Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Eternally Grateful]

I know why you dont want to look at history. No one believed your drivel before the 1500s. I get it believe me.

lol

I know why youi want to look at history. The bible alone proves you wrong.

We should learn the mistake of the jews. they pushed history. they used this to crucify Christ.

but hey, you want to put the words of men over the words of God. feel free.

when your ready to talk about the inspired words of God. and not words of men. let me know

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What are you saying, that James was wrong?

No

I am saying your interpretation of James is wrong. and it is causing massive contradiction with pauls words.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Most will not study church history.
It's dangerous to one's doctrinal beliefs.
Better to believe the odd ideas that have recently come about.
Why believe what the Apostles taught?
It's not like they spent years with Jesus and learned from Him !
Sad stuff.

The word of God is inspired

History is written by men, and those who rule write their own history.

Typical you all do not want to look to the word.. you need to look at what men thought..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yep.

I was told.

told what?

But I changed my mind, some people are able.

I am not convinced you really believed in eternal security

Because Scripture told me so, still do.

Yes it tells you you have eternal life, not conditional life

Eh ?

I did not, still not.

Why on Earth do you say that?

Because you are trusting self and your ability and works. and not God. If you trusted in God. you would still believe in eternal security

We are talking about the interpretation of Scripture passages, truth seeking, nothing to do trusting the Lord.

You might. I am talking about trusting God.

Did I trust God. and do I still (I will have works) or did I have mere words but no faith. hence I have no works?

or do I trust God. but no so much I believe he can save me completely I have to add works to keep myself saved (trust in self)

101% serious.

so if you can never meet Gods standard. why do you think you must still try to keep yourself saved?

Why do you say I think that?

because of the conditional security you are trying to live under..

I don't.

Are you sure?

Ah, you could not resist, judgement.

I just asked a question.

do you?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That.

yes. this is what James said

If I say I have faith. and try to act like a christian claiming I am one. But I have zero zip nada works. My faith is dead

I was never saved (I did not lose salvation)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's correct Behold.

But Jesus ALSO said -

Matt 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.

So Jesus is talking about those who endured to the end (death).

this is not talking about eternal salvation.

in order for you to endure to the end. you would have to be sinless.. from the time you were saved. until the end.

no one fits that bill

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Jude speaks of those "Twice dead" and plucked by the roots. Those are ones who did not bear any fruit. This is inline with what Jesus said about those who do not bear fruit:

Jude 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

they were never saved,

hence why they never bore fruit

 

[nedsk]

What you posted is "Universalism".....= that everyone is automatically saved, based on being Born.
And this is of course a lie, because the gospel of Universalism is a "doctrine of devils".
Jesus corrects this CULT lie and tells us that we must be "born again" to become "Saved".
Not water baptised, but BORN.... again... Spiritually.

A.) God has offered Jesus as the Universal OFFER of Salvation, and "all who will believe", shall be saved"...... John 3:16-17

YOU said faith doesnt save Jesus dying on the cross saves. You are a very confused person

 

[Eternally Grateful]

YOU said faith doesnt save Jesus dying on the cross saves. You are a very confused person

well technically it is grace that saved through the cross.

But we recieve it in faith..

for it is by grace we have been saved (a completed action) through faith. Not of ourselves. it is the gift of god. not of works lest we should boast.

 

[nedsk]

What is more prideful then a cult member who believes that their denomination is the "one true church" and all others are not?

And the pathetic thing, is that they are taught this PRIDE, by their MaryCult.

You dont even realize what you're saying. YOU said faith doesnt save. You just talk to hear your own voice

 

[nedsk]

lol

I know why youi want to look at history. The bible alone proves you wrong.

We should learn the mistake of the jews. they pushed history. they used this to crucify Christ.

but hey, you want to put the words of men over the words of God. feel free.

when your ready to talk about the inspired words of God. and not words of men. let me know

The bible says faith is completed by works. By definition that means faith alone is not sufficient just like who said? Oh right James and not your pastor who was a cashier 3 weeks ago. LMBO

 

[nedsk]

well technically it is grace that saved through the cross.

But we recieve it in faith..

for it is by grace we have been saved (a completed action) through faith. Not of ourselves. it is the gift of god. not of works lest we should boast.

Ok then EVERYONE is "technically" saved by grace through the cross.

The problem for you is you is , see a man is saved by works AND not by faith alone. Oops

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The bible says faith is completed by works.

Yes, in the context of james, Faith is completed by works (works causes our faith to grow. we saw with Abraham, he was saved by a little faith in Gen 15. But it did not dtsy little. it grew.. it gre to the point he offered his son.. his faith was perfected by taking steps of faith (works)

By definition that means faith alone is not sufficient just like who said?

Only if Paul is wrong. and Jesus is wrong

again, we are sabed by grace alone.. We will only receive it in faith.. God will not force it on you. nor will he give it to you if he knows your faith is not real.

Oh right James and not your pastor who was a cashier 3 weeks ago. LMBO

I would not be laughing my friend. this is a decision that will depend our eternity.

we can not both be right.

I chose to follow James and Paul in a way they do not contradict each other

You for some reason want them apposed.. which is sad

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok then EVERYONE is "technically" saved by grace through the cross.

Yes they could be

but God will not force it on you. They must receive it in faith

The problem for you is you is , see a man is saved by works AND not by faith alone. Oops

No.

Not of works lest anyone should boast.. Not of ourselves.

Paul could not be any more clear that our works can not saver us

we are saved by grace, and if it is of grace it is no longer of works


eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE. But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No.

ONLY works that YOU do for and by your OWN will.
Works that God prepared for you to complete (Eph. 2:10) cannot be evil in His sight.

I used the stool as a metaphor for faith.
Faith has more elements than just “belief” (1 leg).

Belief, trust, surrender and works are ALL elements (legs) of what “Faith” is,

You rfirst statement is 100% correct.

And yes is a far more complicated thing that just accepting a set of facts about jesus.

biblical faith causes one to be born again, become a new creature, given the mind of Christ, and starts the process Jesus wioll perform tillwe go home of confoming us to His image.

True biblical faith is a massive transforming thing.

 

[Behold]

Jude 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

There were no Christians when Jesus was completing His Ministry.
There were only Jews., who were unsaved.

After Jesus died, Christianty was Born., So, "church doctrine" starts there.......not before.

 

[Behold]

You dont even realize what you're saying. YOU said faith doesnt save. You just talk to hear your own voice

Faith does not Save.

God is the Savior, not Faith.
Jesus is the Sacrifice.

God accepts your faith, one time, to give you His Salvation who is Jesus on The Cross.

 

[Behold]

YOU said faith doesnt save Jesus dying on the cross saves. You are a very confused person

Unless Faith died on The Cross, then its not the Savior.

Who did die on The Cross?

A.) The Savior

 

[BreadOfLife]

You rfirst statement is 100% correct.

And yes is a far more complicated thing that just accepting a set of facts about jesus.

biblical faith causes one to be born again, become a new creature, given the mind of Christ, and starts the process Jesus wioll perform tillwe go home of confoming us to His image.

True biblical faith is a massive transforming thing.

I agree with that assessment.

I also know that the Bible teaches that it is something that can be lost by our own doing
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Faith does not Save.

God is the Savior, not Faith.
Jesus is the Sacrifice.

God accepts your faith, one time, to give you His Salvation who is Jesus on The Cross.

The fact that Jesus does for ALL doesn’t save a SINGLE person - unless that person has faith in Him.

We are saved BY His sacrifice – but only THROUGH our faith (Eph 2:8-10).