Is it possible to lose salvation?

[nedsk]

Dude,

Either refdute the passages I keep giving you. SHow me where I am wrong. Or I will assume what I already know. youi can;t refute them

You want to be stuck on james, feel free

I have James and paul in complte agreement, You do not

And until you can get them in agreement. I can never fall for the trap you have fallen for

Lol there's the "dude" you're aggravated brother

Lets see if you can focus for at least a millisecond. Show me where Paul says we are saved by faith alone. Dont give 45 copy and pasted scriptures you keep on your computer or phone just show one 1 verse where Paul says you are saved by faith alone. I'll wait right here

 

[BreadOfLife]

same to you

I can not earn sa;lvation by stopping those sins.

in the same token, I can not lose salvation if I fall into those sins.

If I can not earn by doing.. then by practice in that defenition. I can not lose salvation by doing them

because that would mean I must earn my salvation by not doing them

According to the Bible, you CAN lose your salvation . NOT because God took it “away” from you – but by your OWN doing.

There is not a SINGLE verse in Scripture that says all of our future sins are forgiven without repenting of them (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

Matt. 24:13
"He who endures to the end will be saved"

John 15:5-6
" I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, THROWN INTO THE FIRE AND BURNED."

 

[Eternally Grateful]

WRONG.

Paul teaches that there are TWO kinds of works:
1. Works that YOU do for yourself.
These are the works that merit nothing and are are like filthy rags (Isa. 64:6, Eph. 2:9).

2. Works that GOD created for you to do for HIS glory.
These are the works that are an essential element of our faith, which is HOW we attain saving grace (Eph. 2:10, 1 Cor. 13:1-3).

Faith without works is NO faith at all (James 2:14-24).

Nice try but no reward for you.

then again, You do not even understand what the true bread from heaven is so..

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.

 

[nedsk]

According to the Bible, you CAN lose your salvation . NOT because God took it “away” from you – but by your OWN doing.

There is not a SINGLE verse in Scripture that says all of our future sins are forgiven without repenting of them (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

Matt. 24:13
"He who endures to the end will be saved"

John 15:5-6
" I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, THROWN INTO THE FIRE AND BURNED."

This is spot on.

 

[nedsk]

Nice try but no reward for you.

then again, You do not even understand what the true bread from heaven is so..

EPH 1: 13 In Him YOU ALSO TRUSTED , after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also ,HAVING BELIEVED YOU WERE SEALED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE 14 who IS THE GAURANTEE OF OUR INHERITANCE until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

THE INHERITANCE HE SAID WE ALREADY HAD IN THE 1ST 12 VERSES. (AGAIN, NO WORKS)

eph 2: 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses,MADE US ALIVE together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and RAISED US UP TOGETHER , and MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED (A COMPLETED ACTION) THROUGH FAITH , (AS MANY AS HAVE RECIEVED) and that NOT OF YOURSELVES ; it IS THE GIFT OF GOD, 9 NOT OF WORKS LEST ANYONE SHOULD BOAST (NO WORKS)

rom 4: 3 For what does the Scripture say? “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND HE ACOUNTED IT TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now TO HIM WHO WORKS, THE WAGES ARE NOT COUNTED AS GRACE BUT DEBT (Works cancels out grace. and makes it a wage) 5 But TO HIM WHO DOES NOT WORK but BELIEVES ON HIM WHO JUSTIFIES THE UNGOLDY , his HIS FAITH IS ACCOUNTED FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS (AGAIN NO WORKS. PERIOD)

rom 4: 16 Therefore IT IF OF FAITH THAT IT MAY BE ACCORDING TO GRACE , so that THE PROMISE MAY BE SURE TO ALL THE SEED not only to those who are of the law, but also TO THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM , who is the father of us all (AGAIN, NO WORKS, IT IS OF GRACE THROUGH FAITH)

Rom 4: 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him, 24 but ALSO FOR US, IT SHALL BE IMPUTED TO US WHO BELIEVE IN HIM WHO RAISED UP JESUS OUR LORD FROM THE DEAD , 25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was RAISED BECAUSE OF OUR JUSTIFICATION (AGAIN NO WORKS)

Rom 11: 6 And IF BY GRACE, THAN IT IS NO LONGER OF WORKS, ; otherwise GRACE IS NO LONGER GRACE.But IF IT IS OF WORKS, THEN IT IS NO LONGER OF GRACE. OTHERWISE WORK IS NO LONGER WORK (AS i HAVE SAID NUMEROUS TIME, GRACE + WORKS = WORKS.. GRACE AND WORKS CAN NOT MIX IN THE AREA OF SALVATION. ITS LIKE MIXING OIL AND WATER)

2 Tim 1: 9 who HAS SAVED US (A COMPLETED ACTION) and called us with a holy calling, NOT ACCORDING TO OUR WORKS , but ACCORDING TO HIS OWN PURPOSE AND GRACE which was GIVEN TO US in Christ Jesus BEFORE TIME BEGAN (AGAIN, NO WORKS. BUT GRACE)

Titus 3: 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS (GOOD DEEDS) WHICH WE HAVE DONE , but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that HAVING BEEN JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE we should become HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE
(AGAIN, NO QUESTION HERE. PAUL LEAVES NO QUESTION. NO GOOD DEED CAN SAVE US,. WE ARE SAVED BY GODS MERCY, AND GIVEN THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE. WHICH IS PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

Titus 1: 2 in HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE which GOD WHO CAN NOT LIE PROMISED BEFORE TIME BEGAN

this is what our faith is in, the grace and mercy of God. not our deeds.

No where does it say faith alone. You can't the wrong thing 100 times that doesn't make it right or true. Faith which saves includes the works that complete that faith. Faith without works is dead. A dead faith is as useful as a body without a spirit.

Same to the bread from heaven Jesus is quite clear it's his flesh and his blood

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Lol there's the "dude" you're aggravated brother

Lets see if you can focus for at least a millisecond. Show me where Paul says we are saved by faith alone. Dont give 45 copy and pasted scriptures you keep on your computer or phone just show one 1 verse where Paul says you are saved by faith alone. I'll wait right here

Show me the word trinity

Don't try to spam me again, Show me the word trinity

Of course you can;t because its not there. But in reality it is there. (only not in the word)

Just like faith apart from works. Faith and no works. or any other saying, is in realy faith alone

or we can put it this way/.

Faith plus zero works equals faith and nothing else

Of course, there is something else. its called grace through faith.

Once again, James is speaking to licentious people who have no faith. we both agree these people are not saved.. You just want to use it to prove that we must work to be saved. which is not what James was saying

He was not even talking to you. He was talking to a group of people who claimed to have faith, but were hearers not doers. and he told THEM TO TEST THEIR FAITH.

He did not contradict Paul

Paul said we have been saved by Grace alone but through faith and those saved will do works

James said if you claim to have faith. But do not have the works Paul said you WILL HAVE.. then you really do not have faith.

PS. I am not angry, I am frustrated in a legalist who is willing to refuse to see truth. because he is trained in the way he is. and can not even hear his own contradictory language..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is spot on.

Spot on?

Jesus refutes this

John 6: 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

 

[Eternally Grateful]

According to the Bible, you CAN lose your salvation . NOT because God took it “away” from you – but by your OWN doing.

There is not a SINGLE verse in Scripture that says all of our future sins are forgiven without repenting of them (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

Matt. 24:13
"He who endures to the end will be saved"

John 15:5-6
" I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, THROWN INTO THE FIRE AND BURNED."

Sorry But, You are not more powerful than God

And agasin, You do not know what the bread of life is.. I am amazed at people who have these nicnames, like bread of life and grace. who have no comprehension of what those terms even mean.

do you think God will look up to you because you have that name?

 

[nedsk]

Show me the word trinity

Don't try to spam me again, Show me the word trinity

Of course you can;t because its not there. But in reality it is there. (only not in the word)

Just like faith apart from works. Faith and no works. or any other saying, is in realy faith alone

or we can put it this way/.

Faith plus zero works equals faith and nothing else

Of course, there is something else. its called grace through faith.

Once again, James is speaking to licentious people who have no faith. we both agree these people are not saved.. You just want to use it to prove that we must work to be saved. which is not what James was saying

He was not even talking to you. He was talking to a group of people who claimed to have faith, but were hearers not doers. and he told THEM TO TEST THEIR FAITH.

He did not contradict Paul

Paul said we have been saved by Grace alone but through faith and those saved will do works

James said if you claim to have faith. But do not have the works Paul said you WILL HAVE.. then you really do not have faith.

PS. I am not angry, I am frustrated in a legalist who is willing to refuse to see truth. because he is trained in the way he is. and can not even hear his own contradictory language..

Good for you . James completes Paul's teaching that faith is completed by works. However what words do we see in Scripture?

"You can see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." It's clear as a bell so clear that even Stevie Wonder can't see it. You however are more stubborn than blind.

 

[nedsk]

Spot on?

Jesus refutes this

John 6: 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

You're getting more agitated my friend. Believing is having faith which is completed by works.

What's funny is you challenge me to find the word "Trinity" but you completely ignore the words that are written on the page, "you can see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." It would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad to watch you

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace @Rich R


Note for clarity and to avoid misunderstandings I speak in this text of the Ten Commandments and not the rest of the law of Moses.

The New Covenant was promised long ago by the prophet Jeremiah: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people” (Jeremiah 31:31–33).

This law is the same covenant given at Sinai—the Ten Commandments (Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13; Deuteronomy 10:4). God never changed His law; He changed where it is written. Under the Old Covenant, the commandments were engraved on stone and kept outside the heart. Under the New Covenant, God writes them on the mind and heart by His Spirit so that obedience flows from love, not compulsion.

Jesus Himself confirmed that the Ten Commandments remain. He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:17–19). Later, when asked how to have eternal life, He answered plainly: “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). He even listed them, showing that He meant the Ten Commandments. Jesus did not replace these laws; He magnified them and wrote them deeper in the heart.

The New Covenant was sealed when Jesus said at the Last Supper: “For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28). A covenant is confirmed by blood, and at the cross, Jesus ratified it with His own. His resurrection gave it power, but its application required the Holy Spirit.

Agreed re the Last Supper...this is also my understanding.

This is why Pentecost was so important. The word “Pentecost” means “fiftieth” and was the Feast of Weeks, celebrated fifty days after Passover (Leviticus 23:15–16). It marked two things: the firstfruits of the harvest and, by Jewish tradition, the giving of the Law at Sinai. On this day, Israel remembered when God wrote His law on stone. God chose this very day for the Spirit to come, because now the law would be written on hearts, fulfilling the promise of Jeremiah and Ezekiel: “I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes” (Ezekiel 36:27). At Pentecost, this began. The Spirit came with power, transforming fearful disciples into bold witnesses. The feast of firstfruits became the day of the first spiritual harvest, when about three thousand souls were added to the kingdom (Acts 2:41). The New Covenant was sealed at the cross, but at Pentecost it was applied to the hearts of God’s people by the Spirit.

Yet the New Covenant is not yet in its full glory. Today it grows in the hearts of believers, but its perfect fulfillment will come when God’s kingdom fills the earth and His will is done everywhere as in heaven. In that day, righteousness will cover the earth, and all will know the Lord, as Isaiah said: “They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea” (Isaiah 11:9). That is the final application: every heart loyal to God, His law written within, and His people living in everlasting peace.

Jesus described this growth in the parable of the mustard seed: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches” (Matthew 13:31–32). The covenant began like a small seed—sealed by Christ’s blood, planted in a few disciples—but at Pentecost it sprouted, and it will grow until it becomes a great tree filling the earth when Christ reigns fully.

The New Covenant began at the cross, was empowered at Pentecost, grows now through the Spirit, and will reach its perfect fulfillment when the kingdom of God is complete and all things are made new.

Blessings

I agree since I believe you're saying that the NC is in EFFECT right now.
§This is what I know...If we want to say that it will be FULFILLED in a future time,,,that's fine with me.
I used to teach the Covenants but have forgotten a lot.

 

[GodsGrace]

Spot on?

Jesus refutes this

John 6: 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [f]by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Hate to bud in EG

But
Father gives enough light to everyone to be able to believe in Him.
Some call this prevenient grace.
It would be found in Romans 1:19.....God has always revealed Himself through His creation.

Those that come to believe...
God gives to Jesus since Jesus is the Savior.

Jesus will NOT deny anyone,,,,
unless they deny HIM.
2 Timothy 2:12

Jesus will NOT cast anyone out....
unless they are fruitless
John 15:2

There are conditions to being part of the Kingdom of God.

The last condition is this:
You left out:

John 6:40
40“For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”


We must BEHOLD God/the Son.
We must BELIEVE in Him....
to be raised up on the last day.

BELIEVE....
at the end of our lives.

BELIEF is ongoing.
If it stops...
salvation stops.

We are free to stop believing.

Hebrews 3.12-14
12Take care, brethren, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart that falls away from the living God.
13But encourage one another day after day, as long as it is still called “Today,” so that none of you will be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. 14For we have become partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our assurance firm until the end,


1. We can fall away from the living God.
2. It is possible to be hardened by sin.
3. We will be partakers of Christ IF WE HOLD FAST till the end.

 

[Rich R]

You didn't reply to the fact that God told Abraham he would be a blessing to all nations.

All nations will be blessed when Jesus returns. There are many places in the prophets and in Revelation that explain that.

Does this mean after the end of the world when we see the New Jerusalem?
Do you believe BLESSINGS will be necessary in the age to come?
Do you think we'll be needing blessings in heaven?

What you're stating here is so out of the realm of Christian theology that I can hardly reply to it.
If you're right - and some think you are - then how do Christians fit into the NC?

Each Covenant makes the previous one better or different.
The NC is the culmination of all the promises God made to Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David.

God spoke of all nations to §Abraham.
In the Davidic Covenant God promised a King that would rule forever.

It seems to me that Jesus has fulfilled all the OT Covenants.



Let's look at

Hebrews 9:15
15For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

The author is speaking about how the NC is the same in some ways as the OC.....
Does it state "those that WILL BE called"
or
Does it state "those who HAVE BEEN called"?

Jesus entered the Spiritual tabernacle, just as the High Pries entered the Holy of Holies.

The High Priest offered blood before entering.
Jesus offered His blood before entering.
Hebrews 9:7-8

Hebrews 9:9
9which is a symbol for the present time.


Hebrews 9:14
14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

We are serving the living God right now...not in the future.

I understand how this must all be rather unsettling (for want of a better word). At one time I thought exactly like you. I believed the long standing tradition. One day someone told me the things I'm telling you and I remember being rather shocked at the whole idea. But I had respect for the person who told me, so I started my own research to see if what he said was true or not. That's what the Berean's did when Paul rocked their doctrine boat.The ended up believing what Paul told them (Acts 17:11-12).

All I'm saying is that I've been on both sides of the fence and made my choice to believe scripture over man's tradition. I understand the difficulty in making the transition. I personally was blessed as the scriptures made more sense once I understood the difference between God's dealings with Israel and His dealings with the Christians. They are radically different.

The age in which we live is the mystery that was God's secret until He revealed it to Paul. It is the time between the day of Pentecost and the second advent of Jesus. It is the time between God's old covenant with Israel and God's future new covenant with Israel.

I don't know how to make myself any clearer. You can either pursue the matter on your own or drop it. There is no shortage of information on the internet should you decide to investigate for yourself to see if the things I said are true or not.

 

[Rich R]

Not important.

You listed a bunch of verses with no comment.
Who can know what you meant by it.....

Doesn't matter what I think about. The question is what did God think about it.

Just like the other member did.
You agreed that it's scripture....
but no one can know for sure WHY it was posted.

Somebody might.

 

[nedsk]

All nations will be blessed when Jesus returns. There are many places in the prophets and in Revelation that explain that.

I understand how this must all be rather unsettling (for want of a better word). At one time I thought exactly like you. I believed the long standing tradition. One day someone told me the things I'm telling you and I remember being rather shocked at the whole idea. But I had respect for the person who told me, so I started my own research to see if what he said was true or not. That's what the Berean's did when Paul rocked their doctrine boat.The ended up believing what Paul told them (Acts 17:11-12).

All I'm saying is that I've been on both sides of the fence and made my choice to believe scripture over man's tradition. I understand the difficulty in making the transition. I personally was blessed as the scriptures made more sense once I understood the difference between God's dealings with Israel and His dealings with the Christians. They are radically different.

The age in which we live is the mystery that was God's secret until He revealed it to Paul. It is the time between the day of Pentecost and the second advent of Jesus. It is the time between God's old covenant with Israel and God's future new covenant with Israel.

I don't know how to make myself any clearer. You can either pursue the matter on your own or drop it. There is no shortage of information on the internet should you decide to investigate for yourself to see if the things I said are true or not.

You people follow Paul not scripture. Its amazing

 

[Rich R]

§Where does it state this?
The NC was ratified when Jesus died.
This is when a Covenant/Testament becomes valid.

The mystery Paul spoke of was that the Gentiles were going to become part of God's people.

There's a bit more to it. But I will say it never actually says, "Gentiles were going to become part of God's people."

 

[nedsk]

Doesn't matter what I think about. The question is what did God think about it.

Somebody might.

How do you know what God thinks about anything?

 

[Rich R]

You people follow Paul not scripture. Its amazing

The things Paul said are not scriptural?

BTW, addressing someone as "you people" is hardly charitable.

 

[nedsk]

There's a bit more to it. But I will say it never actually says, "Gentiles were going to become part of God's people."

There was no one else because most Jews rejected Jesus. Their hearts were still hardened

 

[Rich R]

How do you know what God thinks about anything?

The scriptures.