Is God Magnanimous? - (as opposed to tyrannical)

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I'm probably not the only one who has a problem with your bogus question and your slimy yes/no demand.

Asking you a question about Salvation, is to you a "slimy bogus situation"?

And this bizarre comment comes from the mind of the very person who misrepesents God's Gospel of Grace, as "extortion".
Your comment comes from the heart of the person who leads people to Hell by telling them that everyone goes to Heaven.
See yourself yet? @St. SteVen

Now again.....the simple question.

""Do you believe that you have to be forgiven YOUR SIN, and be born again, before.you die, to go to heaven".?? @St. SteVen

 

[St. SteVen]

Do you believe that you have to be forgiven YOUR SIN, and be born again, before.you die, to go to heaven".?

Everyone is forgiven of their sin due to the complete work of the atonement.
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:2 NIV

Do you think only "born-again" evangelicals will be saved?
If so, you are condemning 75% (?) of the Bride of Christ.

Do you claim that "born-again" believers go directly to heaven before the judgement?

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Everyone is forgiven of their sin due to the complete work of the atonement.

That is not the answer to the question, @St. SteVen .


I asked you WHEN....

So, Lets try again.

Now......Do you believe that you have to be forgiven YOUR SIN, and be born again, before you die, to go to heaven".?? @St. SteVen

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Everyone is forgiven of their sin due to the complete work of the atonement.

That is not the answer to the question, @St. SteVen .

Don't you believe the Bible?
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:2 NIV

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St. SteVen said:
Everyone is forgiven of their sin due to the complete work of the atonement.

See, you are teaching that salvation is automatic.......that if you are born, you dont have to Trust in Christ while you are alive, and you dont have to be born again.......to go to heaven.

So, you are teaching a Cross Denying Lie, that rejects God's Atonement. and if the Mods on this forum were doing their Job, you'd not ever teach it again here.

You are dening that God requires a person's faith in Christ while they are alive, before He will save them.
You are denying that you must be born again, as Jesus said......before you die.

So, as i keep telling you......you are willingly and willfully leading unbelievers to Hell, with your false Gospel of "Universalism"..

Galatians 1:8

See you there. @St. SteVen

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Everyone is forgiven of their sin due to the complete work of the atonement.

See, you are teaching that salvation is automatic.......

No, not at all.
The forgiveness of sin is due to the complete work of the atonement. As the Bible declares. But you don't believe it. ???
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:2 NIV

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[St. SteVen]

You are dening that God requires a person's faith in Christ while they are alive, before He will save them.
You are denying that you must be born again, as Jesus said......before you die.

Were those that Christ redeemed from the realm of the dead in the three days before His resurrection alive or dead?

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Note: Christ was laid in an above ground tomb. Where is the heart of the earth?

Answer: the realm of the dead

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Ephesians 4:8-10
This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.” 9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Peter 4:6 NRSV
For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

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[St. SteVen]

Were those that Christ redeemed from the realm of the dead in the three days before His resurrection alive or dead?

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Note: Christ was laid in an above ground tomb. Where is the heart of the earth?

Answer: the realm of the dead

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Ephesians 4:8-10
This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.” 9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Peter 4:6 NRSV
For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that, though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

If it happened once, it can happen again. And it will.

Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.

Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).

Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4

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St. SteVen said:
Everyone is forgiven of their sin due to the complete work of the atonement.

Don't you believe the Bible?
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:2 NIV

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I have questions about the translation of the word 'world' there - κόσμος.

15 minutes of looking up usage throughout the Bible made it less clear rather than better.

 

[St. SteVen]

No, not at all.
The forgiveness of sin is due to the complete work of the atonement. As the Bible declares. But you don't believe it. ???
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:2 NIV

Also confirmed by this scripture.
The acts of the two Adams resulted in the condemnation and justification for all people.
(this does not preclude the judgement)

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Everyone is forgiven of their sin due to the complete work of the atonement.

Don't you believe the Bible?
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. - 1 John 2:2 NIV

I have questions about the translation of the word 'world' there - κόσμος.

15 minutes of looking up usage throughout the Bible made it less clear rather than better.

What are the reasonable options?
What would be a group contrasted to "ours"? (theirs)
Who is this written to?

I contend that the work of the atonement was a complete work.
The sin debt of humankind was paid in full.
This does not preclude the judgement of nations, leaders and individuals.

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[St. SteVen]

So, you are teaching a Cross Denying Lie, that rejects God's Atonement.

On the contrary.
It seems that you are doing that by claiming that the atonement was an incomplete work.

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Who is this written to?

The Galatian church. "He is the atoning sacrifice for [the Galatians'] sins"

What would be a group contrasted to "ours"? (theirs)
What are the reasonable options?

Several options seem viable:

1 All the people in the world
2 All the nations/Goyim
3 All the churches

The first option gives us universal salvation.
The second option results in most people being saved, with the exception of a cursed/hated few.
The third option gives us the traditional position of the church - those in the church are saved, and those outside not so much.

The usage of κόσμος throughout the Old Testament is pretty weird. It sometimes refers to the stars of the sky, which seems straightforward. But more often it's translated as "ornaments" or "pleasantness" or is left completely untranslated (!?)

 

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St. SteVen said:
Everyone is forgiven of their sin due to the complete work of the atonement.

Christianity is established by God like this..

"God's)= GRACE.........through Faith".

So this means that Everyone who BELIEVES in Jesus, (Trust's in Christ) before they die, = are forgiven and born again by the Holy Spirit.

You can take note of 2 Thess 1:8-9.

Paul teaches that Jesus is coming back to this earth, to take "vengeance" upon all who "do not obey the Gospel".
They wil not be going to Heaven, when Jesus gets through with them.

So.....How do you obey the Gospel? ??????????

A.) You BELIEVE IT. You have FAITH in it., that God requires.

So, @St. SteVen ..... if Jesus is coming back to take Vengeance upon Unbelivers, and your false Cross Insulting Gosple, says that everyone is going to be saved, and is already,......... then Jesus has no business taking vengeance on unbelievers..., or you have no business continuing to preach a False Demonic Gospel on a Forum that has the world "christian" in the Title.

Do you comprehend the situation?

And here is something else for you to deny and not comprehend.

God requires our FAITH in Christ, to redeem us with Christ's Sacrifice, as Sinners are "Justified by Faith".

The NT teaches that Faith is the evidence of things ""NOT SEEN""., which means that you have to believe in Jesus, without SEEING Jesus.
Do you understand?
You have to TRUST in Christ by FAITH, and that faith is in what you can't SEE.

So once you die, you will SEE the evidence of God in eternity, just as people who went to Hell today now believe it exists, who lied to others and told them it didnt.
See.......everyone will BELIEVE after they die, because they will SEE the proof.....and that eliminates FAITH, because they will SEE IT.

This is why you can't have Faith in Christ that God will accept after you die,...... as you will SEE that its ALL TRUE, and that is not FAITH.
THis is why there is no way out of Hell, and no way to be forgiven and born again, after you die... as the SEEING eliminates the FAITH that God requires, which is why it can only be found as Faith, and accepted by God.... when you are alive, on Earth and can't see any of the Eternal PROOF.

Comprehend?

Now.....Universalism is a false "cursed" Gospel.... Galatians 1:8.....that leads unbelievers to Hell, and you are a Universalist doing that., and one day you'll give account, and it'll happen down here.

 

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If you repay evil with good, what then will you repay good with?

 

[St. SteVen]

If you repay evil with good, what then will you repay good with?

Reminded me of this.

Matthew 5:43-48 NIV
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’
44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven.
He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good,
and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get?
Are not even the tax collectors doing that?
47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others?
Do not even pagans do that?
48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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The Galatian church. "He is the atoning sacrifice for [the Galatians'] sins"

The Cross of Christ, is the "atoning sacrifice for sin".......before Paul was called as an Apostle who later established the "Galatian" Church".
So, this means that Christ's Atonement, came before any Church, as its The Cross of Christ that birthed Christianity.

 

[St. SteVen]

The Cross of Christ, is the "atoning sacrifice for sin".......before Paul was called as an Apostle who later established the "Galatian" Church".
So, this means that Christ's Atonement, came before any Church, as its The Cross of Christ that birthed Christianity.

Acts 11:26 NIV
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch.
So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people.
The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

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48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

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Sinners, can't be "perfect".. because everyone is a sinner.

This means that to be perfect, as God is perfect,....... is for God to create this to happen... to cause it........so, this means that a person has to be born again as a "new Creation in Christ", "made righteous".... which makes them "complete in Him", = as perfect.

"One with God"... "IN Christ".

How does this happen?

A.) A sinner, gives God their faith in Christ, while they are still alive, and their """FAITH is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness.""
So, this means they are forgiven, and then born again having received from God "The Gift of Righteousness"..
This has to happen, or the person dies unrighteous, unforgiven, and this can't be undone after you die, because you've committed the "unpardonable sin". (Dying a Christ rejector, never born again).

People who went to Hell in the last 9 minutes.......now believe in Jesus.....because they SEE HELL, and that proves to them that Jesus is REAL...............
The problem is........that is not FAITH.......that is "i see it".......and God requires FAITH, as Christianity is Built on FAITH in Christ.
Once you die and are in eternity, you SEE the eternal, and that eliminates faith... so, if you die a Christ Rejector, there is no way to have faith in Christ after you die.. as Faith in Christ is to believe in what you can't see........and once you die and are in eternity, you SEE IT, so faith is elimated,.. nullified, which denies Salvation to the LOST who died a Christ Rejector.

 

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The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

So, you've again posted something that isnt related to anything ive posted.... to you.

Notice that they were called "Christians"... yet many became Christians long before the Antioch assembly was noted.

Your verse is 11 years later, after Christ has ascended., whereas Acts 2, where the Body of Christ began, is nearly a decade before the "Antioch" assembly.