Daniel 11 What verse does the end time kick in?

[dad]

What are you even talking about?

If you posted that about this comment "No The ruler in the end period possessed by Satan that Jesus will kill and that causes all the world to worship him etc etc" you have no business debating in a prophesy forum

Huh? There is no 'return of Christ' in Daniel 11.

Since the time it happens its the end time of course

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

The time all get delivered is when He returns.

Of course they were delivered. The work of the Cross is finished. That is when Salvation became available to all that were written since the foundation of the world.

Baloney all His people were not delivered at all. They are saved by faith. Some believers will be here in the Tribulation and need delivering in the the end.

Michael stood up many times in Daniel. Look at the context. Michael stands up again and again. He doesn't stand up once in the future and sits and plays video games for eternity.

The context is when all are delivered every one in the book. Also near a time of Tribulation UNLIKE any other time. That means unlike thousands of years ago.

The vile person is Herod who was installed by Rome. You believe that a person who kills many children in order to kill the Messiah is 'silly'?

You should not marginalize something as important as that.

The words were not even possible to understand back thousands of years ago.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Daniel 12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

Daniel 12:4
But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
How many that slept in the dust were raised in Herod's day? Ha How many believers shone as the stars for eternity then? How do you propose that something that was sealed from understanding by God till the end was unsealed back then? Etc etc etc etc

Whatever. It is obvious you are not here to learn or be corrected.

All we can learn is that some are disbelievers and totally clueless to His spirit and Scripture and prophesy. That is a worthwhile lesson.

Delusion?

Yes. Deep. The kind that cannot be accidental.

How do you get 'lusting after men' from this verse?

How do you relegate not desiring women ONLY to the birth of Jesus by a woman?

I already gave the verses.

Baloney. You spammed off topic

Again, it is clear your agenda is to erase Jesus from the Old Testament and twist scripture to suit your false dogma. I am leaving this thread. Good luck.

Having prophesy in any testament is not erasing Jesus. Gong!

 

[Marty fox]

He is a king that lives in the end time and is known by certain traits and actions. So there is plenty.

That’s not correct there are only 4 verses in the entire Bible that mentions antichrist and none of them say that. Hint they are in Johns epistles

You have antichrist confused with the sea beast

 

[dad]

That’s not correct there are only 4 verses in the entire Bible that mentions antichrist and none of them say that. Hint they are in Johns epistles

You have antichrist confused with the sea beast

If you are looking for the word 'AntiChrist' that is just one title of the man of sin. The beast. The son of perdition etc.

 

[Wish-it]

This is hardly "certain!" It is a very arguable point. I and many others have believed that Dan 11 ends with a prophecy about Antiochus 4--not the Antichrist. There is nothing in there about the last days. Any reference to the "time of the end" is a reference to the end of a reign or designated era. It is not of necessity an eschatological statement.

Antiochus 4 caused desolation.

Actually, I think it was *all* about Antiochus 4. This was a significant time in Israel's history, and it was heavily emphasized to Daniel. The account appears to be repeated with different elements brought out.

Antiochus 4 appears in vs 21 and following. It details his reign.

Some of what he does is called the "abomination of desolation," not to be confused with the same term referring to the Roman Army in Dan 9. There were 2 AoDs mentioned in the book of Daniel, Dan 9 and Dan 8,11.

One was Antiochus' act of sacrilege within the temple with an idol. The other was a pagan army violating the premises of holy Jerusalem when they set a siege in order to break through and destroy the temple. My view only.

Obviously, Antiochus' acts of terror, setting up and idol and murdering thousands of Jews, were intended in the book of Daniel to foreshadow the Roman acts of terror, destroying Jerusalem and the Temple. But I think you're right that Antiochus 4 also foreshadows, in some way, the Antichrist.

Whereas I consider its all current Dan 2,7,8,11 and the time of the end is nearly here. The time of the end is probably no different in Dan 8,17,19,26, Dan 11.36, Dan 12.4,9 and 13.

 

[Marty fox]

If you are looking for the word 'AntiChrist' that is just one title of the man of sin. The beast. The son of perdition etc.

That’s not correct as this same John wrote both the book of revelation and his epistles and he names them both differently describes them both differently and even shows that they has different purposes

John also states that antichrist are many

 

[dad]

That’s not correct

Of course it is correct that that final king has many names in the Scripture.

as this same John wrote both the book of revelation and his epistles and he names them both differently describes them both differently and even shows that they has different purposes

I assume you are talking about the false prophet and the beast. Of course they are not the same person.

John also states that antichrist are many

There are many in that spirit of being against Jesus. There is only one final AntiChrist that the Lord will destroy with the brightness of His coming.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Whereas I consider its all current Dan 2,7,8,11 and the time of the end is nearly here. The time of the end is probably no different in Dan 8,17,19,26, Dan 11.36, Dan 12.4,9 and 13.

It's an option you can take, but I think ill-advised. Dan 8 spells out the ancient powers in reference--not an eschatological setting. Dan 11 is understood by most scholars to include a number of historical events describing relations between Syria and Egypt, up to and including the reign of Antiochus 4.

And many scholars recognize that "time of the end" is not a technical term exclusively for the eschatological end of the age. It is a term used in different contexts, sometimes applying to the end of a reign or the end of an era. But you do what you think is right.

 

[Marty fox]

Of course it is correct that that final king has many names in the Scripture.

I assume you are talking about the false prophet and the beast. Of course they are not the same person.

There are many in that spirit of being against Jesus. There is only one final AntiChrist that the Lord will destroy with the brightness of His coming.

No I’m talking about the antichrist in Johns epistles and the beast in revelation did you read the four verses in Johns epistles yet? The only verses in the bible that use the term antichrist

 

[dad]

No I’m talking about the antichrist in Johns epistles and the beast in revelation did you read the four verses in Johns epistles ye? The only verses in the bible that use the term antichrist

The final leader is referred to in many places in the bible. A quick search found this site, with 25 names of the guy listed.

Works of Arthur Pink: Pink, Arthur - The Antichrist: Chapter 03. Names And Titles Of The Antichrist.

 

[Marty fox]

The final leader is referred to in many places in the bible. A quick search found this site, with 25 names of the guy listed.

Works of Arthur Pink: Pink, Arthur - The Antichrist: Chapter 03. Names And Titles Of The Antichrist.

Yes I am well aware my point is that according to the bible antic isn’t any of them, did you read the four verses yet?

 

[pandaflower]

"Everything in God's own time."

Many live their lives watching headlines and broadcast news thinking,is this it?

No.

We will live and die asking that. Still waiting.

Or,not.

We must be about service to the kingdom now. When the end comes,there it is. And we are ready.

Till then.....

 

[Marty fox]

The final leader is referred to in many places in the bible. A quick search found this site, with 25 names of the guy listed.

Works of Arthur Pink: Pink, Arthur - The Antichrist: Chapter 03. Names And Titles Of The Antichrist.

Here are the four verses that mention the term antichrist

1 John 2:18
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the

Thus antichrist is more than one, a spirit and was already in the world in the first century. This is very different that the sea beast of revelation.

In Johns day antichrist was the perfect description of apostate Israel

 

[dad]

Yes I am well aware my point is that according to the bible antic isn’t any of them, did you read the four verses yet?

There is probably no verse on the topic I haven't read. Not sure what you are saying. Sounds like you are pretending that none of the other names fit?

 

[dad]

Here are the four verses that mention the term antichrist

Irrelevant. That is just one of his names.

2 John 1:7
I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the

Thus antichrist is more than one, a spirit and was already in the world in the first century. This is very different that the sea beast of revelation.

In Johns day antichrist was the perfect description of apostate Israel

The antichrist spirit will be personified by a man in the end. Of course it was and is here now as well.

 

[CTK]

Irrelevant. That is just one of his names.

The antichrist spirit will be personified by a man in the end. Of course it was and is here now as well.

Hasn't God already revealed this "one" in Daniel 7, 8 , 9 and 11 as the "little horn?" He has indeed provided "much ink" in these chapters to this one individual. He is not the "antiChris," because that term is strictly used to convey the "spirit" of anyone that speaks or preaches a different gospel -- that would include billions over the years beginning after the cross. However, this "little horn" character is indeed the one who speaks against God, against His saints, His people and claims infallibility and divinity, etc. Who could possibly be more "antiChrist" that one who does this?

 

[Marty fox]

There is probably no verse on the topic I haven't read. Not sure what you are saying. Sounds like you are pretending that none of the other names fit?

Once again you avoided referring to the verses I asked about

Im not pretending that none of the names fit none of the personalties fit the biblical description of antichrist. If you read the only four verses that use the term antichrist you will see that Johns description don’t fit

 

[Marty fox]

Irrelevant. That is just one of his names.

The antichrist spirit will be personified by a man in the end. Of course it was and is here now as well.

Yes and back in the first century too but the bible says nothing of antichrist being personified by a man in the end that’s a completely different spirit and description

 

[Douggg]

1 John 2:22
22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

Marty, the kjv of 1John2:22 says...

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Not "the" antichrist, as in the verse you provided of 1John2:22.

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And the kjv for 1John4:3 it says....

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Not "the" antichrist, as in the verse you provided of 1John4:3.

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The Antichrist will be a single individual who will be anointed the king of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

Being the King of Israel concept of Christ is revealed in Mark 15:32, as the religious leaders mocked Jesus as he was being crucified.

Mark 15:
31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

 

[Douggg]

If you are looking for the word 'AntiChrist' that is just one title of the man of sin. The beast. The son of perdition etc.

Correct. But being the Antichrist is like holding an office like the President of the United States. Only that being the Antichrist will be that of the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

Starts as the little horn person, then...

Becomes the prince that shall come into the middle east following the Gog/Magog event, then....

Anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah, becoming the Antichrist, then...

Becomes the revealed man of sin, of 2Thessalonians2:4, ending his time as the Antichrist as the Jews will reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, then....

Is killed, and then comes back to life to become the beast-king, his kingdom the EU and that of the ten EU leaders.

 

[dad]

Hasn't God already revealed this "one" in Daniel 7, 8 , 9 and 11 as the "little horn?" He has indeed provided "much ink" in these chapters to this one individual. He is not the "antiChris," because that term is strictly used to convey the "spirit" of anyone that speaks or preaches a different gospel -- that would include billions over the years beginning after the cross. However, this "little horn" character is indeed the one who speaks against God, against His saints, His people and claims infallibility and divinity, etc. Who could possibly be more "antiChrist" that one who does this?

It is the Antichrist leader of the end actually in many places in Dan and elsewhere