessing !

It was then they were taken into covenant relationship with and in Him, to be God's peculiar people, and were thereby eternally Justified in Him from all things. It was then that Christ their Chosen Head became their Surety, and covenanted to pay all their sin debts as Justice due, for the sin they shall commit in Adam along with all the sins they shall commit after their personal manifestation into the world !

This Grace by which they are Eternally Justified, was given to them In Christ [Their Surety Head and Mediator] before the world began,2 Tim 1:9, from Everlasting, because from everlasting God Loved them in Christ Jer 31:3 and made them accepted in Him Eph 1:6 ! 2

 

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Point 4

When Christ, as a surety, engaged for the elect, they were Justified. "At the same time in which Christ became a surety for us, and our sins were imputed to him, we were absolved from guilt, and reputed just; that is, actively justified:" Which was from everlasting, or before the foundation of the world.

I believe God the Father constituted His Son a Surety in the Counsel of the Everlasting Covenant Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Prov 8:22-23,31

22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

31Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. 3

 

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Point 5

God eternally decreed not to punish sin in his people, but in his Son. His decree to punish sin in his Son, includes his will to impute it to him; and his purpose not to punish it in his elect, takes in his will not to impute it to them, and must be their Justification from all sin in his sight.

I believe this is why Paul wrote 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

This has to do with God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

This Eternal Purpose in Christ is the same as the Everlasting Covenant with Christ, and God never purposed to impute sins to the Elect, but upon Christ, so this was their Justification !

 

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6. "Christ's atonement and bearing sin was in the eye of God from eternity, as if already done: hence the patriarchs were actually and personally justified by it,"

as Dr. Isaac Chauncy well observes. Neonomianism Unmasked, London, 1692, Part 2, p. 53. Therefore why may it not be concluded that the elect were justified from everlasting, since God had the atonement of Christ then in His eye? I should be glad to see these arguments thoroughly examined, and solidly refuted, if they do not sufficiently prove what they are brought for.

We know this point to be True because of such scriptures as 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 3

 

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Because of Suretyship !

Justification before the foundation for the Elect of God is True because of Christ's Suretyship in the Everlasting Covenant Heb 7:22

22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

This is Pre Creation within the Eternal Purpose Eph 3:11

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

Also called the Everlasting Covenant, Christ the Lamb slain from the foundation Rev 13:8, He agreed and took upon Himself all the sins of the Elect to sponsor, hence it was God's Purpose not to charge them [sins and lawbreaking] against His Elect, but confirmed Christ's Suretyship, therefore He became the main debtor to God's Law and Justice for their sins, and they being made free from any and all accountability, for themselves to satisfy God's Law and Justice ! To deny this Justification is to deny a foundational blessing of Christ's Suretyship for His Sheep !

 

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The Fruit of Eternal Justification !

As the fruit of Eternal Justification, there will be subsequent declarations of Justification and or manifestations of Justification. For example, the Resurrection of Jesus Christ as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep, declares that the Sheep are Justified Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.

So The Resurrection declares Eternal Justification because the sins Christ died for, He was given Suretyship of them before the World began,

And Faith declares the sinner Justified as they receive experimental peace and joy and spiritual Knowledge of Justification by Faith Rom 5:1

But these are fruits of Eternal Justification !

 

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Justification from Eternity !

Where the man of sin ministers and followers greatly error, is they fail to understand the origin of ones Justification before God, in the Eternal Mind of God, for it is God that Justifieth Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

And as it is God's act, it is immutable from Everlasting, founded upon the Covenant Engagements of the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ, hence Justification from Eternity, because its origin is an act of God's Mind, which acts are Eternal and Immutable, not subject to change Mal 3:6

For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

There is also a Justification at the Resurrection of Jesus Christ , the Covenant head raised from the dead Rom 4:25, and this being a more clearer revelation of the Immutability of His Eternal act of Justification, and then of course at the time of New birth, there is another revealing of God's Eternal act of Justification, in the conscience of the redeemed one, which this is Justification by Faith ! Rom 5:1; Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 3

 

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Justification from Eternity !

God's Purpose and Will not to punish sin in the Elect is their Justification from all sin, for God's Purpose not to punish sin in His Elect is Revealed in His Purpose of Christ's Death before the World began, Rev 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain[For the sins of the Elect] from the foundation of the world.

1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained[To Be slain for sin] before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

These scriptures reveal a valuable FACT that God not never at one Time before the foundation of the World purposed to punish the sins of the Elect in them, hence He never imputed them [their sins] to their charge, this non imputation of their sins from before the foundation of the world, was their acquittal and Justification from all sin from the foundation of the World, for we read of the blessedness of non imputation here Rom 4:7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

 

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Justification from everlasting ! continued

So Christ coming to die for His People is the fruition of the everlasting covenant. His coming was an act of mercy, in that He would give himself, his soul an offering for sin, for the transgressions of God's People.

Jesus Offered His prepared BODY, it’s Life (Blood)…unto Death for the Life of the World.

No…
Jesus DID NOT give His SOUL or His SPIRIT unto Death.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Glory to God,
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Jesus Offered His prepared BODY, it’s Life (Blood)…unto Death for the Life of the World.

No…
Jesus DID NOT give His SOUL or His SPIRIT unto Death.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Glory to God,
Taken

Rabbit trail

 

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Rabbit trail

Offering His body is expressly clear.
You being reminded and Scripturally validated, and still want to stick to your words regarding His soul…
No reflection on me.

 

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Offering His body is expressly clear.
You being reminded and Scripturally validated, and still want to stick to your words regarding His soul…
No reflection on me.

Posts 88-89 u understand them ?

 

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Posts 88-89 u understand them ?

My comment was expressly disagreeing with The Lords Soul Dying. rather it was His Prepared Body He gave unto death.

88-89 you speak of Justification “effected”from the beginning.

I do not agree.
I believe GOD is All Knowing…
He knows Who Will and Will Not spend Eternity WITH Him ( Before the person knows.
It is not called Justification, Rather called pre-destiny / predestination.

God created / formed / forms mans Body AND THEN Made/Makes Mankind Alive.

Created is one thing.
Made is another thing.
(Thus the conjunction Created AND Made)
Gen 2:
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Man’s Body is Mortal, and it’s Life IS Blood and Shall, Must Die.
Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

God Offers mankind, “additional” MAKING of a mans Body, from Mortal Sinful Human Flesh… to a Spiritual Glorified Eternally Living Body… AND eternal togetherness With God.

Matters not WHEN a man knows his eternal destination…
God Knows and has a Place Prepared to Be Manifested / Revealed… at the hour and IN the manner, God has Prepared.

A mans Justification…IS AFTER the man Has fulfilled Gods “submission” (belief in the mans Natural spirit (ie truth in his heart)… AND Bodily Death.

The Word of God was Slain… while the Earth was being formed.
Lucifer Denied, Thought a Lie in his being which was False.

Killing the Word of God, is to Think or Present Gods Word to be a Lie.

4,000 years later… the Word of God was prepared with a body in the likeness as a man, sent to Earth for Humans to See His Body, Hear Him speak and Kill that Body.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

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I do not agree.

Okay and thats fine, but thats what Im defending as Truth

 

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Okay and thats fine, but thats what Im defending as Truth

Your mentor…and you…have introduced …
Justification / as accomplished IN a man…
Because God Already Knows the outcome.

I do believe… ALL names of humans ever naturally born or shall be naturally Born of a mans SEED, ARE NAMES recorded IN Gods Book of Life, established, recorded, From Before / of the Beginning Of ManKIND.

And I do believe… Such names ARE (to the limited extent of mens Knowledge)… subject to Being Blotted Out….
Blotting OUT is an ACTION, not revealed as Occurring IN the Beginning…

You view implies…since God is All Knowing,
He recorded their Name in His Book of Life, and Because He Knew their final outcome…
Recorded Names AND Blotted out Names in the Beginning.

I disagree.
Knowing is ONE thing.
Action is Another Thing.

I believe mens Names are (action) Blotted Out, When they Physically Bodily Die, “Against / Not Believing IN God”.

Turning toward the “LAMBS Book of Life”…
A Book, whereby ONCE a mans Name IS ENTERED, (Action), that Name can not Be (action) Blotted Out.

I believe, the Names ENTERED into the Lambs Book of Life…ARE “mysteriously / spiritually UNIQUE.
* First such recorded Names, Only Apply to men, while alive in their Natural Flesh body…
Freely, willingly, surrendered that body unto Death (crucified with Jesus’ Body…)
And …
At that Time Received, the Justification, to Receive withIN them the Seed of God.
And…
The Recording of “THEIR Name IN the Lambs Book of Life”.

THEIR NAME???
A Name their Earthy Parents NAMED THEM?

I believe “THEIR NAME” recorded in the Lambs Book of Life “IS”…
A NEW NAME, a man has never been Called.
A NEW NAME, The man YET, knows Not.
A NEW NAME, The man will Hear, Know, Respond, at the TIME the man IS Called up, To Meet face to face, the Lord, the man freely, willingly, Gave his body unto Death “For”.

I believe THAT such man… Became Justified…after “ACTIONS”… of Surrender Act of man and Receipt Act of Salvation from God.

Scripture reveals such Language…(Nearly 3,000 times…)
As:
Shall be Saved…
Shall be Sealed…
Shall be Forgiven…
Shall be Given…
Shall be Kept…
Shall be Remembered…
Shall be Damned…
Shall be Destroyed…
Shall be Forgotten…

Doesn’t matter that God Already Knows…
The Acts have Not Yet come into completion.

Glory to God,
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Your mentor…and you…have introduced …
Justification / as accomplished IN a man…
Because God Already Knows the outcome.

I do believe… ALL names of humans ever naturally born or shall be naturally Born of a mans SEED, ARE NAMES recorded IN Gods Book of Life, established, recorded, From Before / of the Beginning Of ManKIND.

And I do believe… Such names ARE (to the limited extent of mens Knowledge)… subject to Being Blotted Out….
Blotting OUT is an ACTION, not revealed as Occurring IN the Beginning…

You view implies…since God is All Knowing,
He recorded their Name in His Book of Life, and Because He Knew their final outcome…
Recorded Names AND Blotted out Names in the Beginning.

I disagree.
Knowing is ONE thing.
Action is Another Thing.

I believe mens Names are (action) Blotted Out, When they Physically Bodily Die, “Against / Not Believing IN God”.

Turning toward the “LAMBS Book of Life”…
A Book, whereby ONCE a mans Name IS ENTERED, (Action), that Name can not Be (action) Blotted Out.

I believe, the Names ENTERED into the Lambs Book of Life…ARE “mysteriously / spiritually UNIQUE.
* First such recorded Names, Only Apply to men, while alive in their Natural Flesh body…
Freely, willingly, surrendered that body unto Death (crucified with Jesus’ Body…)
And …
At that Time Received, the Justification, to Receive withIN them the Seed of God.
And…
The Recording of “THEIR Name IN the Lambs Book of Life”.

THEIR NAME???
A Name their Earthy Parents NAMED THEM?

I believe “THEIR NAME” recorded in the Lambs Book of Life “IS”…
A NEW NAME, a man has never been Called.
A NEW NAME, The man YET, knows Not.
A NEW NAME, The man will Hear, Know, Respond, at the TIME the man IS Called up, To Meet face to face, the Lord, the man freely, willingly, Gave his body unto Death “For”.

I believe THAT such man… Became Justified…after “ACTIONS”… of Surrender Act of man and Receipt Act of Salvation from God.

Scripture reveals such Language…(Nearly 3,000 times…)
As:
Shall be Saved…
Shall be Sealed…
Shall be Forgiven…
Shall be Given…
Shall be Kept…
Shall be Remembered…
Shall be Damned…
Shall be Destroyed…
Shall be Forgotten…

Doesn’t matter that God Already Knows…
The Acts have Not Yet come into completion.

Glory to God,
Taken

This sounds weird to me, I go with what I believe.

 

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This sounds weird to me, I go with what I believe.

Never too late for receiving the Lord Gods Understanding of His Word… which only comes from Him.

 

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Justification in Rom 8:29-30

What about Justified in Rom 8:29-30 ?

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

In this sequence given by inspiration, of the Eternal Purpose of God in Election to Glorification coming to fruition, Paul places call [in time] before Justification, which means as God's Eternal Purpose unfolds in time to each vessel of mercy or the [them], we see not why to confess that in a point of time, the elect individual called by the Gospel is Justified by Faith given to them in the New Birth, for this fulfills the Gospel promise to Abraham that God made here Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

This is part of the Eternal Decree, that God purposed. That God would Justify the heathen through Faith is something God decreed to do, and also these would be Abraham's Seed !

So God had decreed to give the Elect evidence [Faith] of their Eternal Justification to their own consciousness in time, by sending the Holy Spirit to set them apart to Faith or the belief of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13, in this, Christ is revealed to them and they are given a Knowledge [spiritual] of Salvation or Justification by the remission of their sins Lk 1:77 which took place before the world began by non imputation, because they [their sins] were imputed to their Covenant Head and Surety before the World Began ! But yes, there is in time, when the Elect are Called, then Justified by Faith in their consciousness as God Promised to do here Gal 3:8 ! 3

 

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Eternal Justification !

The Justification of the Elect, an immanent act of God, was always abiding in Him by Covenant Engagement, as something hid in Himself or hid in God Eph 3:9

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Col 3:3

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

The Eternal Justification of all of God's Elect has always been a hidden Truth, hidden with Christ in God. Its that Justification of life Paul speaks of in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

There comes a time when these hidden Mysteries in God, that are for us, that the Spirit of God makes them known, that we may know experientially those things Freely given us of God as stated 1 Cor 2:12

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Thats important because one of the things we have freely of God, is Justification in Christ by His Grace and Redemptive Work Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Which Work originated in the Eternal Engagements of the Everlasting Covenant, when Christ became the Surety by the imputation of our sins unto His Suretyship, so that in a time appointed by God, He would be made of a woman, made under the Law, and be sacrificed for those sins already imputed !