JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[Gary Mac]

Born again is the same renewing of your mind that Jesus received in Matt 3:16 in yourself where God reveals in you Who He is and all of His heaven in you to walk as He walks in His same light, in His same image that He creates man to be spiritually. If you do not have that same mind in you from God Himself that Jesus received his nw mind, then you are not born again at all with that same renewing to think in Gods terms instead of your own terms for a god.

 

[Behold]

Born again is the same renewing of your mind

Being born again is to become a "New Creation in Christ" by being spiritually birthed by God's Holy Spirit.

 

[ScottA]

JOHN 3:1 regarding Israel, is a TIME-BASED issue.

All Born Again activity was and is "in Christ"--the timing of which, as with Paul who said "I was crucified with Christ" (past tense)--occurred during the time of Christ's receiving the Holy Spirit when baptized by John in the Jordan. Which, by God's timing--not the timing of this world--meant all were (fore and past tense) born again "with Christ"--for all who are saved are "in Christ."

Therefore, all of the house of Israel whom Christ first came for was born of the Spirit with Christ, which He "finished"; and afterward that an "other fold" of the Gentiles, which He "must also bring", were also born again of the Spirit with Christ. "But" as Paul also said and clarified, "but each one in his own order." Which was to say, "each one (individual) in his own" time in the order of history.

In other words, "rightly dividing" the events of God from the times of this world, Israel was born again of the spirit of God before-the-fact, and the Gentiles after-the-fact. Which, gives credence to the scientific fact that time is an illusion. Such is the "all truth" of God according to "time no longer" revelation.

 

[Behold]

Therefore, all of the house of Israel whom Christ first came for was born of the Spirit with Christ

The House of Israel, the Jews......rejected their Messiah...they were not born again.

How do you know the House of Israel (The Jews) rejected their Messiah?

See The Cross of Christ for your NT Update.... regarding how the House of Israel murdered their Messiah.

Or, go to Acts 2:38, and find the JEWS, the (House of Israel) being told by PETER that they MURDERED their Messiah.
THey asked Him.......when they believed him....>>"what must we do"....

 

[ScottA]

The House of Israel, the Jews......rejected their Messiah...they were not born again.

How do you know the House of Israel (The Jews) rejected their Messiah?

See The Cross of Christ for your NT Update.... regarding how the House of Israel murdered their Messiah.

Or, go to Acts 2:38, and find the JEWS, the (House of Israel) being told by PETER that they MURDERED their Messiah.
THey asked Him.......when they believed him....>>"what must we do"....

Don't assume that Israel's failures, are Christ's failures.

I did not mean that all Israel was saved--no, but rather "Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt" (Daniel 12:2). But the point is--none are born again of the spirit of God, except "in Christ."--which those saved among Israel, were (past tense). "It is finished." ..."Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me" (John 14:6).

 

[PS95]

I agree with all you say

"born again" shows up is when Jesus used it in John:3: 3 & 7 where Jesus was talking about entering the earthly kingdom promised Israel in which they will reign with Christ a thousand years

The only other time it shows up is in 1 Peter 1:23 who was addressing believing Jews

I am only saying that the term "born again" was never used by Paul to describe salvation for the church today the body of Christ

I am only saying this to show that it is scripturally incorrect to apply this term to ourselves........if you want to use it fine go ahead.....it's become culturally ingrained so people know what you are talking about

By the way Bible isn't in scripture either (KJV anyway) but we all use it

I don't think Paul uses that exact expression but he certainly is teaching about all it entails it in all he wrote.
Romans 6 and everywhere! Paul uses expression like made new, new creature, new man vs old man, old self, renewing of the mind , walking in the spirit vs flesh etc etc
Paul is the one who actually explains it.

 

[Webers_Home]

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One morning at church, a substitute Sunday school teacher made us watch a
dramatized version of Joseph's life. When the film ended I raised my hand
and asked the teacher if he thought Joseph was born again.

The teacher became confused and asked me to explain what I meant. So I told
him that Jesus said no one can see the kingdom of God lest they be born again.
I figured "no one" permitted no exceptions and therefore included old testament
folks even as far back as the Adams family.
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[Gary Mac]

Being born again is to become a "New Creation in Christ" by being spiritually birthed by God's Holy Spirit.

Yes that is what I said. Just as Jesus mind, spirit, was renewed by God Himself in Matt 3:16, no different at all same mind be in me who was in Jesus.

 

[Behold]

-none are born again of the spirit of God, except "in Christ."-

The Cross begain "Salvation".
The Cross of Christ birthed (through the Holy Spirit) the NT Church, = the "body of Christ' for the last 2000 yrs.
Prior to The Cross OF CHRIST, there were no Christians, because you have to Have Christ Crucified to begin Christianity.
So, for the last 2000 yrs........any Jew or Gentile who has given God their faith in Christ, has become a Born again Christian.
The Cross of Christ, reconciles human beings to God......one BELIEVER at a time.

 

[Behold]

Yes that is what I said. Just as Jesus mind, spirit, was renewed by God Himself in Matt 3:16, no different at all same mind be in me who was in Jesus.

God's Salvation does not give the "new birth" to your mind....or body.
Its your SPIRIT that is born again.

 

[Gary Mac]

God's Salvation does not give the "new birth" to your mind....or body.
Its your SPIRIT that is born again.

Spirit is your mind. It is who you are not what you are. It is a new way of thinking in Gods terms instead of your own.
That is Christianity 101.

 

[Gary Mac]

The Cross begain "Salvation".
The Cross of Christ birthed (through the Holy Spirit) the NT Church, = the "body of Christ' for the last 2000 yrs.
Prior to The Cross OF CHRIST, there were no Christians, because you have to Have Christ Crucified to begin Christianity.
So, for the last 2000 yrs........any Jew or Gentile who has given God their faith in Christ, has become a Born again Christian.
The Cross of Christ, reconciles human beings to God......one BELIEVER at a time.

Salvation didnt start at the cross at all, it started with Adam he was the very first to receive from God His spiritual knowledge and became like God to know that same difference that Jesus learned from God Himself in Matt 3:16.

We are not exempt from the very same in ourselves. If you have not met God as these did then there is no way you can be born of His Spirit. Truth is when you do see Him as He is as these did, ye shall be like Him. 1 John 3. Just as these did.

 

[Behold]

Spirit is your mind.

Your Spirit is not your mind.

Your Mind is your , will and emotions.......where your feelings exist.

This is not your Spirit.

Man is "Tri-Part"

Body
Soul = "Mind , Will , and Emotions"
Spirit

 

[Behold]

Salvation didnt start at the cross at all,

Salvation was in the Foreknowledge of God, before He created the World.
However, it literally began, as Jesus on The Cross.
This is why Jesus told you that He is the only "WAY" To The Father. John 14:6

Salvation Is Jesus.
Jesus is eternal Life.
The Cross of Christ is where Jesus offered Himself as a living sacrifice to GOD, so that everyone can be reconciled to God, who will believe..........who will give God their Faith in Christ, while they are still alive, as you can't be born again in Hell.
The Cross of Christ birthed Christianity, as there are no Christians found in the bible, or in the world, until Jesus has offered Himself to God on THE CROSS = to BEGIN Christianity....... = one believer born again at a time.

 

[Gary Mac]

Your Spirit is not your mind.

Your Mind is your , will and emotions.......where your feelings exist.

This is not your Spirit.

Man is "Tri-Part"

Body
Soul = "Mind , Will , and Emotions"
Spirit

Yes your will, your emotions, feelings, that does not come with observation, it is invisible, is is who we are not what we are. Spirit denotes mind.

Here is the definition of spirit that you say inst! And then definition for mind that you say isnt.

1. the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.
   "we seek a harmony between body and spirit"
   
   Similar:
   soul
   
   psyche
   
   inner self
   inner being
   essential being
   pneuma
   
   anima
   
   ego
   
   id
   
   ka
   
   atman
   
   
   Opposite:
   body
   
   
   Mind = the element of a person that enables them to be aware of the world and their experiences, to think, and to feel; the faculty of consciousness and thought.
   
   
   a person's intellect.
   
   
   
   • be distressed, annoyed, or worried by. "I don't mind the rain
     2.regard as important; feel concern about.
   • Our mind is our Spirit, our soul. And either you have the mind, Spirit of Christ, which is Gods anointing of mind be your own, Christ in you, or you are not of Gods anointing at all which would be Christ in you. Jesus was of the same anointing from God Himself and said you should have the same and pick up that cross and continue where he left off. Have you obeyed to do so, Or have you made excuses why you are not Gods anointed, His righteous, and be that person of Christ anointed of Him as He puts within man?
     
     
     
     
     
   
   
   
   

 

[Behold]

Yes your will, your emotions, feelings, that does not come with observation, it is invisible,

Man is made in the "image" or likeness of God.
God is a 3>1

Man is also.

Body

Soul = (Mind, Will, Emotions)

SPIRIT

The CHRISTIAN is the "BORN AGAIN" Spirit.......not the mind.

See, when Adam was separated from God by rebellion, and fell.........It was not His MIND that was separated from God, it was a SPIRITUAL Separation.
And when we are reconciled to God, its a Born again SPIRITUAL UNION......= reconciliation., with God.

 

[Gary Mac]

Salvation was in the Foreknowledge of God, before He created the World.
However, it literally began, as Jesus on The Cross.
This is why Jesus told you that He is the only "WAY" To The Father. John 14:6

Salvation Is Jesus.
Jesus is eternal Life.
The Cross of Christ is where Jesus offered Himself as a living sacrifice to GOD, so that everyone can be reconciled to God, who will believe..........who will give God their Faith in Christ, while they are still alive, as you can't be born again in Hell.
The Cross of Christ birthed Christianity, as there are no Christians found in the bible, or in the world, until Jesus has offered Himself to God on THE CROSS = to BEGIN Christianity....... = one believer born again at a time.

Not was -- is. and either you have received the mind of Christ to be anointed of God or you have not.

Jesus was very clear that he was the way the truth and the life and no one come to the Father but by me, and not you, not I, not anyone else can come to the Father except the same way as he did in Matt 3;16. He was very clear in that.

And further more he was very clear in John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Is there a problem that God Himself is not able to give to you that what He gave Jesus in Matt 3:16? Have you never even asked of God to give you the same?

 

[Behold]

Now was -- is. and either you have received the mind of Christ to be anointed of God or you have not.

A Christian is born again Spiritually, or they are just a religious person, who isn't.

 

[Gary Mac]

Man is made in the "image" or likeness of God.
God is a 3>1

Man is also.

Body

Soul = (Mind, Will, Emotions)

SPIRIT

The CHRISTIAN is the "BORN AGAIN" Spirit.......not the mind.

See, when Adam was separated from God by rebellion, and fell.........It was not His MIND that was separated from God, it was a SPIRITUAL Separation.
And when we are reconciled to God, its a Born again SPIRITUAL UNION......= reconciliation., with God.

Well l gave you the definition of Spirit and mind. seems you have your own ideas, definition for it. Your own ways instead of having the mind, Spirit of Christ as your own. As for me I have the mind of Christ, same Spirit in me who was in Christ Jesus. That Spirit is knowledge of mind and that started with Adam Gen 3;22, not Jesus.

 

[Gary Mac]

A Christian is born again Spiritually, or they are just a religious person, who isn't.

That is the total truth!