What Was Before the Creation?

[WalterandDebbie]

Saturday, 7-26-25 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tammuz 30, 5785, 37th. Day Of Summer.

What was it before the Creation, before even Gen 1:1 has begun? Before the creation, there was nothing; nothing existed but the Everlasting One, YHVH. Before the process of creation has even begun, YHVH (His Name means “He who exists continually”) was Yachid, the only One, no one else; after the creation He became Echad, He and His creation are together, one or unity. Yachid is exclusive; Echad is inclusive.

We will rewind the time and try to explain what it was before the Creation. The reader has therefore to expect that the subject mentioned in this introduction is a matter of private interpretation to the best knowledge of the present author. We are not concerned with cryptic matters beyond the realm of comprehension, and the secrets that transcends human intellect, but it is incumbent upon us to know matters that are revealed to us.

It all began with “In the beginning”, to which we now turn.

2Enoch, Chapter 24:1-5: Of the great secrets of God, which God revealed and told Enoch, and spoke with him face to face. … “Enoch, beloved, all that you see, all things that are standing finished I tell to you even before the very beginning, all that I created from non-being, and visible things from invisible… For before all things were visible, I alone used to go about in the invisible things, like the sun from east to west, and from west to east. … I conceived the thought of placing foundations, and of creating visible creation”.

But before that YHVH needed to conceive the thought of creating the visible creation. That thought was the “blueprint”, so to speak, the primordial state of the universe, and from the moment on He exists as the Elohim, the Absolute Creative Power: YHVH became Elohim.

What Was Before the Creation? | Time of Reckoning Ministry

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Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[bdavidc]

Saturday, 7-26-25 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tammuz 30, 5785, 37th. Day Of Summer.

What was it before the Creation, before even Gen 1:1 has begun? Before the creation, there was nothing; nothing existed but the Everlasting One, YHVH. Before the process of creation has even begun, YHVH (His Name means “He who exists continually”) was Yachid, the only One, no one else; after the creation He became Echad, He and His creation are together, one or unity. Yachid is exclusive; Echad is inclusive.

We will rewind the time and try to explain what it was before the Creation. The reader has therefore to expect that the subject mentioned in this introduction is a matter of private interpretation to the best knowledge of the present author. We are not concerned with cryptic matters beyond the realm of comprehension, and the secrets that transcends human intellect, but it is incumbent upon us to know matters that are revealed to us.

It all began with “In the beginning”, to which we now turn.

2Enoch, Chapter 24:1-5: Of the great secrets of God, which God revealed and told Enoch, and spoke with him face to face. … “Enoch, beloved, all that you see, all things that are standing finished I tell to you even before the very beginning, all that I created from non-being, and visible things from invisible… For before all things were visible, I alone used to go about in the invisible things, like the sun from east to west, and from west to east. … I conceived the thought of placing foundations, and of creating visible creation”.

But before that YHVH needed to conceive the thought of creating the visible creation. That thought was the “blueprint”, so to speak, the primordial state of the universe, and from the moment on He exists as the Elohim, the Absolute Creative Power: YHVH became Elohim.

What Was Before the Creation? | Time of Reckoning Ministry

timeofreckoning.org

Love, Walter And Debbie

What you’re teaching here is unbiblical. There is no teaching in Scripture that YHVH “became” Elohim. There is no teaching in Scripture that He changed from Yachid to Echad after creation. God does not grow or change in nature, He is eternal, unchanging, and complete in Himself. “I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6).

You also quoted from 2 Enoch. This is not inspired Scripture. It is an extra-biblical, man-made work that has no place in our search for truth about God. When we leave the word of God and begin to rely on mystical and philosophical musings to explain God, we only court error.

“The secret things belong unto the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong unto us” (Deuteronomy 29:29). God’s inner thought process prior to creation is not revealed in Scripture. And when we venture to speak where God has not spoken, we have crossed a line.

Stay in the word of God. Truth is found there. Not in mystical explanations, and not in books which God never wrote.

 

[bdavidc]

timeofreckoning.org

Love, Walter And Debbie

Warning - timeofreckoning.org – is a website full of false teaching.

You should not follow or promote this website or its teachings. It is a clever mix of truth and deception, and that is what makes it so dangerous.

It borrows religious-sounding biblical phrases, “I believe,” “Creator,” “Torah”, even quotes some Scripture, but denies God has fully revealed Himself through Jesus Christ. It is based on Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of rabbinical Jewish tradition (NOT Scripture), it is a writing that rejects the New Testament, the deity of Jesus, and the true gospel.

They even threw in a nebulous phrase about believing “Yehoshua is Mashiach” just to call him the messenger of His Face instead of the Lord (Creator) Son of God, God in the flesh (John 1:1,14). That is not the Jesus of the Bible.

This site contains a false gospel. It preaches a works-based religion based on rabbinic tradition, not salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2: 8–9), and it denies the final authority of the entire Bible and especially the New Covenant established in the blood of Christ (Luke 22:20, Hebrews 8:6–13).

Let me be blunt: there is no other way to the Father except through Jesus (John 14:6) and any gospel that does not proclaim Jesus as the crucified and risen Son of God is a false gospel (Galatians 1:6–9).

Don’t be deceived by the spiritual sounding language or some partial truths. This is not biblical Christianity, it’s a distortion, a carefully crafted rejection of it. Stay away.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

What you’re teaching here is unbiblical. There is no teaching in Scripture that YHVH “became” Elohim. There is no teaching in Scripture that He changed from Yachid to Echad after creation. God does not grow or change in nature, He is eternal, unchanging, and complete in Himself. “I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6).

You also quoted from 2 Enoch. This is not inspired Scripture. It is an extra-biblical, man-made work that has no place in our search for truth about God. When we leave the word of God and begin to rely on mystical and philosophical musings to explain God, we only court error.

“The secret things belong unto the LORD our God, but those things which are revealed belong unto us” (Deuteronomy 29:29). God’s inner thought process prior to creation is not revealed in Scripture. And when we venture to speak where God has not spoken, we have crossed a line.

Stay in the word of God. Truth is found there. Not in mystical explanations, and not in books which God never wrote.

Good morning bdavidc,

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:

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Love, Walter And Debbie​

 

[bdavidc]

Good morning bdavidc,

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:​

Appealing to a unity verse does not change the facts. Unity without truth is simply compromise. Ephesians 4 is not telling us to sweep false doctrine under the rug in the name of unity, it’s telling us to stop being “like ships driven about by the waves and tossed” by it. (Ephesians 4:14)

The teaching I opposed was false teaching. There is no verse in the Bible that says YHVH “became” Elohim or that He went from being a yachid to being echad. God does not change. Malachi 3: 6: “For I the LORD change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

And using 2 Enoch, an uninspired, man-made book, to define God is idolatrous. If it’s not in the Bible, it’s not from God. Deuteronomy 29: 29: “The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.” We have no right to make up doctrine where God has left us in silence.

If we are going to discuss unity, it has to be unity in the truth, not unity in error. Otherwise, we’re only playing games.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Appealing to a unity verse does not change the facts. Unity without truth is simply compromise. Ephesians 4 is not telling us to sweep false doctrine under the rug in the name of unity, it’s telling us to stop being “like ships driven about by the waves and tossed” by it. (Ephesians 4:14)

The teaching I opposed was false teaching. There is no verse in the Bible that says YHVH “became” Elohim or that He went from being a yachid to being echad. God does not change. Malachi 3: 6: “For I the LORD change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

And using 2 Enoch, an uninspired, man-made book, to define God is idolatrous. If it’s not in the Bible, it’s not from God. Deuteronomy 29: 29: “The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.” We have no right to make up doctrine where God has left us in silence.

If we are going to discuss unity, it has to be unity in the truth, not unity in error. Otherwise, we’re only playing games.

bdavidc, I'm talking about Loving His Truth.

Love, Walter

 

[bdavidc]

bdavidc, I'm talking about Loving His Truth.

Love, Walter

You say you’re talking about “loving His truth”, but if you loved His truth, you wouldn’t defend false teaching. You wouldn’t tolerate it. You cannot love God’s truth and embrace ideas that go against that truth. That’s not love. That’s deception. Jude 1: 3 says we are to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” We are not to erase lines in the name of love.

“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth,” Jesus said in John 17:17. God’s truth comes only from God’s Word, not feelings, slogans for unity, or extra-biblical materials. And when someone teaches error, whether it’s about who God is or how salvation works, love doesn’t let it slide. Love speaks the truth (Ephesians 4:15). Love of the truth means speaking against the lies, regardless of how kindly they are wrapped.

No, it’s not divisive to do that. It’s obedience to Scripture. Paul said, “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” (Galatians 5:9). That’s why we should not tolerate false doctrine. We should expose it. God doesn’t command unity at the expense of truth. He commands unity in the Spirit and in the faith (Ephesians 4: 3,13), and that only happens when we stand on the same truth, the same thing, and that’s His Word. If you love His truth, then stop defending what His Word does not say.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

You say you’re talking about “loving His truth”, but if you loved His truth, you wouldn’t defend false teaching. You wouldn’t tolerate it. You cannot love God’s truth and embrace ideas that go against that truth. That’s not love. That’s deception. Jude 1: 3 says we are to “earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.” We are not to erase lines in the name of love.

“Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth,” Jesus said in John 17:17. God’s truth comes only from God’s Word, not feelings, slogans for unity, or extra-biblical materials. And when someone teaches error, whether it’s about who God is or how salvation works, love doesn’t let it slide. Love speaks the truth (Ephesians 4:15). Love of the truth means speaking against the lies, regardless of how kindly they are wrapped.

No, it’s not divisive to do that. It’s obedience to Scripture. Paul said, “A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” (Galatians 5:9). That’s why we should not tolerate false doctrine. We should expose it. God doesn’t command unity at the expense of truth. He commands unity in the Spirit and in the faith (Ephesians 4: 3,13), and that only happens when we stand on the same truth, the same thing, and that’s His Word. If you love His truth, then stop defending what His Word does not say.

You Sound Like You Are The Judge In Matthew 7:1-6

 

[Exegesis]

What was it before the Creation, before even Gen 1:1 has begun?

This right here:

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Before the Creation, there was the Trinity:

1. Word was with God
2. Word was God
3. Holy Spirit

The Word is always alive through the Spirit, therefore Spirit is there by default.

God has always been a Trinity.

 

[Exegesis]

...For before all things were visible, I alone used to go about in the invisible things, like the sun from east to west, and from west to east. … I conceived the thought of placing foundations, and of creating visible creation”.

How do these verses fit into your OP?

Proverbs 8:22-30 - "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;"

 

[WalterandDebbie]

How do these verses fit into your OP?

Exegesis, I have shared this article before, which is not mine. Did you notice where it came from? But I have not received an answer from The LORD.

 

[bdavidc]

You Sound Like You Are The Judge In Matthew 7:1-6

No, I am not the judge, the Word of God is. And that’s what you’re conveniently overlooking.

Look, I’m being honest here and where ever you are getting your information from, it’s not from the Bible. But whateverit is, it sure has you ticked off. That should clue you in right there. If it irritates you when a plain reading of God’s Word is quoted, it’s not because someone is being “judgmental” toward you, it’s conviction. And instead of receiving it, you are trying to silence it by mangling Scripture out of context.

You are on the defensive against your false teaching, and that’s never a good place to be. The Bible says, “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God” (2 John 1:9). You can’t deny the truth and expect to walk with God. The gospel is not whatever makes you feel good; it is what God has revealed in His Word. And His Word is the only standard that will judge us all (John 12:48). So no, I’m not your judge. The Word of God will be and it’s not changing for anyone.

Repent while there is still time.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

No, I am not the judge, the Word of God is. And that’s what you’re conveniently overlooking.

Look, I’m being honest here and where ever you are getting your information from, it’s not from the Bible. But whateverit is, it sure has you ticked off. That should clue you in right there. If it irritates you when a plain reading of God’s Word is quoted, it’s not because someone is being “judgmental” toward you, it’s conviction. And instead of receiving it, you are trying to silence it by mangling Scripture out of context.

You are on the defensive against your false teaching, and that’s never a good place to be. The Bible says, “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God” (2 John 1:9). You can’t deny the truth and expect to walk with God. The gospel is not whatever makes you feel good; it is what God has revealed in His Word. And His Word is the only standard that will judge us all (John 12:48). So no, I’m not your judge. The Word of God will be and it’s not changing for anyone.

Repent while there is still time.

You Are Overlooking Yourself, Even The WORDS OF OUR MAKER.

 

[bdavidc]

You Are Overlooking Yourself, Even The WORDS OF OUR MAKER.

No, you're overlooking the Word of God. You talk about "our Maker," but you're rejecting what He actually said. If you won't accept Scripture, then you're not following Him, no matter how spiritual you sound.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

No, you're overlooking the Word of God. You talk about "our Maker," but you're rejecting what He actually said. If you won't accept Scripture, then you're not following Him, no matter how spiritual you sound.

The LORD Yeshua Is Wonderful, He Is The Only one who knows About Us For Sure.

 

[Jay Ross]

The title question is, "What was before the creation?" The simple answer is just God.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

The title question is, "What was before the creation?" The simple answer is just God.

Hello, Brother Jay, is that all for now? You can say? You have said more about other issues.

 

[Taken]

What Was Before the Creation?

I would say God and His Thoughts and Ideas.

We think about Angels and Mankind…
But seriously…the number of diverse animals and insects is utterly astounding.
And the diverse trees and plants and weeds amazing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Gottservant]

[...]

What was it before the Creation, before even Gen 1:1 has begun? Before the creation, there was nothing; nothing existed but the Everlasting One, YHVH.

[...]

I was going to write a reply, about the Devil being excited and God treating him indifferently, but your answer was even earlier than that!

Yes! There was One God and there was no other but He and His Son and the Holy Spirit and Wisdom.

 

[amigo de christo]

What Was Before the Creation?

I would say God and His Thoughts and Ideas.

We think about Angels and Mankind…
But seriously…the number of diverse animals and insects is utterly astounding.
And the diverse trees and plants and weeds amazing.

Glory to God,
Taken

Wanna know what i find astounding .
The number of diverse and strange lovey do doctrines
and diverse plantings of all kinds of mindsets and OH YEAH MANY WEEDS , aka tares
are all over the place .
And friend i was just talking about much of christendom .
so the question was what was before creation .
WELL , I KNOW FOR SURE GOD WAS . SEEING HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN and existed in a time we cannot even begin
to fathom that has no end and no beginning .
BUT i think the far better question that begs to be asked told and said to this generation is
WHERE will many be AFTER the destruction of the old world and heavens .
Well , if they KNEW JESUS in a far better place . If not , i am sure wailing will be heared..........
Might i suggest that no man , woman or child ever once dares to even put their lips to the cup of the upmost
fornication and rebellious drink to have been offered .
Now they call it love and loving and cliam its of GOD and they hug and hold to interfaith
BUT OH ME and OH MY , it aint of GOD AT ALL . But it sure is of he who always has desired to be AS GOD .
And taken , NONE OF US WANTS TO FOLLOW that one , that ride ends IN PERDITION .