The widows in deed are discussed in 1 Timothy 5:3-16, they should over 60, no family to care for them, been faithful to their husbands/wives?, we as the Body of Christ have a responsibility to see to their needs. In today's world many of these individuals have families that can barely take care of themselves and the opposite is seen, the widow struggling to help her children.... it's a sad situation, should the church being knowledgeable of this scenario help that widow?
The Widows in Deed
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amigo de christo
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Is your question should the church help widows
whose famlies wont help them .
Yes indeed we should help them .
And one more thing we ought to do .
REBUKE SHARPLY and dire gravely
Any within that church that WONT help out his mother or his father .
In fact we need to be far more stern about things .
Lets allow pauls words to remind us
what he called such folks who would not provide for his own
THEY HAVE DENIED THE FAITH and are WORSE than an infidel .
OH yeah its time to get far more grave and serious again about things .
This I agree with wholeheartedly, however in reality, some of this widowers children aren't in church to rebuke sternly, I've worked with many who have children that have left their children with the grandparents, you would be amazed at this demographic. We spiritually lost a generation, not totally but in some matter. I cared for my mother, moving her into my home when she got ill, but this is not the case for many widowers
amigo de christo
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Oh for sure my friend . the ones i was talking about rebuking sharply
are THE BELIEVERS who fail to do this .
As far as those who have unbelieving families
who refuse to care for them . The church should take care of those .
amigo de christo
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I have a feeling you wont mind a few questions .
SO allow this one to be asked .
Should a beleiver allow sin upon their neighbor .
Should a beleiver allow one in the church to call GOD a liar .
should a beleiver allow things that dishonor GOD and thus work only destruction to those who do so
TO REMAIN in that sin , to remain in rebellion to GOD .
OR SHOULD THE BELIEVER have the SAME LOVE GOD DOES for US
and thus ALL whom HE LOVES HE DARN SURE WARNS and CORRECTS .
Ponder on that for a while .
THEN ask yourself
WHY are the churches allowing , under the banner of what they THINK IS LOVE AND LOVING ,
their own peoples to REMAIN IN SIN
and rebuke sharply THOSE WHO DO CORRECT and EXPOSE SIN . We do have SERIOUS problems in the house my friend .
I am not the hater and monster and judgmental bully this generation of christendom sees me as .
I SIMPLY DESIRE GOOD for the peoples and I DESIRE by the same grace THAT WE SIMPLY
WALK worthy of HE who has saved us . THAT WE DO ALL That HONORS HIM . so tell me
where is my sin and error for that .
I agree with @amigo de christo, can't believe someone actually brought this up, because this was what I was looking for in a church a way to serve the elder women who were widows in the same.
As James says
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world
In Isaiah it says,
Isaiah 1:17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Whereas here it says,
Isaiah 1:23 Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
Jesus concerning the widow's with the Pharisees said,
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
Psalm 46:9 The LORD preserveth the strangers; he relieveth the fatherless and widow: but the way of the wicked he turneth upside down.
You werent even supposed to pervert judgment as it pertains to the widow in Deu 24:17 by taking a widow's raiment to pledge, and here they were devouring the widows homes.
The LORD
Psalm 68:5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.
Psalm 72:4 He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
In Acts 6:1 could be an example (to the contrary) where it says, they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
Which shows Grecians murmuring against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
Acts 6:1 And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
This was a daily ministration among them
Then we see in Acts 6:3 this is taken up
Acts 6:3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
Same examples can be found of judging the cause of the poor and needy
Jerm 22:16 He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the LORD.
And so in one case he says,
They judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.
In Acts 6:1 the cause of the widow comes up there when Grecians murmured against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in this daily ministration.
Same examples can be found of judging the cause of the poor and needy, like all the weaker he has in his heart
He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the LORD.
Widows indeed, especially those without children and other family to care for them
There is the desolate widow
1 Ti 5:5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
And the widow that lives in pleasure, being dead while she ives
1 Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
I feel you already know what my answer would be, absolutely not! being a part of the civil rights movement, this was our goal, to help the impoverish, the elderly, the orphans, to hold not only our churches accountable but to speak to our government that their judgments and actions were and now against the Word of God
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