Justification from everlasting !

[brightfame52]

An Everlasting Salvation !

Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Israel here is merely All of God's Elect, Chosen In Christ [Israel] before the foundation !

When is an Elect Person, Chosen in Christ ? Before the foundation Eph 1:4

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

When are they saved ? Now this is going to shock most if not all of you, but an Elect one Chosen in Christ before the foundation, they have been saved from everlasting !

Everlasting has regard to no beginning and no ending Prov 8:23

23 I [Christ the wisdom of God] was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

So what does that mean if we were Chosen in Christ before the foundation ? How long have we existed ?

Lets look at Ps 103:17

17But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice that David writes under the inspiration of God, that the Mercy of the LORD is FROM EVERLASTING, upon certain individuals " Those who are fearing Him in Time" to Everlasting.

Now are the Elect saved by Mercy ? Yes Titus 3:5

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

What can be more plainer ? When in God's Estimation were the Elect not reckoned as Vessels of Mercy ? Rom 9:22-23

22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

The Elect in the Eternal Purpose of God, have always been Saved by His Mercy in Christ, from Everlasting to Everlasting !

 

[brightfame52]

This would be better said and understood without the double negative.

As for the question "When was this cup laid to His Charge ?" It is written (God has said), it was "before the foundation of the world." Yet, the question is not complete without addressing, "How are both the Son and the Father, God...and yet not not two Gods, but One?"​

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What stands in the way as a stumbling block, is Christ also as a man--which would seem to give Him his own identity. Which is not the case, for man (including Christ) is created--not as his own identity--but as a mere "image" of God. Which then is explained as returning to God in the parable example given in the marriage of a man and a women (Bride and Groom) becoming One. Meaning, that people (mankind including Christ) are rather only given "character" identity each in their own role of revelation. And that "name above all names"--is God.​

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As for individuality in God, that comes with our own new name.​

Do you understand Justification from everlasting ?

 

[ScottA]

Do you understand Justification from everlasting ?

I do. I thought that would be obvious given my response.

 

[brightfame52]

I do. I thought that would be obvious given my response.

No it wasnt obvious to me. Do you believe its true ?

 

[ScottA]

No it wasnt obvious to me. Do you believe its true ?

I remember "believing" when I was younger, before I came to know God, that surely there was more to life than my eyes had revealed to me. When I came to crying out to Him, I still did not "know" Him, but He answered and confirmed my belief in a way of knowledge rather than belief. Since then I speak in terms of what I "know" from God, if I speak at all. More times than not, it is not I who speaks, but Him in spirit.

So, what I know of justification everlasting, is that all things born of God are everlasting, among which is justification. To the contrary, all that is not everlasting, whether it is from God or the devil, is manifest only for a time.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Do you understand Justification from everlasting

It's something you made up

 

[brightfame52]

I remember "believing" when I was younger, before I came to know God, that surely there was more to life than my eyes had revealed to me. When I came to crying out to Him, I still did not "know" Him, but He answered and confirmed my belief in a way of knowledge rather than belief. Since then I speak in terms of what I "know" from God, if I speak at all. More times than not, it is not I who speaks, but Him in spirit.

So, what I know of justification everlasting, is that all things born of God are everlasting, among which is justification. To the contrary, all that is not everlasting, whether it is from God or the devil, is manifest only for a time.

okay, so them who are born of God, were always Justified before God even b4 they were born of God ? Is that what you believe ?

 

[brightfame52]

It's something you made up

okay, I see you dont understand it, you are unenlightened

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

okay, I see you dont understand it, you are unenlightened

What scripture in God's Word speaks of "Justification from everlasting" ?

Are you claiming we don't have everlasting life?

Or that those who are not saved will not live everlasting in hell?

 

[brightfame52]

What scripture in God's Word speaks of "Justification from everlasting" ?

Are you claiming we don't have everlasting life?

Or that those who are not saved will not live everlasting in hell?

Why dont you read the thread comments.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Why dont you read the thread comments.

Why don't you post it up again, if the scripture actually says the phrase "Justification from everlasting"

 

[ScottA]

okay, so them who are born of God, were always Justified before God even b4 they were born of God ? Is that what you believe ?

Like I explained before--let me again clarify--I am not saying what I merely "believe", but what I know to be true from God and by God.

There is no timeline of things "before" with God, except what is said from the midst of these times of His creation. Therefore, it is correct to say that what is true of God was "before the foundation of the world"--before the world was created.

As for God, He never changes in the way we would think of "before" and "after." Meaning, that the events of the created "image" timeline--that man was (from our perspective), created on, are not born of God, but are of God by creation; and those born of the spirit of God, are born into, and of--are a part of, Him and His ever-present, everlasting, never changing reality, where there is no timeline, and when rightly divided, they do not actually mix.

 

[brightfame52]

Why don't you post it up again, if the scripture actually says the phrase "Justification from everlasting"

Because you not reading what I already posted

 

[brightfame52]

Like I explained before--let me again clarify--I am not saying what I merely "believe", but what I know to be true from God and by God.

There is no timeline of things "before" with God, except what is said from the midst of these times of His creation. Therefore, it is correct to say that what is true of God was "before the foundation of the world"--before the world was created.

As for God, He never changes in the way we would think of "before" and "after." Meaning, that the events of the created "image" timeline--that man was (from our perspective), created on, are not born of God, but are of God by creation; and those born of the spirit of God, are born into, and of--are a part of, Him and His ever-present, everlasting, never changing reality, where there is no timeline, and when rightly divided, they do not actually mix.

Were they always Justified b4 God even b4 they are born again and believe ? Yes or no please

 

[ScottA]

Were they always Justified b4 God even b4 they are born again and believe ? Yes or no please

You have not asked a yes or no question.

That is not how eternity works. The only before and after that exists, only exists in time, which is a created non-reality. History as it unfolds is simply a revelation of what eternally "is", like the pages of a book that is read. However, in the case of God, the book was not just written "before", for God never changes. So the sayings, "before the foundation of the world" or "before the world was", are just world-speak applicable only from within the pages of history.

This is like God being described as "the same yesterday, today, and forever." Which is only true and a proper definition from within the limited context of the times of this world. Otherwise, the proper, godly, or eternal way of describing--by definition--is "I am" (having no reference to time).

If this is all incomprehensible to you--do not be overly concerned or troubled. However, both the "yesterday, today, and forever" and "I am" examples are biblical, and are given for us to contemplate the difference on our way closer and closer to God. But I have answered truthfully for those in transition from the one to the other, for the hour is late.

 

[brightfame52]

You have not asked a yes or no question.

That is not how eternity works. The only before and after that exists, only exists in time, which is a created non-reality. History as it unfolds is simply a revelation of what eternally "is", like the pages of a book that is read. However, in the case of God, the book was not just written "before", for God never changes. So the sayings, "before the foundation of the world" or "before the world was", are just world-speak applicable only from within the pages of history.

This is like God being described as "the same yesterday, today, and forever." Which is only true and a proper definition from within the limited context of the times of this world. Otherwise, the proper, godly, or eternal way of describing--by definition--is "I am" (having no reference to time).

If this is all incomprehensible to you--do not be overly concerned or troubled. However, both the "yesterday, today, and forever" and "I am" examples are biblical, and are given for us to contemplate the difference on our way closer and closer to God. But I have answered truthfully for those in transition from the one to the other, for the hour is late.

Just dont worry about it, this has ended because you going around the world to avoid a simple yes or no question.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Because you not reading what I already posted

I don't have time to research your stuff.

You should have a quick response showing specifically where the scripture actually says the phrase "Justification from everlasting"

 

[brightfame52]

Being Justified freely by His Grace !

Romans 3:24

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

This Grace whereby those whom Christ died for, and by which they are Justified before God, was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Everyone Christ died for, God out of Grace towards them through Jesus Christ, declares them Justified freely without any cause.

The word freely here in the text is the greek word dōrean and means:

undeservedly, without cause. The word is translated without a cause here Jn 15:25

25But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.

There is not a cause within them why God Freely Justified them by His Grace, the Merit is in Christ Jesus, His Redemptive work. Its nothing they did such as believing, nor repentance or water baptism, absolutely nothing they did, said or even thought, but entirely through what Christ did for them.

Christ was slain for them in God's Purpose before the foundation Rev 13:8 and as previously stated the Grace which they are Justified by was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began !

This Justifying Grace was given to us [If we are Elect] prior to when the world began, Thats Eternal Justification !

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So where do you see the scripture actually saying the phrase "Justification from everlasting"

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

This Justifying Grace was given to us [If we are Elect]

That's false doctrine that can from calvinism.

God did not choose a few to be saved and then decided every one else will go to hell.

Those following doctrines of demons try to make this claim