EATING AND DRINKING IN THE KINGDOM

[Doug]

God gives no exceptions to be excused from fellowship based on differences in non -soteriological doctrines.

I would like to know what scripture you are referencing here

 

[Doug]

I can and do fellowship with many who hold a different view of eschatology. We both serve and worship the same god as imperfect growing learning believers.

There can be areas of disagreement that dont effect fellowship
This cant be dealt with in generalities
For instance one can say I wont eat pork and another does....we can respect each other here
Avoiding fellowship depends on what doctrine is involved

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The hidden things of God could not be found in scripture

and they are not found by new revelation. Any new revelation that goes against Scripture or requires us to reinterpret Scripture is demonic.

This would say you cant hold to any doctrine if you had to understand all that is written

So then why are you disobeying God by not fellowshipping because neither you or other precious saints are less than 100% correct in all doctrine???

can I ask what scripture are you saying commands fellowship

Heb. 10:25

Hebrews 10:25

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25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

Thats true but we cant capitulate to major doctrine and we can intreat those who which we have disagreements

Major doctrine yes! All others we sure can. And the major doctrines are what are called the five fundamentals of the faith. And as brethren we are commanded to love one another, so that means when we disagree, we can agree to disagree without being disagreeable. and pulling opurselves out of fellowship leaves us vulnerable and open to spiritual attacj=ks.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Satan and his angels will be cast down in Rev 12:9
I think we will fill their positions
You dont have to agree
Paul says we will judge angels

I don't agree, for nowhere in Scipture does it say we take the fallen angels place or that heaven needs to be reconciled.

That is true God will fulfill all promises to Israel

And as you declared this was a reason for you to not fellowship with your brethren, you should know there are legions of churches who believe that. As well as entire systematic theologies on Israelology.

 

[Doug]

and they are not found by new revelation. Any new revelation that goes against Scripture or requires us to reinterpret Scripture is demonic.

I was speaking of the mysteries revealed to Paul in his epistles

 

[Doug]

So then why are you disobeying God by not fellowshipping because neither you or other precious saints are less than 100% correct in all doctrine???

Nobody knows all things
Everyone can be wrong but can correct error
Major doctrinal error is another matter

 

[Doug]

Heb. 10:25

Hebrews 10:25​

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25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

This was written to Israel in the tribulation to endure til the end

 

[Doug]

I don't agree, for nowhere in Scipture does it say we take the fallen angels place or that heaven needs to be reconciled.

And as you declared this was a reason for you to not fellowship with your brethren, you should know there are legions of churches who believe that. As well as entire systematic theologies on Israelology.

too many churches apply Israel's promises, commands, and most importantly the gospel to themselves

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I was speaking of the mysteries revealed to Paul in his epistles

OK, my bad.

Nobody knows all things
Everyone can be wrong but can correct error
Major doctrinal error is another matter

Well I suspect that you use "major doctrinal error" for minor things. what do you consider major doctrinal errors? I hold to the five fundamentals of the faith.

Afalse view of Israelogy is error but not one as an excuse to refuse to fellowship!

This was written to Israel in the tribulation to endure til the end

Wrong!
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Ephesians 4:11-12

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11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

If you are not sitting under the teaching and authority of a pastor/teacher, you are in sin and a rogue Christian. god does not have lone rangers in teh body.

too many churches apply Israel's promises, commands, and most importantly the gospel to themselves

The gospel is for us! we must trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus in order to be saved! That is the only gospel that matters in the church age.

Stop using what some churches teach to excuse you from being part of a local assembly. You are robbing yourself of blessings and being a blessing. You will not mature and your ability to be used of by God will be very very limited.

There are legions of churches that teach proper Israelology and preach the gospel Paul. Peter and JOhn and the rest of the Apostles preached after Pentecost. It is your responsibility to get up out of your chair and find that church that God commands you to be a part of. So go do it.

 

[Doug]

what do you consider major doctrinal errors? I

Applying scripture given to Israel to ourselves including the gospel

 

[Doug]

The gospel is for us! we must trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus in order to be saved! That is the only gospel that matters in the church age.

This is true

 

[Doug]

Wrong!
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Ephesians 4:11-12​

So all scripture is given us to obey right?

Do you obey this?...................[Lev 1:3 KJV] 3 If his offering [be] a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Applying scripture given to Israel to ourselves including the gospel

Sorry, replacement theology is heresy, but it is not cause for you to separate yourself from other saints. How will any learn if you decide to cloister yourself?

Israel is important but it is not a major issue.

So all scripture is given us to obey right?

Do you obey this?...................[Lev 1:3 KJV] 3 If his offering [be] a burnt sacrifice of the herd, let him offer a male without blemish: he shall offer it of his own voluntary will at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation before the LORD.

Are you really going to pull that garbage?

Besides the not forsaking is not future tense but the present active participle- that means you need to keep on doing it!

And other than the pastoral epistles, Paul wrote to local churches- not to people who have decided they are too superior to fellowship with people who hold differences.

 

[Doug]

Sorry, replacement theology is heresy, but it is not cause for you to separate yourself from other saints. How will any learn if you decide to cloister yourself?

Israel is important but it is not a major issue.

It was important enough for Paul and God who inspired this....................[1Ti 1:3 KJV] 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

 

[Doug]

Are you really going to pull that garbage?

Besides the not forsaking is not future tense but the present active participle- that means you need to keep on doing it!

Garbage?
You were telling me to obey a command given to Israel (Hebrews 10:25) which is not given to me, then say it's garbage to ask you if you think you have to obey commands given to Israel

Paul is my apostle..........show me where he commands me to attend church

 

[soberxp]

That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,

6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

6:56
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

@Doug

 

[Doug]

That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom,

6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

6:56
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

@Doug

These two verses are not literal......right?

 

[soberxp]

These two verses are not literal......right?

1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


My mind eating the word of God from the word was made flesh which is Jesus Christ.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It was important enough for Paul and God who inspired this....................[1Ti 1:3 KJV] 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

Think about what you just quoted. Paul told Timothy to stay in Ephesus and clear up those who have been deceived. You on the other hand are doing the opposite.

Please don't say you love brethren if you are willing to abandon people because you disagree and are not willing to earnestly contend for the faith as we are commanded to do in Jude and instead leave them to the deceptions they were taught.

Garbage?
You were telling me to obey a command given to Israel (Hebrews 10:25) which is not given to me, then say it's garbage to ask you if you think you have to obey commands given to Israel

Paul is my apostle..........show me where he commands me to attend church

Well Paul never wrote to you either so why are you trying to obey him? Are you an Ephesian? Philippian? Corinthian?Roman? Colossain? Or are you just going to excliude Hebrews because you have some type of anti semitic bent in you and anything written to jews doesn't apply to you.

I suppose you reject all the words in all four gospels as well. That is sick and you are willing to seperate yourself from brethren for something far less?

Like I wrote you- Paul, outside of the pastoral epistles wrote to local churches, not individuals. He wrote that God gave the church pastor/teachers to mature the saints for th eministry. You have pulled yourself away from that! I will end this here. As long as you intentionally withhold yourself from being in a local assembly, you are in sin, You will not be used except for the most menial things by God, you will not be given great understanding of teh word, for that is given for growth and bless the church.

You are also smug and arrogant for your favorite Paul said and you are guilty of:

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

You reject weaker parts of the body because they have not learned as you have.

Paul also said this:

Galatians 6

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6 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

You are the opposite of spiritual for you withhold yourself instead of going to the brethren to edify and teach them. How can you bear anyones burden when you refuse to fellowship with a local assembly of the people of God?????????????????????

You are convicted by Paul Himself. I have tried to encourage you and stop believing the lie that has ensnared you and is keeping you from being blessed. Have the last word. I have told you and now you are responsible to obey the Word of God!

 

[Doug]

Think about what you just quoted. Paul told Timothy to stay in Ephesus and clear up those who have been deceived. You on the other hand are doing the opposite.

Please don't say you love brethren if you are willing to abandon people because you disagree and are not willing to earnestly contend for the faith as we are commanded to do in Jude and instead leave them to the deceptions they were taught.

[Rom 16:17 KJV] 17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

[2Th 3:14-15 KJV] 14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet count [him] not as an enemy, but admonish [him] as a brother.

[Tit 3:10 KJV] 10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;

As I said it's a personal decision to try to correct church doctrine or decide to leave
Some of the churches are entrenched in their beliefs and you wont change them