Daniel 11 What verse does the end time kick in?

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Once again you avoided referring to the verses I asked about

Im not pretending that none of the names fit none of the personalties fit the biblical description of antichrist. If you read the only four verses that use the term antichrist you will see that Johns description don’t fit
False. I said they were fine and dandy but that there were oodles of verses about that final leader as well.
 

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Yes and back in the first century too but the bible says nothing of antichrist being personified by a man in the end that’s a completely different spirit and description
Yes it does. And Jesus tosses his sorry arse into the lake of fire in the end.
 

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Correct. But being the Antichrist is like holding an office like the President of the United States. Only that being the Antichrist will be that of the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.
The guy actually invades Israel and is king of the world.
Starts as the little horn person, then...

Becomes the prince that shall come into the middle east following the Gog/Magog event, then....

Anointed the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah, becoming the Antichrist, then...

Becomes the revealed man of sin, of 2Thessalonians2:4, ending his time as the Antichrist as the Jews will reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, then....

Is killed, and then comes back to life to become the beast-king, his kingdom the EU and that of the ten EU leaders.
Point? The guys does a lot of stuff, I think we all know that....so?
 

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It is the Antichrist leader of the end actually in many places in Dan and elsewhere
Sorry, I would respectfully ask that you might give me more ... I am not sure if this is a question or statement and would like to hear more.
 

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The guy actually invades Israel and is king of the world.

Point? The guys does a lot of stuff, I think we all know that....so?
The point is that the person is the Antichrist only for the time that he rules Israel as the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah.
 
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Sorry, I would respectfully ask that you might give me more ... I am not sure if this is a question or statement and would like to hear more.
How would it be news that the final leader in the end has many prophesies about him? Do you expect me to list them for you?
 

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The point is that the person is the Antichrist only for the time that he rules Israel as the King of Israel thought-to-be messiah.
Sorry I can't address made up fantasies. The actual AC will cause all the world to obey him etc. Whoever your little imagined leader of Israel may be is not rooted in reality and Scripture.
 

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How would it be news that the final leader in the end has many prophesies about him? Do you expect me to list them for you?
No, I would hope that you might have considered what I posted to you and focused on just who this little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 is as apposed to claiming a literal, unknown, unidentified and mythical figure labeled "antichrist" comes on the scene at the end of time. God has given us so much information on this little horn - and He also tells us in Daniel that he will continue UNTIL THE END NOT COME AT THE END.
 

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No, I would hope that you might have considered what I posted to you and focused on just who this little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 is as apposed to claiming a literal, unknown, unidentified and mythical figure labeled "antichrist" comes on the scene at the end of time. God has given us so much information on this little horn - and He also tells us in Daniel that he will continue UNTIL THE END NOT COME AT THE END.
In Dan 7 the time is the end.

7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Daniel 7:9
I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Daniel 7:10
A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Daniel 7:11
I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame


As for your statement about continue to the end, it means that the evil ruler will continue to rule right up till Jesus returns.

Jesus cast down thrones when He returns. We also know He kills the AC and throws him into the lake of fire. If you are claiming that some evil ruler in the end in not the Antichrist then you need to explain. There in nothing unknown about that final leader we are told plenty about him
 

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Sorry I can't address made up fantasies. The actual AC will cause all the world to obey him etc. Whoever your little imagined leader of Israel may be is not rooted in reality and Scripture.
The person will no longer be the Antichrist, but has become the beast-king, in Revelation 13:3-5.



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Jesus cast down thrones when He returns. We also know He kills the AC and throws him into the lake of fire. If you are claiming that some evil ruler in the end in not the Antichrist then you need to explain. There in nothing unknown about that final leader we are told plenty about him
The text of Revelation 19:20 does not say the Antichrist, but "the beast".

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.



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People who are confused and conflate times and events should not make confused little graphs.
Which is why you have not made any time-line charts, correct ?
 

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No, I would hope that you might have considered what I posted to you and focused on just who this little horn of Daniel 7 and 8 is as apposed to claiming a literal, unknown, unidentified and mythical figure labeled "antichrist" comes on the scene at the end of time. God has given us so much information on this little horn - and He also tells us in Daniel that he will continue UNTIL THE END NOT COME AT THE END.
Here is what it says about the little horn's activities in Daniel 8....

Daniel 8:
16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.

The little horn person is a time of the end individual. He is not the Pope, nor papacy, because the Pope is not qualified to become the king of Israel, thought-to-be messiah (the Antichrist). The person has to be a Jew, someone who the Jews will mistakenly think is their long awaited king of Israel, messiah.

Look at the bottom of my chart. I listed all of the passages in the book of Daniel that contain the term "time of the end".


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Certainly by verse 31 it is talking about the AntiChrist.

31 His army will take over the Temple fortress, pollute the sanctuary, put a stop to the daily sacrifices, and set up the sacrilegious object that causes desecration

It blends from the past (the evil Greek king that was a forerunner or precursor to the AC) into the final years of history.


I don't think we really know exactly when the transition happens in the chapter. However, looking at verse 20 and seeing the Trump tariffs and etc it seems to me that this possibly could be a fit.

20 Then shall arise in his place one who shall send an exactor of tribute for the glory of the kingdom. But within a few days he shall be broken, neither in anger nor in battle.

20 His successor will send out a tax collector to maintain the royal splendor. But after a very brief reign, he will die, though not from anger or in battle


If this was a fit, then it looks like that final leader would come after Trump. A vile person slithers in and takes power. Thoughts?
Dan 11:31 is his second attack. And by 'his', this is the Assyrian. The Assyrian is not the one who confirms the covenant of Dan 9:27 - that is Tyre. These are 2 separate people, see the list of the ten nations of the Psalm 83 coalition.

Tyre is the one who calls himself a god (Ezek 28, Isa 14:2-14 & Rev 12:9), not the Assyrian (Isa 14's Lucifer/ Morningstar is Tyre, who hands over his throne to the Assyrian, same story as in Joel 3 where Tyre 'sells off Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks'). Tyre is the Dan 7 Little Horn, Assyrian is the Dan 8 Little Horn.

Tyre 'rescues' Israel from the Assyrian attack and has possession of them for 3.5 years (Dan 7:25). The Assyrian attacks Israel which kicks the whole endtimes events off. That's why the 2300 days of the Dan 8 events encompasses the 3.5 years of Dan 7.

Dan 8 Little Horn starts 2300 days (Start of Trumpets) (armies surrounding Jerusalem in Luke 21:20) (Dan 9:26's flood)

Dan 8 Little Horn places the abomination in Jerusalem (Dan 11:31) (Start 6th Trumpet) (start of the great tribulation) (Dan 9:26)

30 days later, the great tribulation appears to be cut short by the Dan 7 Little Horn confirming the Dan 9:27 covenant (Rev 10 Mighty Angel swears an oath to heaven which is how the covenant is confirmed)

The Mighty Angel (= the 'dragon', the Daniel 7 Little Horn, Tyre, the 'anointed guardian cherub' of Ezek 28:14, the 'man in linen' in Dan 12) breaks the covenant at the 7th Trumpet

7th Trumpet, the dragon (Tyre) gives his throne to the 'Greeks' aka the Dan 8 Little Horn, the Assyrian, the Leopard of Dan 7, the Leopard of Rev 13:2's beast from the sea.



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The text of Revelation 19:20 does not say the Antichrist, but "the beast".
So? The text of many verses about the guy do not all use the same title
Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
And... so? That is not news to me. They are both tossed in the lake by Jesus. Are you suggesting I thought the beast and his cohort blabbermouth pal the false prophet were the same man?
 

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False. I said they were fine and dandy but that there were oodles of verses about that final leader as well.
The one your think of is a completely different description of antichrist the four verses that I provided prove that

Satan has different demonic beings doing different tasks some deceiving and some destroying
 

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Which is why you have not made any time-line charts, correct ?
About what? Our focus is Christ, not the many acts and names of the AC. Charts of the timeframes are useful. You know, the Rapture, the last seven years, the return of Jesus, His 1000 yr rule etc. But that is for believers. Charts trying explain away things like the Millennium are for confused people
 

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Dan 11:31 is his second attack. And by 'his', this is the Assyrian. The Assyrian is not the one who confirms the covenant of Dan 9:27 - that is Tyre. These are 2 separate people, see the list of the ten nations of the Psalm 83 coalition.
You thought that someone else was the king in the end? Ha
Tyre is the one who calls himself a god (Ezek 28, Isa 14:2-14 & Rev 12:9), not the Assyrian (Isa 14's Lucifer/ Morningstar is Tyre, who hands over his throne to the Assyrian, same story as in Joel 3 where Tyre 'sells off Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks'). Tyre is the Dan 7 Little Horn, Assyrian is the Dan 8 Little Horn.
Tyre was history. And God talked directly to Satan one time while addressing the king there. Being possessed is not a new thing or restricted to the end times.
Tyre 'rescues' Israel from the Assyrian attack
It surprises me that truly confused people have the urge to teach? Maybe someone can explain that to me. As for Israel in the end, only God rescues them, and only after the vast majority of them are killed.

As for your attempts at inserting names like 'Tyre' and 'Assyrian' into the end time and invading etc, sorry. I wasn't born yesterday. Seems like an elaborate but pitifully lame attempt to wave away the AC.
 

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Dan 11:31 is his second attack. And by 'his', this is the Assyrian. The Assyrian is not the one who confirms the covenant of Dan 9:27 - that is Tyre. These are 2 separate people, see the list of the ten nations of the Psalm 83 coalition.

Tyre is the one who calls himself a god (Ezek 28, Isa 14:2-14 & Rev 12:9), not the Assyrian (Isa 14's Lucifer/ Morningstar is Tyre, who hands over his throne to the Assyrian, same story as in Joel 3 where Tyre 'sells off Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks'). Tyre is the Dan 7 Little Horn, Assyrian is the Dan 8 Little Horn.
Name the verse in Eze 28 (or Isa or Rev) that talks about the last days? Why make stuff up? Do you not realize some of us are not children that don't know His word?
7th Trumpet, the dragon (Tyre
Total fantasy. Just because you call the dragon or Satan 'Tyre' does not mean there is the slightest reality to it. Sounds like a cult or something.