Misled Evangelicals and the Synagogue of Satan

[Jay Ross]

What part of this isn't sinking in for you?

You keep dissecting Genesis 12:3 like it's an open real estate contract still in effect for a geopolitical entity in 2025 — when the entire Old Covenant, land deeds included, was fulfilled and dissolved in Christ.

The open real estate contract still in effect is God's promise that the nation of Israel will bless all the peoples of the earth that inhabit God's fertile field by sending their roots down into God's fertile soil/field to be fully and only nourished by God. In other words, the people of the earth, including Israelites, that full and completely embrace God and Christ.

EVERY promise, inheritance, and covenantal blessing now flows through Jesus alone.

I have not said anything different, God's promises flow to us fully when we fully embrace Christ's teaching.

Let me spell it out for you with brutal clarity:

Galatians 3:16 — “The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his Seed... The Scripture does not say ‘and to seeds,’ meaning many people, but ‘and to your Seed,’ meaning one person, who is Christ.”

Galatians 3:29 — “If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
That means Genesis 12:3 is fulfilled in Christ — not a modern nation-state founded by Rothschild banking interests and protected by UN tanks, vetoes and F-16s.

So when God says “through you all nations shall be blessed”, the New Testament doesn't leave us guessing. It declares:
“THAT ‘YOU’ IS CHRIST.”

This is New Covenant 101, and you’re still playing Torah Monopoly like Jesus didn’t flip the table.

Actually, there is no "brand new" salvation covenant. Jesus pointed to this in Matt 13:52 where he pointed to an ancient covenant from the time of the creation of Adam which has been renewed/refreshed where the salvation process has now been changed by Christ's death on the cross.

You want to talk Hebrew morphology and Strong’s? Fine. But if your exegesis ends in propping up an ethno-nationalist idol called “Israel” apart from Christ, you’ve missed the entire point of scripture:

All the soil in the world is God's — but only one Root gives life.
And that Root is not the Knesset.

What you are "preaching" is against all of God's prophetic words.

Your problem is not with what I post, but with your fundamental understanding of God's principles of redemption.

If you want to rant and carry on, then please have that conversation with God.

I am settled in my understanding of how God will bring about redemption in my life and in that we are miles apart. The nation of Israel is not an Idol in my eyes, however, those of the Nation of Israel, whom God has redeemed, will still be instrumental in Blessing the people of the earth who are taking their nourishment from God, Himself.

Goodbye

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The open real estate contract still in effect is God's promise that the nation of Israel will bless all the peoples of the earth that inhabit God's fertile field by sending their roots down into God's fertile soil/field to be fully and only nourished by God.

Then let’s make this painfully clear:

You deny that Jesus Christ is Messiah.
You spit on His blood.
You trample the cross beneath your feet by preaching that God’s “real estate contract” with a Christ-rejecting nation is still in effect.

That is blasphemy.
That is Antichrist doctrine.
And it makes you a false prophet whether you know it or not.

You speak of "roots in fertile soil"? The only Root that matters is Christ — the Root of Jesse.
And He already came.


He was the Vine; Israel was the branches. But the unbelieving were cut off and Gentiles were grafted in through faith, not DNA, not dirt, not bloodline.

“If they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in.” (Romans 11:23)
Which means as long as they do persist in unbelief they are cut off.

So stop preaching this fantasy where God is still waiting on a Christ-rejecting nation to be the “blessing to the earth.”
That blessing already came and you reject Him.

God is not a landlord.
He’s a King.
And He made a New Covenant — in blood.

If you think the old contract is still active, you call Christ’s death irrelevant.
You make the cross a footnote.
You put Jesus beneath Moses and Moses would rebuke you himself if he could.

“If you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote of Me.” – John 5:46

But you don’t.
You preach Moses and ignore the One Moses prophesied.
You preach dirt and deny the Kingdom.

So be warned:

“Whoever does not remain in Me is thrown away like a branch and withers.” – John 15:6

Your theology isn’t just wrong.
It’s damning.

 

[Jay Ross]

Then let’s make this painfully clear:

You deny that Jesus Christ is Messiah.
You spit on His blood.
You trample the cross beneath your feet by preaching that God’s “real estate contract” with a Christ-rejecting nation is still in effect.

That is blasphemy.
That is Antichrist doctrine.
And it makes you a false prophet whether you know it or not.

You speak of "roots in fertile soil"? The only Root that matters is Christ — the Root of Jesse.
And He already came.


He was the Vine; Israel was the branches. But the unbelieving were cut off and Gentiles were grafted in through faith, not DNA, not dirt, not bloodline.

“If they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in.” (Romans 11:23)
Which means as long as they do persist in unbelief they are cut off.

So stop preaching this fantasy where God is still waiting on a Christ-rejecting nation to be the “blessing to the earth.”
That blessing already came and you reject Him.

God is not a landlord.
He’s a King.
And He made a New Covenant — in blood.

If you think the old contract is still active, you call Christ’s death irrelevant.
You make the cross a footnote.
You put Jesus beneath Moses and Moses would rebuke you himself if he could.

“If you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote of Me.” – John 5:46

But you don’t.
You preach Moses and ignore the One Moses prophesied.
You preach dirt and deny the Kingdom.

So be warned:

“Whoever does not remain in Me is thrown away like a branch and withers.” – John 15:6

Your theology isn’t just wrong.
It’s damning.

It seems that you have a reading comprehension problem with your "rebuttal." You misquote me, put words I never state forward as if that is what I am saying. The parable of the Sower confirms what I have posted, yet you are claiming a very different story to support your accusations against me.

If you cannot quote what I actually posted, then the problem is in your court and the readers will see right through your posts.

Goodbye

 

[Earburner]

The open real estate contract still in effect is God's promise that the nation of Israel will bless all the peoples of the earth that inhabit God's fertile field by sending their roots down into God's fertile soil/field to be fully and only nourished by God. In other words, the people of the earth, including Israelites, that full and completely embrace God and Christ.



I have not said anything different, God's promises flow to us fully when we fully embrace Christ's teaching.



Actually, there is no "brand new" salvation covenant. Jesus pointed to this in Matt 13:52 where he pointed to an ancient covenant from the time of the creation of Adam which has been renewed/refreshed where the salvation process has now been changed by Christ's death on the cross.



What you are "preaching" is against all of God's prophetic words.

Your problem is not with what I post, but with your fundamental understanding of God's principles of redemption.

If you want to rant and carry on, then please have that conversation with God.

I am settled in my understanding of how God will bring about redemption in my life and in that we are miles apart. The nation of Israel is not an Idol in my eyes, however, those of the Nation of Israel, whom God has redeemed, will still be instrumental in Blessing the people of the earth who are taking their nourishment from God, Himself.

Goodbye

Isaac had a son called Jacob, who by God's intervention, changed his name to Israel, which was nothing but a Gentile, who had a name change.
(Edit: correction made, see post #35)

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

It wouldn’t matter if you could prove you were Abraham’s literal son —
not just a descendant — but Abraham’s own flesh and blood, stepped through a time machine.

Even if you were THAT MAN, the exact DNA, sandals and all…

It.
Would.
Mean.
Nothing.

Because every title, every bloodline, every earthly promise, was overridden and fulfilled at the foot of the Cross.

The Cross is the override.
The Cross is the terminator of the old order.

When Jesus said “It is finished,”
He didn’t mean paused.
He meant fulfilled.
Superseded.
Rewritten in blood.

So unless your name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life,
your name in Abraham’s family tree means nothing.

“Do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.” – Luke 3:8

And He did.
He raised up a Kingdom from every tribe, tongue, and nation through faith.
Not flesh.

So no — you don’t get to point to dirt, DNA, Rothschild land deeds, UN tanks or dead covenants.
The Kingdom belongs to the crucified and risen Christ.

Everything else is obsolete and/or meaningless...

That old covenant died 2,025 years ago.
Nailed to a Roman cross.
Buried in a borrowed tomb.
And raised in power by the blood of the King.

And anyone trying to drag that corpse back to life?
Is not a friend of Jesus.
Let me remind you — Jesus is the King of the Jews.
And you know what they did to their King?

They rejected Him.
They mocked Him.
They had Him crucified.

So if you’re still worshipping the nation that crucified its Messiah,
while ignoring the Messiah Himself — you’re not “blessing Israel.”
You’re spitting in Christ’s face. I know.. it's not good news.
Even Forest Gump and Slingblade have more horse-sense than you..

Imagine waking up every day and spiritually spitting in Christ’s face.
And then thinking - "He loves what I do so much!" <lol>

^ This is what bewitched and under the veil looks like to those who aren't..

Even Jesus laughs every day the dispensationalists wake up... He can't even believe how lost these people are..
All the angels and every heavenly body begin rolling around on the ground crying and laughing so hard their sides hurt...
It happens every morning around 8am EST once the dispensationalists wake up in the US and start thinking their misled thoughts...
"Pastor Roger, how can we get the Antichrist's that spit on the Cross more tanks and a missile defense system!?"

Jesus is like.. Dad... How? How can they possibly be this lost & misled?!?!
<It's the veil Son, they've been under it since the 1950s when the old gods hijacked their televisions>

 

[Jay Ross]

Abraham had a son called Isaac, who by God's intervention, changed his name to Israel, which was nothing but a Gentile, who had a name change.

Please check your facts

 

[Lizbeth]

It wouldn’t matter if you could prove you were Abraham’s literal son —
not just a descendant — but Abraham’s own flesh and blood, stepped through a time machine.

Even if you were THAT MAN, the exact DNA, sandals and all…

It.
Would.
Mean.
Nothing.

Because every title, every bloodline, every earthly promise, was overridden and fulfilled at the foot of the Cross.

The Cross is the override.

"It would mean nothing" might be overstating the case somewhat brother. Salvation is of the Jews. And they are loved on account of the patriarchs. That counts for a little "something" and I believe we should have some respect for that....and that it should make us long for their salvation, like Paul did. Not to go overboard as some are and being unequally yoked with them as unbelievers, or putting them on a pedestal, but have respect for all that God did through them, which we are blessed to be beneficiaries of, and that they are His prodigal sons.

And I think we need to remember there but for the grace of God go we, so nobody is worthy to judge/condemn them. That is God's business, and Jesus'....He is the only one worthy. And I want to say, like any people group and maybe more than others because of having the word of God, there are some very decent folks among them even though lost. They aren't all synagogue of Satan and cult of Ba'al.......and for those that are, it would be pleasing to God that we should pray for them to be freed from their slavery and captivity rather than condemn them.

In pushing back against idolizing the Jews/Israel we can easily go overboard in the opposite direction into having an antisemitic spirit. Paul warned us against having a superior attitude and boasting against the natural branches, I assume because the Lord knew we would need the warning.

 

[amigo de christo]

"It would mean nothing" might be overstating the case somewhat brother. Salvation is of the Jews. And they are loved on account of the patriarchs. That counts for a little "something" and I believe we should have some respect for that....and that it should make us long for their salvation, like Paul did. Not to go overboard as some are and being unequally yoked with them as unbelievers, or putting them on a pedestal, but have respect for all that God did through them, which we are blessed to be beneficiaries of, and that they are His prodigal sons.

And I think we need to remember there but for the grace of God go we, so nobody is worthy to judge/condemn them. That is God's business, and Jesus'....He is the only one worthy. And I want to say, like any people group and maybe more than others because of having the word of God, there are some very decent folks among them even though lost. They aren't all synagogue of Satan and cult of Ba'al.......and for those that are, it would be pleasing to God that we should pray for them to be freed from their slavery and captivity rather than condemn them.

In pushing back against idolizing the Jews/Israel we can easily go overboard in the opposite direction into having an antisemitic spirit. Paul warned us against having a superior attitude and boasting against the natural branches, I assume because the Lord knew we would need the warning.

Yes let all beware that superior attitude .
Here are some examples of a so called superior attitude .
Beleiving that just cause one is born a jew means he will be saved .
That somehow the flesh profits a man .
Yes let us beware a superior and bad prideful attitude .
Like saying , as do many , OH dont judge their hearts there are good people in all religoins .
AS IF .
ONLY GOD IS GOOD , man darn sure aint
and man from his youth up does much evil .
Guess who man needs to be saved . JESUS THE CHRIST .
And any other who says otherwise darn sure has a lot of pride in himself and in humanity .
Because I know MAN cannot save himself . EVEN cornelioous a man who did much good
STILL had to hear the gospel and beleive TO BE saved .
OH i see lots of pride at work sister .
People thinking and make beleiving as though
somehow man is gonna hug and love his way to GOD and just throw the poor some food
and come and have unity WITH DARKNESS . Making the very words and teaching of GOD , of CHRIST
of no effect by their so called precepts of this sensual love . OH i see lots of attitudes these days .
LOTS of rebellion these days . Thanks for the reminder sister .
I say we keep it real simple .
SO simple , in fact , just let me sum it up like this .
EVERY JEW , EVERY GENTILE are all under SIN , ALL NEED TO REPENT TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
to be saved , to even be set free FROM SIN .
IN other words , allow one more reminder .
LORD , who then can be saved . With man THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE . IM , POSS , and ble .
BUT NOT with GOD . AND WHAT and WHO did GOD predetermine
WOULD BE THE SAVOIR and the requirement to be saved , WAS TO BELEIVE ON THIS NAME . JESUS THE CHRIST .
I have no problems tellin all
I could have in NO WAY SAVED MYSELF . JESUS SAVES and its high time we tell every jew and every gentile
OF the dire need to BELEIVE ON HIM . pretty simple is ya ask me .

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

"It would mean nothing" might be overstating the case somewhat brother. Salvation is of the Jews. And they are loved on account of the patriarchs. That counts for a little "something" and I believe we should have some respect for that....and that it should make us long for their salvation, like Paul did. Not to go overboard as some are and being unequally yoked with them as unbelievers, or putting them on a pedestal, but have respect for all that God did through them, which we are blessed to be beneficiaries of, and that they are His prodigal sons.

And I think we need to remember there but for the grace of God go we, so nobody is worthy to judge/condemn them. That is God's business, and Jesus'....He is the only one worthy. And I want to say, like any people group and maybe more than others because of having the word of God, there are some very decent folks among them even though lost. They aren't all synagogue of Satan and cult of Ba'al.......and for those that are, it would be pleasing to God that we should pray for them to be freed from their slavery and captivity rather than condemn them.

In pushing back against idolizing the Jews/Israel we can easily go overboard in the opposite direction into having an antisemitic spirit. Paul warned us against having a superior attitude and boasting against the natural branches, I assume because the Lord knew we would need the warning.

I hear your concern.. but what you're offering is not correction; it's dilution.

Let’s be clear:
I’m not condemning people.
I’m condemning false theology.
And the false theology that says being Jewish still counts for something salvific outside of Christ — is a direct insult to the Cross.

“It would mean nothing” — yes. That is the point.
Not because I say so, but because Scripture does.


“In Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.” – Galatians 5:6
“What counts is a new creation.” – Galatians 6:15
“God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.” – Luke 3:8
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” – Romans 9:6


So again — yes, even if someone were Abraham’s literal son, it would mean nothing if they reject Christ.
That’s not "harsh".

That’s the entire message of the Gospel.

You quote Paul saying, “Salvation is of the Jews.”
True.
Because Jesus came through the Jews.
But guess what?

“He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.” – John 1:11
“If you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” – John 8:24

So what is salvation now?

“There is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” – Acts 4:12
Not Abraham. Not Moses. Not bloodline. Not land.
Christ alone.

Yes, they were the stewards of the covenants, the patriarchs, the promises — and we honor that role.
But the moment we start thinking the role gives them spiritual standing apart from Christ,
we’re not honoring them.. we're denying the Gospel.

You said they're “His prodigal sons.”
Sure. But the father didn’t justify the prodigal in the pigpen.
The father waited until he came back in repentance and then there was joy.

Until then?
They are lost.
And Christ Himself said:

“The sons of the kingdom will be thrown into outer darkness.” – Matthew 8:12

And finally — Paul’s warning not to boast against the natural branches was to Gentile believers who thought God had forever cast off the Jews. Paul corrected them: “If they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in.” (Rom 11:23)

But if they do persist in unbelief — they remain cut off.

So my statement stands.
If you reject the Son, it doesn’t matter if you’re the DNA twin of Abraham himself.

This isn’t about hate.
This is about truth.
And if telling the truth makes some uncomfortable, so be it.

We are not commanded to walk on eggshells around a bloodline.
We are commanded to preach Christ crucified —
to the Jew and to the Gentile.

To tear down every high place — even if it’s a golden menorah on a political altar.

 

[Always]

Yes, Israel was a chosen people who were not a nation but became a nation, thus included in the blessing of "all the families of the earth" as God declared to Abraham (Genesis 12:3).

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Romans 10:13

 

[amigo de christo]

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved Romans 10:13

Time to preach JESUS to all that has breath . For all who call upon HIM shall be saved .
But reader and all let us beware and take note.
I said JESUS , not jesus .
To any and to all who follow another jesus that sure seems to have zero problems with rainbows , korans and budda statues
YEAH , they follow total darkness and their end will surely be wailing
as will any and all who did DENY HIM . pretty serious huh .
AND YET ITS OUT OF upmost love i POINT TO HIM and allow no false hope and false love upon this generation .
Cause false hope saves none , and the love of this world saves none
BUT JESUS , I KNOW HE SAVES . And i know he is not the minstir of any sin or any real broad inclusive path road TO GOD .
but satan is . oh satan is a liar aint he . He knows how to decieve and to allure through the flesh

 

[Lizbeth]

I hear your concern.. but what you're offering is not correction; it's dilution.

Hope I'm not diluting anything any more than Paul was in his cautions. Certainly that isn't my intention.

I've lived long enough to see pendulums swinging from one extreme to the other. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater seems to be an ever-present tendency.

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes let all beware that superior attitude .
Here are some examples of a so called superior attitude .
Beleiving that just cause one is born a jew means he will be saved .
That somehow the flesh profits a man .
Yes let us beware a superior and bad prideful attitude .
Like saying , as do many , OH dont judge their hearts there are good people in all religoins .
AS IF .
ONLY GOD IS GOOD , man darn sure aint
and man from his youth up does much evil .
Guess who man needs to be saved . JESUS THE CHRIST .
And any other who says otherwise darn sure has a lot of pride in himself and in humanity .
Because I know MAN cannot save himself . EVEN cornelioous a man who did much good
STILL had to hear the gospel and beleive TO BE saved .
OH i see lots of pride at work sister .
People thinking and make beleiving as though
somehow man is gonna hug and love his way to GOD and just throw the poor some food
and come and have unity WITH DARKNESS . Making the very words and teaching of GOD , of CHRIST
of no effect by their so called precepts of this sensual love . OH i see lots of attitudes these days .
LOTS of rebellion these days . Thanks for the reminder sister .
I say we keep it real simple .
SO simple , in fact , just let me sum it up like this .
EVERY JEW , EVERY GENTILE are all under SIN , ALL NEED TO REPENT TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
to be saved , to even be set free FROM SIN .
IN other words , allow one more reminder .
LORD , who then can be saved . With man THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE . IM , POSS , and ble .
BUT NOT with GOD . AND WHAT and WHO did GOD predetermine
WOULD BE THE SAVOIR and the requirement to be saved , WAS TO BELEIVE ON THIS NAME . JESUS THE CHRIST .
I have no problems tellin all
I could have in NO WAY SAVED MYSELF . JESUS SAVES and its high time we tell every jew and every gentile
OF the dire need to BELEIVE ON HIM . pretty simple is ya ask me .

Amen brother. There's no eternal life for anyone apart from Christ, Jew or Gentile.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Time to preach JESUS to all that has breath . For all who call upon HIM shall be saved .
But reader and all let us beware and take note.
I said JESUS , not jesus .
To any and to all who follow another jesus that sure seems to have zero problems with rainbows , korans and budda statues
YEAH , they follow total darkness and their end will surely be wailing
as will any and all who did DENY HIM . pretty serious huh .
AND YET ITS OUT OF upmost love i POINT TO HIM and allow no false hope and false love upon this generation .
Cause false hope saves none , and the love of this world saves none
BUT JESUS , I KNOW HE SAVES . And i know he is not the minstir of any sin or any real broad inclusive path road TO GOD .
but satan is . oh satan is a liar aint he . He knows how to decieve and to allure through the flesh

@amigo de christo

 

[Earburner]

Please check your facts

Yes, my error in post #24 has been corrected! I meant Isaac had a son called Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel by God.
Thanks Jay.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

“Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.” (Gal. 3:15-19)

In the Old Testament, certain promises were made to Abraham and his seed, and Jesus Christ is the singular seed of Abraham to whom those promises were made (Gal. 3:16). One of those promises pertained to an inheritance (Gal. 3:18) that was part of the covenant that was confirmed before of God in Christ or that was confirmed four hundred and thirty years before the law was given (Gal. 3:17). Jesus is the seed who should come to whom that promise was made (Gal. 3:19), and here is that promise:

“And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. And he said, Lord GOD, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it? And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not. And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away. And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him. And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full. And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces. In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates: The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.” (Gen. 15:7-21)

This conversation between the LORD and Abram took place in the land of Canaan (Gen. 12:4-5, 13:12, 15:7), where Abram sojourned as a pilgrim and a stranger (Exo. 6:2-4). While there, the LORD informed Abram, who later had his name changed to Abraham (Gen. 17:5), that his seed would be afflicted for four hundred years in a land that was not their own (Gen. 15:13). After their time of sojourning there, which lasted a total of four hundred and thirty years (Exo. 12:40-41, Gal. 3:17), the LORD promised to deliver them and bring them out with great substance, and that is precisely what happened when the Israelites made their exodus from the land of Egypt (Exo. 12:35-36, Psa. 105:37).

At that time, the LORD made a specific covenant with Abram/Abraham and his seed, in which he promised them the land of Canaan, commonly referred to as The Promised Land, as their inheritance (Gen. 15:7-8, 16, 18). According to the Apostle Paul, when the LORD made that covenant with Abram’s/Abraham’s seed, he confirmed it in Christ, who is the singular seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16-17). Previously, the LORD had twice given this same promise to Abram/Abraham and his seed. Regarding those promises, we read:

“And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land. And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.” (Gen. 12:6-7)

“Abram dwelled in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelled in the cities of the plain, and pitched his tent toward Sodom. But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly. And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.” (Gen. 13:12-15)

Every time that the LORD promised the land of Canaan to Abram’s/Abraham’s seed as an inheritance, he promised it to Jesus Christ, the singular seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16). Furthermore, as the Apostle Paul went on to explain to the saints in Galatia, anyone who truly belongs to Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, is similarly accounted as being Abraham’s seed and an heir according to the promise.

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal. 3:26-29)

When the Israelites made their exodus from Egypt, there were six hundred and three thousand five hundred and fifty men who were twenty years old and upward who were able to go to war (Num. 1:45-46). Out of all those men, only two of them, Caleb and Joshua, inherited the land of Canaan, which later became known as the land of Israel. The LORD overthrew the remaining six hundred and three thousand five hundred and forty-eight of them in his wrath in the wilderness (Psa. 95:7-11). Here is what distinguished Caleb and Joshua from the other Israelites:

“And the LORD'S anger was kindled the same time, and he sware, saying, Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob; because they have not wholly followed me: Save Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite, and Joshua the son of Nun: for they have wholly followed the LORD. And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.” (Num. 32:10-13)

At that time, Caleb and Joshua were the only two Israelites who “wholly followed the LORD,” and the LORD they were wholly following was the pre-incarnate LORD Jesus Christ. While writing to the saints at Corinth, the Apostle Paul said:

“Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.” (1 Cor. 10:1-12)

According to the Apostle Paul, the pre-incarnate Christ was the spiritual Rock that followed the children of Israel in their wilderness journeys (Exo. 17:4-7, Num. 20:7-11, 1 Cor. 10:4), and he is also the one who the Israelites tempted when they were destroyed of serpents (Num. 21:4-9, 1 Cor. 10:9). Seeing how the land of Canaan was promised to Abram/Abraham and his seed (Gen. 12:7, 13:15, 15:18), which is Christ (Gal. 3:16) and those who truly follow him (John 10:4-5, 27, Gal. 3:26-29), and seeing how only Caleb and Joshua “wholly followed the LORD” (Num. 32:11-12, Deut. 1:34-38), God kept his promise by allowing only those two men to inherit The Promised Land.

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In fact, God thought to wipe out the first generation of Israelites who made the exodus while they were still in Egypt because they would not hearken unto his voice. He only brought them out so his name would not be polluted among the heathen (Ezek. 20:3-17) or so the heathen would not think that he was incapable of delivering the Israelites from their bondage in Egypt.

God also thought to wipe out the entire second generation of Israelites in the wilderness because they similarly rebelled against him. Although they were not the rightful heirs because they refused to follow the pre-incarnate Christ, the seed to whom the land was truly promised (Gal. 3:16), God allowed them to enter the land of Canaan. He did so only because he did not want his name to be polluted among the heathen (Ezek. 20:18:22) or because he did not want the heathen to think that he was incapable of bringing the Israelites into The Promised Land.

The LORD spoke again of the covenant that he made with Abram/Abraham and his seed, which is Christ (Gal. 3:16) and those who truly follow him (Gal. 3:26-29), when he said:

“And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.” (Gen. 17:3-8)

Here, the LORD changed Abram’s name to Abraham, which means “father of a multitude” or “a father of many nations” (Gen. 17:5). Abraham was given that name because it is through his seed, Jesus Christ, that all the nations of the earth, whether Jewish or Gentile (Rom. 1:16, 10:12, Gal.3:28, Col. 3:11), shall be blessed (Gen. 22:18). That blessing can only be found when people receive Jesus Christ (John 1:11-13), who is Abraham’s seed (Gal. 3:16), and turn away from their iniquities:

“Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.” (Acts 3:25-26)

Who has ears to hear, let them hear.

 

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It really would be best to allow the Bible to define such terms as "Hebrew," "Israelite", and "Jew" for us before attempting to have a discussion about any of them.

According to scripture, someone can be a Hebrew without being either an Israelite or a Jew, and Abram/Abraham is a classic example of this truth.

“And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram the Hebrew; for he dwelt in the plain of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol, and brother of Aner: and these were confederate with Abram.” (Gen. 14:13)

The word that was translated into English here as “Hebrew” is ʿiḇrî, and this is a patronymic (which means derived from a paternal ancestor) word that directly relates to the word ʿēḇer.

H5680 - ʿiḇrî - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

H5680 - עִבְרִי ʻIbrîy, ib-ree'; patronymic from ; an Eberite (i.e. Hebrew) or descendant of Eber:—Hebrew(-ess, woman).

www.blueletterbible.org

In other words, seeing how Abram/Abraham was a natural descendant of Eber (Gen. 11:16-26), he was called a Hebrew. Although Abram/Abraham was a Hebrew, he was neither an Israelite nor a Jew. In fact, he could not possibly have been either because neither classification of people existed until after Abram/Abraham was dead. We know that Abram/Abraham died when he was 175 years old.

“And these are the days of the years of Abraham's life which he lived, an hundred threescore and fifteen years. Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.” (Gen. 25:7-8)

We also know that Isaac was born when Abram/Abraham was 100 years old.

“And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him.” (Gen. 21:5)

This means that Abram/Abraham only had 75 years remaining in his life when Isaac was born. We know that Isaac was 60 years old when Jacob was born.

“And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.” (Gen. 25:24-26)

This means that Abram/Abraham was not only 160 years old when Jacob was born, but that he also only had 15 years remaining in his life when Jacob was born. Although the Bible does not tell us how old Jacob was when he fled to live with Laban, we do know that he served Laban for twenty years.

“This twenty years have I been with thee; thy ewes and thy she goats have not cast their young, and the rams of thy flock have I not eaten. That which was torn of beasts I brought not unto thee; I bare the loss of it; of my hand didst thou require it, whether stolen by day, or stolen by night. Thus I was; in the day the drought consumed me, and the frost by night; and my sleep departed from mine eyes. Thus have I been twenty years in thy house; I served thee fourteen years for thy two daughters, and six years for thy cattle: and thou hast changed my wages ten times.” (Gen. 31:38-41)

We also know that God did not change Jacob's name to “Israel” until after these twenty years of service to Laban had been completed.

“And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.” (Gen. 32:27-28)

Furthermore, we know that Jacob/Israel went on to have twelve sons, and his twelve sons became known as “the twelve tribes of Israel.”

“All these are the twelve tribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.” (Gen. 49:28)

Seeing how Abram/Abraham only lived to be 175 years old, and seeing how he was 160 years old with only 15 years remaining in his life when Jacob was born to Isaac, and seeing how Jacob served Laban for twenty years before God changed his name to Israel and before his twelve sons became known as the twelve tribes of Israel, we can know, of a certainty, that Abram/Abraham was not an Israelite because there was no such thing as an Israelite upon the face of this earth until after Abram/Abraham was dead.

Furthermore, seeing how the word “Jew” is directly derived from Judah, who was Jacob's/Israel's fourth son (Gen. 35:23)…

Search 'jew' on etymonline

Jew (n.)

late 12c., Giw, Jeu, "a Jew (ancient or modern), one of the Jewish race or religion," from Anglo-French iuw, Old French giu (Modern French Juif), from Latin Iudaeum (nominative Iudaeus), from Greek Ioudaios, from Aramaic (Semitic) jehudhai (Hebrew y'hudi) "a Jew," from Y'hudah "Judah," literally "celebrated," name of Jacob's fourth son and of the tribe descended from him.

…we can also know, of a certainty, that Abram/Abraham was not a Jew either because none existed during his lifetime. With these truths in mind, according to scripture, someone can be a Hebrew without being either an Israelite or a Jew.

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Also, someone can be an Israelite or a descendant from Jacob/Israel without being a Jew. Originally, only Judah and his descendants were known to be Jews, but when the kingdom in Israel was split after Solomon's reign, the ten northern tribes became known as "Israel," with Samaria as its capital, and the two southern tribes, Judah and Benjamin, became known as "Judah," with Jerusalem as its capital. Furthermore, the Levites who served in the temple in the southern kingdom of Judah were also called "Jews." Nowadays, people normally use the term "Jew" to describe any of Jacob's/Israel's descendants, but, technically speaking, this is not true.

To further make proper biblical distinctions, as others here have already properly pointed out, someone can be either an Israelite or a Jew in relation to their natural descendance, but not truly an Israelite or a Jew in God's eyes.

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.” (Rom. 9:6-8)

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Rom. 2:28-29)

In other words, just because someone is a natural descendant from Abram/Abraham, this does not automatically qualify them as being part of Abraham's seed.

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.” (Gal. 3:16)

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal. 3:26-29)

According to scripture, Abraham's seed is Christ and those who have truly been baptized into Christ. Natural descendance alone means absolutely nothing. Furthermore, just because someone is a natural born Israelite, this does not automatically qualify them as being a part of what Paul called "the Israel of God."

“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.” (Gal. 6:15-16)

According to scripture, it is only those who walk according to this rule, or only those who have become new creatures in Christ, who are considered to be the Israel of God. I fully believe that it can be rightly said that because Jesus Christ is "the Lion of the tribe of Judah" (Rev. 5:5), he is the consummate Jew. With such being the case, any natural born Jew who does not believe in him is not counted as being a true Jew in God's sight. Again, as we already read, he is not a Jew which is one outwardly, but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, or he is a Jew who has truly been born again through saving faith in Jesus Christ.

Is it possible for somebody to be a Hebrew, a natural descendant of Abraham, someone who is truly Abraham's seed through faith in Christ, a natural born Israelite, someone who is truly a part of the Israel of God, a natural born Jew, a true Jew inwardly, and a Christian all at the same time?

Yes, it is, and the Apostle Paul is a clear-cut example of the same.

I hope that this helps to clear up any possible confusion in relation to how these terms are used in scripture.

In the light of these truths, "the father of all them that believe” or “our father Abraham,” with the “all them that believe” and the “our” pertaining to both believing Israelites/Jews and Gentiles, was an uncircumcised Gentile when righteousness was imputed to him through faith in his coming seed, Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:16).

“Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.” (Rom. 4:9-12)

Pointing out this simple, basic biblical truth to many, many professing Christians, in many different places in the past, has caused them to foam at the mouth with rage. People really need to read their Bibles.

Who has ears to hear, let them hear.

 

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Point to Christ JESUS till that final breath my friend .