Let's exegete Hebrews 10:37 in context

[ScottA]

Yea, but what kind of leaven is in your bread? Every one of us can claim we have the truth given to us by the Holy Spirit yet there probably aren’t two people on the planet that completely agree on every single verse.

Why should we think your (exegete) method of determining what has been fulfilled or not fulfilled is more accurate than someone else’s?

You misunderstand.

The reason I responded the way I did, was to say that my answer was not of men or of this world (not a stone), but from God (bread from heaven).

 

[grafted branch]

You misunderstand.

The reason I responded the way I did, was to say that my answer was not of men or of this world (not a stone), but from God (bread from heaven).

Ok, fair enough, but if two people have different interpretations of the same verse, the interpretation that has the most corroboration with other verses tends to be looked at as having a higher probability of being correct than an interpretation that simply claims it’s true because that particular interpretation came from the Holy Spirit.

 

[ScottA]

Ok, fair enough, but if two people have different interpretations of the same verse, the interpretation that has the most corroboration with other verses tends to be looked at as having a higher probability of being correct than an interpretation that simply claims it’s true because that particular interpretation came from the Holy Spirit.

You are being kind, thank you!

Yes, it is true what you say, but only true among those who merely interpret by the best of their knowledge and ability, even with the Holy Spirit. Even with the Holy Spirit, because even He cannot give what is not given to Him, for He does not give what is His, but rather what is Jesus'. Which is all according to the fulness of time according to the Father, wherein we should know and distinguish as not fully to come until after the teachings of false teachers, and just before the seventh angel, when he is about to sound. This is that time, and this is the Spirit by whom I am now speaking--which was to come, and has come.

 

[ScottA]

SCRIPTURE!!!!! I will deal only with Scripture. You keep throwing out your conjectures without scriptural support. I have no time for that. "Greater context that involves the whole body"??????? "End of the Church age"??????? "Foreshadowing of firstfruits"????????? "The greater truth of all scripture"????????

Here's rightly dividing the Word of Truth--

"In a VERY, VERY LITTLE WHILE He who IS COMING will COME and will NOT DELAY" (Heb. 10:37). The writer is cleary and without ANY ambiguity stating that in HIS day, the Lord was coming and would NOT DELAY! It is YOU who "divide out what you prefer." Don't accuse others of what you are guilty.

You should take your own advice.

Why do you assume I have been throwing out my own "conjecture?" I have not--but you have--not including in your interpretation the greater context, which you apparently have no knowledge of.

But you assume on many fronts. I have included, apparently more than you know to include. But why assume the worse? Is it not written that we would be led not only unto the immediate contextual truth, but all truth: that the greater mystery of God would be finished as He declared to His servants the prophets--but only when the seventh angel is about to sound--by God's own method?

What did you think--that having the Holy Spirit you could make void what was foretold, by your own studies of the scriptures--that you could send what was to come back to where it came, with your little studies?

Is this what is to be written of you?

 

[grafted branch]

This is that time, and this is the Spirit by whom I am now speaking--which was to come, and has come.

Ok, but here’s the problem, two people can both make the claim that it is by that Spirit by which they are speaking and those two people disagree on how to interpret a verse.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

The only way to test the spirit is by comparing it to the scriptures, right? And which ever interpretation has the corroboration of the scriptures should be looked at as being the more trustworthy, right? Would you agree, or do you see another way of testing the spirits?

 

[HappyOma]

Yea, but what kind of leaven is in your bread? Every one of us can claim we have the truth given to us by the Holy Spirit yet there probably aren’t two people on the planet that completely agree on every single verse.

Why should we think your (exegete) method of determining what has been fulfilled or not fulfilled is more accurate than someone else’s?

Grafted branch, what is your interpretation of Hebrews 10:37?

 

[ScottA]

Ok, but here’s the problem, two people can both make the claim that it is by that Spirit by which they are speaking and those two people disagree on how to interpret a verse.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

No, those who disagree are not speaking by the same spirit. Which is the choice set before all: "life and death, blessing and cursing." Which is not made void by the gift of the Holy Spirit. To the contrary, He who restrains, restrains until He is taken out of the way. Meaning that time of the finishing of the mystery of God before the sounding of the seventh angel. This is that time--but that does not mean that all receive all--but rather as God never changes, the finish is to come and has come, according to His former method.

 

[HappyOma]

You should take your own advice.

Why do you assume I have been throwing out my own "conjecture?" I have not--but you have--not including in your interpretation the greater context, which you apparently have no knowledge of.

But you assume on many fronts. I have included, apparently more than you know to include. But why assume the worse? Is it not written that we would be led not only unto the immediate contextual truth, but all truth: that the greater mystery of God would be finished as He declared to His servants the prophets--but only when the seventh angel is about to sound--by God's own method?

What did you think--that having the Holy Spirit you could make void what was foretold, by your own studies of the scriptures--that you could send what was to come back to where it came, with your little studies?

Is this what is to be written of you?

You ARE throwing out "conjecture" every time you mention, without scriptural support, some "greater context."

Scott A, unless we are going to actually discuss Scripture, I have no desire to continue hearing opinions. We find the truth in these matters by looking at the very words found in the Word. That is what I want to do.

 

[HappyOma]

The "promised hope" came with the COMING of the LORD to THEM "in a very, very little while" in THEIR day. It's over.

Sad emojis are not arguments of debate! Refute me, if you can, with words and SCRIPTURE!

 

[HappyOma]

No, those who disagree are not speaking by the same spirit. Which is the choice set before all: "life and death, blessing and cursing." Which is not made void by the gift of the Holy Spirit. To the contrary, He who restrains, restrains until He is taken out of the way. Meaning that time of the finishing of the mystery of God before the sounding of the seventh angel. This is that time--but that does not mean that all receive all--but rather as God never changes, the finish is to come and has come, according to His former method.

Could you please not take my thread off topic. We are discussing Hebrews 10:37.

 

[grafted branch]

Grafted branch, what is your interpretation of Hebrews 10:37?

Hebrews 10:37 meant that He was going to come shortly and He did come in 70AD. That verse got fulfilled just as it said it would.

 

[XtraPercept]

Again, diversion.

Distraction, dissociation, cognitive dissonance. Where you believe different and conflicting ideas while holding both to be true simultaneously. It is irrational, illogical, and unreasonable. You do not even know what you stand on. You do not understand your own foundations. You do not seek the deeper meaning of the words you use and this is why you are angry.

Seek the Truth. You can feel Him. You can sense Him and that is why you are seeking here. You find Him. But seek sensibility. The Master is absolutely sensational.

 

[ScottA]

You ARE throwing out "conjecture" every time you mention, without scriptural support, some "greater context."

Scott A, unless we are going to actually discuss Scripture, I have no desire to continue hearing opinions. We find the truth in these matters by looking at the very words found in the Word. That is what I want to do.

Now you lie, for I have not thrown out conjecture or given my opinion, as it is not me who has been speaking. As for the scriptures, I gave you more than you asked for, which your reject, apparently because it does not fit within the limit you have imposed. But you are not the measure of all that is true. In any case, it is the scriptures that I have explained according to the fulness thereof. But it is your thread--so do as you will. So shall it be written of you.

 

[ScottA]

Could you please not take my thread off topic. We are discussing Hebrews 10:37.

I have not taken the thread off the Hebrews 10:37 topic, you have by setting your own limit on it short of the fulness thereof, against the greater glory of God. Have you not read, that "with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you?"

 

[HappyOma]

Hebrews 10:37 meant that He was going to come shortly and He did come in 70AD. That verse got fulfilled just as it said it would.

Amen and amen! Thank you, grafted branch, for honoring God's Word!

 

[HappyOma]

Distraction, dissociation, cognitive dissonance. Where you believe different and conflicting ideas while holding both to be true simultaneously. It is irrational, illogical, and unreasonable. You do not even know what you stand on. You do not understand your own foundations. You do not seek the deeper meaning of the words you use and this is why you are angry.

Seek the Truth. You can feel Him. You can sense Him and that is why you are seeking here. You find Him. But seek sensibility. The Master is absolutely sensational.

Discuss Scripture. I know the Master and I honor His words and the Words of the Scripture.

"In a VERY, VERY LITTLE WHILE He who IS COMING will COME and will NOT DELAY."

The meaning is CLEAR.

 

[HappyOma]

Now you lie, for I have not thrown out conjecture or given my opinion, as it is not me who has been speaking. As for the scriptures, I gave you more than you asked for, which your reject, apparently because it does not fit within the limit you have imposed. But you are not the measure of all that is true. In any case, it is the scriptures that I have explained according to the fulness thereof. But it is your thread--so do as you will. So shall it be written of you.

I have to believe something is "conjecdture" and "opinion" when you so often state things WITHOUT any scripture!

"In a VERY, VERY LITTLE WHILE He who IS COMING will COME and will NOT DELAY." It is clear to any who are not blinded by their preconceived ideas.

 

[HappyOma]

I have not taken the thread off the Hebrews 10:37 topic, you have by setting your own limit on it short of the fulness thereof, against the greater glory of God. Have you not read, that "with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you?"

What have you been posting that has anything directly related to Hebrews 10:37? Where have you dealt with this verse in its CONTEXT with full attention to the WORDS?

 

[ScottA]

The only way to test the spirit is by comparing it to the scriptures, right? And which ever interpretation has the corroboration of the scriptures should be looked at as being the more trustworthy, right? Would you agree, or do you see another way of testing the spirits?

Sorry, I stopped short of giving a complete answer before to this part. Had to run.

Corroboration is good of course. But what is missing in that, is hearing His voice. The Pharisees, for example, knew the scriptures quite well, but did not know Christ by His voice--mainly, because they expected something else, and were blinded by their own assumptions. Meanwhile, Israel was led by the spirit, as are we, and the exception that raises above the understanding of men, is what comes from God most commonly initially misunderstood.

Which creates the dilemma we are all faced with: Waiting to see if a claim comes to pass is all well and good after the fact, and if a claim aligns with scripture, that is also good. But that is not the pattern of the past--not completely. Therefore, Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice"--because going forward--just as Peter came to know that Jesus was the Christ--not by study, not entirely by corroboration with scripture--was to be the way going forward. Which is not so different than what was before...it's just that we have also now heard it from Jesus that the only confirmation is spiritual, to which He specifies would come as if by His own voice. Which we know by what is written, came with rejection, with correction, with woe, and yet also good news with authority. But hearing does not easily come to those who are not silent and waiting with expectation.

 

[HappyOma]

Sorry, I stopped short of giving a complete answer before to this part. Had to run.

Corroboration is good of course. But what is missing in that, is hearing His voice. The Pharisees, for example, knew the scriptures quite well, but did not know Christ by His voice--mainly, because they expected something else, and were blinded by their own assumptions. Meanwhile, Israel was led by the spirit, as are we, and the exception that raises above the understanding of men, is what comes from God most commonly initially misunderstood.

Which creates the dilemma we are all faced with: Waiting to see if a claim comes to pass is all well and good after the fact, and if a claim aligns with scripture, that is also good. But that is not the pattern of the past--not completely. Therefore, Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice"--because going forward--just as Peter came to know that Jesus was the Christ--not by study, not entirely by corroboration with scripture--was to be the way going forward. Which is not so different than what was before...it's just that we have also now heard it from Jesus that the only confirmation is spiritual, to which He specifies would come as if by His own voice. Which we know by what is written, came with rejection, with correction, with woe, and yet also good news with authority. But hearing does not easily come to those who are not silent and waiting with expectation.

Again, WHAT does this have to do with Hebrews 10:37?