End time predictions

[covenantee]

The messiah's ministry is not mentioned in the text of Daniel 9. The thinking that Jesus was cutoff in the middle of the seven years is not in Daniel 9:27. That particular thinking is a construed interpretation that some make.

There is not one instance of support for your claims, in the entirety of pre-19th-century historical Christian orthodoxy.

Not one.

Your claims are modernist revisionist heterodoxy.

Naught else.

 

[HappyOma]

The messiah's ministry is not mentioned in the text of Daniel 9. The thinking that Jesus was cutoff in the middle of the seven years is not in Daniel 9:27. That particular thinking is a construed interpretation that some make. John 12:1-15 provides the correct interpretation of the messiah's arrival and being cutoff.

I presented John 12:1-15, as the messiah's arrival in Jerusalem, the passover week he would be cutoff, crucified. Fulfilling Daniel 9:25-26, regarding the messiah's arrival in Jerusalem and his being cutoff.



The 70th week is treated separately from the other 69 weeks (483 years). Daniel 9?27 begins with the confirming of the covenant for 7 years and then in the middle part of the 7 years the daily sacrificed stopped and admonitions begun.

If we were living at the time of Jesus, first century, having this discussion - then no, we could not have foreseen that the 70th week would be over 2000 years later. But now, in hindsight, we know there has been a gap of 2000 years.

There is NO gap between the 69th and 70th Week. Nowhere is that even implied.

 

[Douggg]

There is NO gap between the 69th and 70th Week. Nowhere is that even implied.

I understand that you are emotionally upset because John 12:1-15 disproves your interpretation of the arrival of the messiah and his being cutoff. So you are trying to redirect the focus to the gap that has taken place between the 69 weeks and 70th week. Without ever acknowledging the John 12:1-15 arrival of Jesus in Jerusalem, the week he would be cutoff, crucified.

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 coincides with the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that will follow the Gog/Magog latter day, latter years, attack on Israel in Ezekiel 38-39.

 

[covenantee]

I understand that you are emotionally upset because John 12:1-15 disproves your interpretation of the arrival of the messiah and his being cutoff. So you are trying to redirect the focus to the gap that has taken place between the 69 weeks and 70th week. Without ever acknowledging the John 12:1-15 arrival of Jesus in Jerusalem, the week he would be cutoff, crucified.

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 coincides with the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that will follow the Gog/Magog latter day, latter years, attack on Israel in Ezekiel 38-39.

Daniel wasn't upset.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined...

Not decapitated.
Not disembodied.
Not detached.

Determined.

 

[HappyOma]

I understand that you are emotionally upset because John 12:1-15 disproves your interpretation of the arrival of the messiah and his being cutoff. So you are trying to redirect the focus to the gap that has taken place between the 69 weeks and 70th week. Without ever acknowledging the John 12:1-15 arrival of Jesus in Jerusalem, the week he would be cutoff, crucified.

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 coincides with the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that will follow the Gog/Magog latter day, latter years, attack on Israel in Ezekiel 38-39.

 

[HappyOma]

Daniel wasn't upset.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined...

Not decapitated.
Not disembodied.
Not detached.

Determined.

Did I deny that the seventy weeks were determined? What is your point?
Furthermore, Daniel wasn't upset because he wasn't dealing with people denying what he was saying. Why should he be upset?

 

[covenantee]

Did I deny that the seventy weeks were determined? What is your point?
Furthermore, Daniel wasn't upset because he wasn't dealing with people denying what he was saying. Why should he be upset?

Bro, I was replying to post 143.

 

[HappyOma]

Bro, I was replying to post 143.

Sorry, I thought I was replying to Dougg.

 

[covenantee]

Sorry, I thought I was replying to Dougg.

No prob.

The forum allows responses to any post by any poster. So I responded to post 143, even though it was directed to you, because I had something relevant to it.

@Douggg doesn't understand the word "determined."

 

[HappyOma]

No prob.

The forum allows responses to any post by any poster. So I responded to post 143, even though it was directed to you, because I had something relevant to it.

@Douggg doesn't understand the word "determined."

 

[Douggg]

Did I deny that the seventy weeks were determined? What is your point?
Furthermore, Daniel wasn't upset because he wasn't dealing with people denying what he was saying. Why should he be upset?

Go back and read my post #143. I did not write that Daniel was upset, but that you are emotionally upset because your interpretation of Daniel 9:25-27 has been proven to be wrong by what is written in John 12:1-15.

 

[HappyOma]

Go back and read my post #143. I did not write that Daniel was upset, but that you are emotionally upset because your interpretation of Daniel 9:25-27 has been proven to be wrong by what is written in John 12:1-15.

How does John 12:1-15 prove me wrong? I have no problem with that passage and understand it completely.

 

[Douggg]

How does John 12:1-15 prove me wrong?

Because John 12:1-5 is about the arrival of the messiah to Jerusalem. And contains the passover week that Jesus would be cutoff.

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, hailed as the King of Israel that comes in the name of the Lord. 4 days later he was crucified, cut off. The fulfillment of that after 69 weeks of years, the messiah would arrive, and then be cutoff.

Your erroneous view has the messiah cutoff after 69 1/2 weeks of years. And your erroneous view does not acknowledge the messiah's arrival in Jerusalem.

The 70 weeks of years are determined upon Daniel's people - the Jews - and the holy city - Jerusalem, right ?

 

[Jay Ross]

Your erroneous view . . . . .

Dougggggggg this also speaks critically of what you also post erroneously on this forum as well.

My advice to other members is that is best to leave Dougggggg alone as he refuses to be corrected in his thinking as any interaction only gives him an excuse to continue posting his erroneous diagrams and understandings.

 

[Douggg]

Dougggggggg this also speaks critically of what you also post erroneously on this forum as well.

My advice to other members is that is best to leave Dougggggg alone as he refuses to be corrected in his thinking as any interaction only gives him an excuse to continue posting his erroneous diagrams and understandings.

So, I am correcting what you think about when the messiah was cutoff as well, Jay ? He was not cutoff at 69 1/2 weeks of years.

 

[Jay Ross]

So, I am correcting what you think about when the messiah was cutoff as well, Jay ? He was not cutoff at 69 1/2 weeks of years.

How can you correct anyone when you yourself do not know what the scriptures present. You cannot comprehend what I have posted either.

 

[Douggg]

How can you correct anyone when you yourself do not know what the scriptures present. You cannot comprehend what I have posted either.

Be specific, what does John 12:1-15 present in your opinion ?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Daniel wasn't upset.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined...

Not decapitated.
Not disembodied.
Not detached.

Determined.

Exactly. But, dispies like Douggg change it to thousands of years (instead of 490 years) being determined instead.

 

[Douggg]

Exactly. But, dispies like Douggg change it to thousands of years (instead of 490 years) being determined instead.

I am not a dispensationist. Do I believe that the 7 year 70th week is still unfulfilled, though ? Yes.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I am not a dispensationist.

You pretty much are. You can't convince me otherwise.

Do I believe that the 7 year 70th week is still unfulfilled, though ? Yes.

Because you are a dispensationalist. That is what dispensationalists believe. The idea of a singular future Antichrist comes from dispensationalism as does the idea of the rapture occurring separately some time before the return of Christ in vengeance against His enemies.