WHY DID JESUS SAY NOT TO MAKE HIM KNOWN?

[Fred J]

23:28
Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Right, 'white sepulchre', but we Gentiles before becoming saved, we were worse than them.

As Jesus referred us as 'dogs, since our nature was wild as dogs, even we tend to bite back to what is good of GOD.

Nevertheless, when Jesus on the Cross, as He was crucified, bruise, wounded, mocked and scoffed by the Jews and Gentiles, He prayed:

"FATHER, forgive them for they knew not what they do."

'Split personality' are in both Jews and Gentiles, but Jews stand far a better chance being saved than Gentiles.

Am not referring to the Jews of today, but ones alone of the house of Jacob.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Fred J]

[Mat 16:20 KJV] 20 Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

Why did Jesus charge his disciples to tell no one that he was Christ?

Again, Doug have brought out a very interesting point, to why Christ forbid the disciples from letting the public know He's the 'Messiah'?

i believe the answer is there in the context of that story, go for it brethren, thank you

 

[Hiddenthings]

Again, Doug have brought out a very interesting point, to why Christ forbid the disciples from letting the public know He's the 'Messiah'?

i believe the answer is there in the context of that story, go for it brethren, thank you

Matthew 7:36...Rejection was yet to come! such news could be counter productive. Same advice given to his disciples Math 16v20 Connection!!!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Again, Doug have brought out a very interesting point, to why Christ forbid the disciples from letting the public know He's the 'Messiah'?

i believe the answer is there in the context of that story, go for it brethren, thank you

“Should tell no man” - Reasons for this……

1. Their lack of understanding did not yet qualify them
2. Jesus did not want to provoke hostility for no reason
3. His death would depress the message
4. At this stage he did not want to attract crowds

It highlights how some, even in this forum struggle to speak about the things of God, often because they are still spiritually immature and in need of the milk of the Word.

Much like the disciples in their early walk, many do not yet have the full picture and are not able to piece these truths together in the right order.

 

[Muna]

The law and the prophets spake of his sufferings and death

Luke 9:31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

His suffering and death at Jerusalem was the message

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

1 Cr 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

 

[Fred J]

Matthew 7:36...Rejection was yet to come! such news could be counter productive. Same advice given to his disciples Math 16v20 Connection!!!

Friend, Matthew chapter 7, have only 29 verses.

Also the rejection and counter productive disturbance was already there since the beginning but no man could do anything to Him nor His ministry for 3 years.

Since the beginning as a child, Herod already sort to kill Him, since prophetically the priests read to Herod about this child. And Herod desperately ordered to have children 2 years below to be killed, just imagine the chaos.

At 30 years of age. He went into the synagogue and read the Messianic scripture referring to Him. In rage they caught Him to throw Him off the cliff, but He miraculously escaped, and rage been there ever since.

Many times He escaped and moved from one place to another and returned back, and they could not do anything to Him, since His hour has not yet come.

He is already the popular person and talking subject of the town, and the disciples explained to Him, what the public think of Him.

Jesus also stirred the controversial division between the Jews about who He is, even without proclaiming He's the Messiah.

Even if the disciples proclaim to the public He's the Messiah, the same nothing can happen to Him if He's hour has not yet come.

Moreover He already went on a spree to rebuke and correct the Sanhedrin council members, quite severely in Matthew ch. 23.

You have a point there, but i believe there's some other reason based on the context of the story, thank you.

 

[Fred J]

“Should tell no man” - Reasons for this……

1. Their lack of understanding did not yet qualify them
2. Jesus did not want to provoke hostility for no reason
3. His death would depress the message
4. At this stage he did not want to attract crowds

It highlights how some, even in this forum struggle to speak about the things of God, often because they are still spiritually immature and in need of the milk of the Word.

Much like the disciples in their early walk, many do not yet have the full picture and are not able to piece these truths together in the right order.

You have one point there above that is the main conclusion to the story, can you see it, thank you?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Friend, Matthew chapter 7, have only 29 verses.

Yes my bad it was meant to be Mark

Also the rejection and counter productive disturbance was already there since the beginning but no man could do anything to Him nor His ministry for 3 years.

Since the beginning as a child, Herod already sort to kill Him, since prophetically the priests read to Herod about this child. And Herod desperately ordered to have children 2 years below to be killed, just imagine the chaos.

True.

At 30 years of age. He went into the synagogue and read the Messianic scripture referring to Him. In rage they caught Him to throw Him off the cliff, but He miraculously escaped, and rage been there ever since.

Many times He escaped and moved from one place to another and returned back, and they could not do anything to Him, since His hour has not yet come.

He is already the popular person and talking subject of the town, and the disciples explained to Him, what the public think of Him.

Jesus also stirred the controversial division between the Jews about who He is, even without proclaiming He's the Messiah.

Even if the disciples proclaim to the public He's the Messiah, the same nothing can happen to Him if He's hour has not yet come.

Moreover He already went on a spree to rebuke and correct the Sanhedrin council members, quite severely in Matthew ch. 23.

You have a point there, but i believe there's some other reason based on the context of the story, thank you.

Do share. Happy to consider.

 

[Fred J]

Am not referring to the Jews of today, but ones alone of the house of Jacob.

P.S. There are those of the house of Jacob even today, who're descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You have one point there above that is the main conclusion to the story, can you see it, thank you?

I guess its the strongest of the 4 reasons.

The context is the “Keys of Kingdom”... “Key of House of David” Isa 22:22

1. Their lack of understanding did not yet qualify them

They needed to learn how to use the Keys!

 

[Fred J]

Yes my bad it was meant to be Mark

True.

Do share. Happy to consider.

Sorry, you have a very strong point, is what i mean, thank you.

Mark 7:36, i believe Jesus forbid the people who brought the deaf and dumb, not to inform the public about the healing He's done.

Matthew 16:20, Jesus forbid His disciples not to let the public know He's the Messiah.

So we have Jesus forbid that the public should not know He's the Messiah and His miraculous healings.

But one point you've made in your prior post made me 'ponder', but it can be to some, just my point of view, so be it.

Thank you

 

[Fred J]

I guess its the strongest of the 4 reasons.

Makes a very strong case, had to sit back and reckon with your points, do have a weight to it.

The context is the “Keys of Kingdom”... “Key of House of David” Isa 22:22

They needed to learn how to use the Keys!

They would never learn at all on their own to use the 'key', because the 'key' is held by 'someone', to 'lock' and 'unlock'.

Jesus could only proclaim and perform to the things pertaining to the Kingdom of GOD, but He can't force people to believe.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Hiddenthings]

Makes a very strong case, had to sit back and reckon with your points, do have a weight to it.

They would never learn at all on their own to use the 'key', because the 'key' is held by 'someone', to 'lock' and 'unlock'.

Jesus could only proclaim and perform to the things pertaining to the Kingdom of GOD, but He can't force people to believe.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

The Keys are in fact symbolic of the power to unlock the “Gates of the grave” Rev 3:7 cp Rev 1:18

Christians generally don't believe they die and cease to exist so what would that say about their knowledge of the Keys?

 

[Fred J]

1. Their lack of understanding did not yet qualify them

Matthew 16:13-20

Why their lack of understanding did not yet qualify them?

It's in the passage, and also who holds the 'key' of their understanding.

Thank you

 

[Hiddenthings]

Matthew 16:13-20

Why their lack of understanding did not yet qualify them?

It's in the passage, and also who holds the 'key' of their understanding.

Thank you

Well, the scribes had the key to the treasures of divine wisdom Math 13:52 but abused its power and lock it away from those who were meant to receive it.

 

[Fred J]

The Keys are in fact symbolic of the power to unlock the “Gates of the grave” Rev 3:7 cp Rev 1:18

Christians generally don't believe they die and cease to exist so what would that say about their knowledge of the Keys?

Best we don't go by our opinion but what alone the scripture 'depicts'.

Apparently, 'key' is used to 'lock' and 'unlock' something.

'Key' to the knowledge/teaching of the Kingdom based on the Old Testament are held finally by the 'scribes' and 'Pharisees'. (Matthew ch, 23)

'Key' to the knowledge/teaching of the Kingdom based on the New Testament is held by Lord Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles.

'Key' to 'allow' and 'disallow' rules and regulations suggested to the church been held by Apostle Peter alone, and after him 'none'.

What else scripturally is referring to the 'key', thank you?

 

[Fred J]

Well, the scribes had the key to the treasures of divine wisdom Math 13:52 but abused its power and lock it away from those who were meant to receive it.

Right!

But the focus here is based on Matthew 16:13-20

Why for the lack of their understanding did not qualify the public, but did qualify the disciples who also lacking?

And there's someone there who's able to 'lock' and 'unlock' knowledge/teaching to their understanding.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Best we don't go by our opinion but what alone the scripture 'depicts'.

Apparently, 'key' is used to 'lock' and 'unlock' something.

'Key' to the knowledge/teaching of the Kingdom based on the Old Testament are held finally by the 'scribes' and 'Pharisees'. (Matthew ch, 23)

'Key' to the knowledge/teaching of the Kingdom based on the New Testament is held by Lord Jesus Christ and the 12 Apostles.

'Key' to 'allow' and 'disallow' rules and regulations suggested to the church been held by Apostle Peter alone, and after him 'none'.

What else scripturally is referring to the 'key', thank you?

Rev 3:7 cp Rev 1:18

 

[Fred J]

Rev 3:7 cp Rev 1:18

He that hath the 'key' of David refers to Kingship authority and power, since He is the final King of Israel.

And to Heaven and earth, He's Lord of lords and King of kings.

Have the 'keys' of 'hell' and of 'death'.

Since He's conquered 'sin', 'death' and 'second death to hell', He now have the authority and power over these things.

Also in the Final Judgement seat He'll be the one seating on it and judging everyone.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

Right!

But the focus here is based on Matthew 16:13-20

Why for the lack of their understanding did not qualify the public, but did qualify the disciples who also lacking?

And there's someone there who's able to 'lock' and 'unlock' knowledge/teaching to their understanding.

Lets get back to this, brethren, thanks.