What basis do you have in saying there were two dispensations given Paul
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[Rom 2:5 KJV] 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
This is what Paul said his gospel conveyed.......righteous judgment
Paul is our apostle....................[Rom 11:13 KJV] 13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
Christ revealed our gospel to Paul
Christ revealed all doctrine, commandments and conduct in the church to Paul
I just read this in regard to saying Paul was not preaching the mystery before Acts 28
[Act 13:38-39, 43 KJV] 38 Be it known unto you therefore, men [and] brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. ... 43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
Before prison, Paul preached Jesus for forgiveness of sins and not by the law ........salvation apart from the law was not made known before revealed to Paul............[Rom 3:28 KJV] 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law
Paul persuaded them to continue in the grace of God..........Paul was given knowledge of and preached the grace of God...................[Eph 3:2 KJV] 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
amigo de christo
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you are kidding me right .
DO you even KNOW what the mystery even is ..........
PETER did and HE preached that mystery
as did paul and the others .
So do tell me what is this other mystery you seem to think IS the mystery .
meanwhile i shall continue to preach this mystery
ITS ALL ABOUT BELEIVING ON JESUS THE CHRIST , ITS THE GOSPEL dude .
THEY ALL preached it . pray about that for a real long time .
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
may i respectfully remind us that Both paul and all the apostels
followed THE ONE TRUE APOSTEL of our faith . JESUS THE CHRIST .
so when you say paul should be your apostel , well so was peter and the others .
JESUS IS OUR GREAT HIGH APOSTEL that all the apostels followed .
Hello Doug,
The epistles written prior to the prison epistles of Paul contain the truths concerning The Mystery of Christ, for it was revealed to all the Apostles and Prophets including Paul: being the subject of the Old Testament prophets in type and shadow; but requiring the revelation of God to make it's truths visible
The Mystery revealed to Paul alone, was not the subject of earlier writings, either Old Testament, gospel record, or of any of the pastoral epistles, including Paul's own earlier works,: only in the prison epistles will you find that truth revealed, for it had been 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9 & Col. 1:26) from previous generations. There is no safer place to hide something than that. I believe God and therefore do not seek to find what God, through Paul, has told us has been hidden in Him.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hello @Doug,
Paul and all the other Apostles and Prophets preached concerning 'The Mystery of Christ', for it was revealed to them by God (Eph. 3:4 & 5): but only Paul received the divine revelation concerning 'The Mystery': which he made known to all who visited him in prison, and via the epistles written from prison, namely, (Eph., Phil. 2Tim. Titus & Phile.). This Mystery, and 'the fellowship of the Mystery' was not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or Paul's earlier epistles, having been 'hid is God' since the world began: containing the 'unsearchable riches of Christ'
'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ:'
(Eph 3:8-9)
Praise God!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
'So we, being many, are one body in Christ,
and every one members one of another.'
(Rom 12:5)
Hello @Doug,
One company, yes. This context is concerning the gifts of grace, which during the Acts period were displayed among the members, all receiving of the root and fatness of Israel's Olive Tree.
'Now ye are the body of Christ,
and members in particular.'
(1Co 12:27)
This was also illustrative of the distribution of spiritual gifts, the human body being used to illustrate how the functioning of each part of the Corinthian assembly were blessed with a gift, which was of value to the whole: For though many they were one body (company) in Christ. If you compare this with the Ephesian Epistle regarding the Church which is the Body of Christ; you will see that there is no comparison.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hello @Doug,
'And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the head
over all things to the church,
Which is His body, (soma:- a sound whole)
the fulness of Him (pleroma:- fills up)
that filleth all in all.'
(Eph 1:22-23)
Note:- See Eph_1:10. His members "fill up" the body of Christ, and the body of Christ fills up and completes "the dispensation of the fulness of the times".
'Having abolished in His flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in Himself of twain (Jew & Gentile) one new man,
so making peace; (eirene:- to join)
And that He might reconcile both unto God
in one body by the cross, (soma:- a sound whole)
having slain the enmity thereby:'
(Eph 2:15-16)
'That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, (sugklēronomos:- joint heirs)
and of the same body, (sussōmos:- a joint body)
and partakers of His promise in Christ (summetochos:- joint partakers)
by the gospel:'
(Eph 3:6)
'There is one body, and one Spirit,
even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;'
(Eph 4:4)
'But speaking the truth in love,
may grow up into Him in all things,
which is the head, even Christ:
From whom the whole body
fitly joined together and compacted (sunarmologeō:- joined together)(sumbibazō:- knit together)
by that which every joint supplieth,
according to the effectual working
in the measure of every part,
maketh increase of the body
unto the edifying of itself in love.'
(Eph 4:15-16)
'For the husband is the head of the wife,
even as Christ is the head of the church:
and He is the saviour of the body. (sōtēr - deliverer - only here)
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ,
so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
(Eph 5:23-24)
See also:-Col 1:18; 1:24; 2:18-19; 3:15;
Please Compare:- Rom. 12:4-5; 1 Cor. 12:12-31.
* It is over to you now, @Doug. If I find anything appropriate to add I will return.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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'Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren,
that through this man (ie., Christ Jesus)
is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
And by Him (i.e., Christ Jesus) all that believe are justified from all things,
from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. '
(Act 13:38-39)
'Now when the congregation was broken up,
many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas:
who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.'
(Act 13:43)
'Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith
without the deeds of the law.'
(Rom 3:28)
Hello @Doug,
Yes, Paul preached, 'the forgiveness of sins' and 'Justification by faith'. but we have shown this to be true in previous posts, I believe. Why have you drawn this to our attention?
Forgive me I'm tired.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
;Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day,
witnessing both to small and great,
saying none other things
than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
That Christ should suffer,
and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.'
(Act 26:22-23)
'And when they had appointed Him a day,
there came many to him into his lodging;
to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God,
persuading them concerning Jesus,
both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets,
from morning till evening.
And some believed the things which were spoken,
and some believed not.'
(Act 28:23-24)
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Hello @Doug
Please consider:-
'For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith:
as it is written, The just shall live by faith.'
(Rom 1:17)
'Now the just shall live by faith:
but if any man draw back,
my soul shall have no pleasure in him.'
(Heb 10:38)
* Compare Habbakuk 2:4:-
'Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him:
but the just shall live by his faith.'
(Hab 2:4)
* So justification by faith is found in the Old Testament Prophets, and I believe that all of what Paul preached prior to his appearing before Agrippa, and the testimony he made regarding the content of his preaching to that date, will be found to be confirmed in every regard. For God says what He means and means what He says, and Paul was the Apostle of the risen Christ, so would do likewise.
* I shall look for more examples.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
witnessing both to small and great,
saying none other things
than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
That Christ should suffer,
and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.'
(Act 26:22-23)
'And when they had appointed Him a day,
there came many to him into his lodging;
to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God,
persuading them concerning Jesus,
both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets,
from morning till evening.
And some believed the things which were spoken,
and some believed not.'
(Act 28:23-24)
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Hello @Doug
Please consider:-
'For therein is the righteousness of God revealed
from faith to faith:
as it is written, The just shall live by faith.'
(Rom 1:17)
'Now the just shall live by faith:
but if any man draw back,
my soul shall have no pleasure in him.'
(Heb 10:38)
* Compare Habbakuk 2:4:-
'Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him:
but the just shall live by his faith.'
(Hab 2:4)
* So justification by faith is found in the Old Testament Prophets, and I believe that all of what Paul preached prior to his appearing before Agrippa, and the testimony he made regarding the content of his preaching to that date, will be found to be confirmed in every regard. For God says what He means and means what He says, and Paul was the Apostle of the risen Christ, so would do likewise.
* I shall look for more examples.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
same peter preached the same gospel he did to the jews
to the gentile house of cornelious .
And the same paul who would become apostel to the gentiles
went into every jewish synagogue
preaching the same gospel to both jews and greeks .
WHEN is this generation gonna figure out they all PREACHED THE ONE SAME GOSPEL .
We been hoodwinked by men big time .
Time we bible up for ourselves and real , and i do mean , real FAST .
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