JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[Behold]

Well l gave you the definition of Spirit and mind. seems you have your own ideas, definition for it. Your own ways instead of having the mind,

A Christian has to regain Spirituial Union with God..........not Mental union.

So, the MIND is not born again..........its the Born Again SPIRIT, that is the "new Creation" in Christ.

Your MIND, has to be renewed.
Paul teaches this as "Putting on the Helmet of Salvation".....and Paul says that when your mind is renewed...when you have the correct understanding of God's Grace.......then you become "as many as be perfect"......in that Renewed Mind.

 

[ScottA]

The Cross begain "Salvation".
The Cross of Christ birthed (through the Holy Spirit) the NT Church, = the "body of Christ' for the last 2000 yrs.
Prior to The Cross OF CHRIST, there were no Christians, because you have to Have Christ Crucified to begin Christianity.
So, for the last 2000 yrs........any Jew or Gentile who has given God their faith in Christ, has become a Born again Christian.
The Cross of Christ, reconciles human beings to God......one BELIEVER at a time.

True enough on the timeline OF THIS WORLD, but the kingdom is not of this world.

The things of God are not actually on the world's timeline, but only revealed there/here. For this reason (although it has been interpreted by many according to this world), it is written "the Lamb slain BEFORE the foundation of the world." The cross.

 

[Gary Mac]

A Christian has to regain Spirituial Union with God..........not Mental union.

So, the MIND is not born again..........its the Born Again SPIRIT, that is the "new Creation" in Christ.

Your MIND, has to be renewed.
Paul teaches this as "Putting on the Helmet of Salvation".....and Paul says that when your mind is renewed...when you have the correct understanding of God's Grace.......then you become "as many as be perfect"......in that Renewed Mind.

Spirit is mental LOL.

What you mean is that your mind, your thinking isnt renewed to think in Gods terms, but Jesus was proven in Matt 3:16 and so was mine the very same. Only because your thinking hasn't changed from self beliefs to realities of Gods mind, Spirit, doesnt mean others hasn't been renewed it only means that yours hasn't is all.

I dont follow Paul I follow Jesus in who he said he was in God. Jesus didnt follow Paul he got his information Spiritually, mindless, from the same God as I do. You are supposed to as well.

Here is who Jesus got his Spirit of mind from. And who do you say this was Jesus spoke of?
really do not believe Jesus in who he said he was in the Spirit that God is do you?

My recommendation is to listen to Jesus that your Spirit be renewed, it is education, knowledge obviously you reject, of the mind that you make excuses to reject of him.

Tell us plainly who this was Jesus spoke of that came to him BY THE SPIRIT THAT GOD IS and opens his own mind, spirit, to His heaven? Can you actually do that or continue to dance around having the mind of Christ, the same Spirit of God who was in Jesus be in yourself?

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”


John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

 

[ScottA]

I dont follow Paul I follow Jesus in who he said he was in God. Jesus didnt follow Paul he got his information Spiritually, mindless, from the same God as I do. You are supposed to as well.

We who are Christ's all follow Christ, but we also follow Paul for he came before us just as did the immediate former generation and our own fathers and those before. The lineage from Christ until now, does indeed include many false teachers and those we ought not follow, but Paul was not one of them. Paul was appointed by Christ for a specific purpose, and God the Father has confirmed it under the providence of His own word. Men may well have, said "Let's follow Paul and include his writings in the biblical record"--but men did not preserve it down through time--only God can do that.

But I do not make such a declaration merely by my own take on what has become biblical and seemingly common doctrine. On the contrary, the common Christian doctrine suffers under the foretold false teachings and strong delusion--which Paul, agreeing with Peter foretold. But even beyond that, I have personal witness to the fact of a secure word and biblical record--which I have received from God in his presents, caught up to the third heaven as revealed by Paul. Paul is my witness, and I am His, and together we do the work of Christ.

 

[Gary Mac]

We who are Christ's all follow Christ, but we also follow Paul for he came before us just as did the immediate former generation and our own fathers and those before. The lineage from Christ until now, does indeed include many false teachers and those we ought not follow, but Paul was not one of them. Paul was appointed by Christ for a specific purpose, and God the Father has confirmed it under the providence of His own word. Men may well have, said "Let's follow Paul and include his writings in the biblical record"--but men did not preserve it down through time--only God can do that.

But I do not make such a declaration merely by my own take on what has become biblical and seemingly common doctrine. On the contrary, the common Christian doctrine suffers under the foretold false teachings and strong delusion--which Paul, agreeing with Peter foretold. But even beyond that, I have personal witness to the fact of a secure word and biblical record--which I have received from God in his presents, caught up to the third heaven as revealed by Paul. Paul is my witness, and I am His, and together we do the work of Christ.

I follow Jesus who lead me to the Christ, Gods anointing in me, Christ in me just as Jesus was anointed of God no different at all. His Spirit as my own Spirit.

You are separating yourself from Christ to be anointed of God, which would be Christ in you. You are followers of Paul instead.

The lineage of Christ, Gods anointing, started in Adam not Jesus, where Adam received his born again mind from God, the spiritual mind of God, proven in Gen 3:22. Abraham, Moses, Mary Jesus, 120 and all today are of that same family who God is the Father of our Spirit, mind. It is who we are not what we are.

Docteines? When one first reads the statements of Jesus they seem simple and wonderful and go un noted for his intent in them, and do not sink in for their value for who Jesus said he was in God.
All His statements are directed to the fact that we are to have the very same in us from God Himself that he received from God in himself. Perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. Matt 5:48.

Who can hear it? Jesus teachings is all out of proportion to the natural man who has his own ideas for a god and bases his doctrines on ignorance from not having from God Himself, the only One who can open the truth in you, and not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16 that most dont even believe that God did open in that man who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus even though they read that He did.

The ways of Jesus is an extreme discomfort when you read to walk as as he walks in His same light with the same signs following you and in that do greater works that Jesus did. Be ye therefore perfect even as God in Heaven is perfect Matt 5:48 -- Who can do it, You? You are supposeto be that same person of Christ anointed of God Himself as Jesus was, as Adam was, as Moses was, as Abraham was, as Mary was as 120 was.

You say you are a follower of Christ, then what happened that you are not that person of Christ anointed of God and follow others such as Paul instead?

Sanctification is the perfections of Jesus in his Father are imparted me, letting the same holiness that God puts within man by the Spirit that He did in Jesus be in me. It isnt an imitation as Paul taught, or I am not adopted into Gods family, I am born of God just as Jesus was in Matt 3:16.

I follow the ways of Jesus. But to you and others here that isnt good enough. And the enemy of good is to be the best and walk in it as He walks in it as Jesus walked in it. That isnt good enough for most obviously by their rebuttal of the ways of Jesus in the Father and said we should have the very same.

Trying to convince me that you have the better way is futile, Jesus had the better way for me in the Father and even prayed to his God for his God to be in me and I in Him as one as Jesus was one in the Father in John 17. His prayer was answered for me. I and the Father are one. That doesnt register to you?

 

[ScottA]

the same signs following you and in that do greater works that Jesus did

What signs and greater works have you done?

You say you are a follower of Christ, then what happened that you are not that person of Christ anointed of God and follow others such as Paul instead?

I am not a follower of Paul as you put it, but am a fellow servant and follower of Christ in God.

Sanctification is the perfections of Jesus in his Father are imparted me, letting the same holiness that God puts within man by the Spirit that He did in Jesus be in me. It isnt an imitation as Paul taught,

What "imitation" taught by Paul are you accusing him of?

Trying to convince me that you have the better way is futile,

I am not trying to convince you. Period. I was sharing what is written of these times with you--and it would appear that you missed it entirely by defending your own position.

 

[Gary Mac]

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What signs and greater greater works have you done?

Well I want into prisons for over 25 years, seen many saved seen many not saved. Was clergy doing hospitals 4 days a week for years seen many healed seen many die. Gathered food and clothing for street peopl for over 10 years, gave away cars and vans to some who need transportation to and from work. Gave the last 50 years of my life to those who were in need, now that I am an old man and cant get around as I once did as a young man, I have to settle in a place such as this that I can tell the works Jesus did and we all do who has the same mind of God, and that is exactly what I am doing here.

Now you tell us what greater works that you have done since Jesus said you would! I love to hear what God has done in their lives that they go out as we are supposed to do from a heart of Love instead of trying to follow some law that says we must.

I am not a follower of Paul as you put it, but am a fellow servant and follower of Christ in God.

For what it is worth -- I am very pleased to hear that you are not a follower of Paul and a fellow servant with Jesus in the same God that he was of.

What "imitation" taught by Paul are you accusing him of?

Imitators -- Ep 5. Read it. Be ye follows of Paul. Sorry Paul could be wrong, Only God Himself can open those truths in man. Jesus was proof of that in Matt 3:16.

I do not imitate God or Jesus or Paul. The Father is in me and I in Him are one, see Jesus prayer to his God that we all be in John 17.

Imitations are wannabes and are of law, not Spirit to walk in it as God walks in it. Laws as in trying to be adopted into Gods kingdom , which is an imitation, instead of being born into it.

I am not trying to convince you. Period. I was sharing what is written of these times with you--and it would appear that you missed it entirely by defending your own position.

Sharing what is written or sharing your own opinions about what is written? And it would appear that I missed it just as those of Jesus day appeared to them that Jesus missed it, and look how they treated him for his misgivings.

Bottom line -- Either you are as Jesus was in God or you are not. There is no in-between, no excuses why one is or is not like the God who simply is Love. In His same image.

 

[ScottA]

Well I want into prisons for over 25 years, seen many saved seen many not saved. Was clergy doing hospitals 4 days a week for years seen many healed seen many die. Gathered food and clothing for street peopl for over 10 years, gave away cars and vans to some who need transportation to and from work. Gave the last 50 years of my life to those who were in need, now that I am an old man and cant get around as I once did as a young man, I have to settle in a place such as this that I can tell the works Jesus did and we all do who has the same mind of God, and that is exactly what I am doing here.

Now you tell us what greater works that you have done since Jesus said you would! I love to hear what God has done in their lives that they go out as we are supposed to do from a heart of Love instead of trying to follow some law that says we must.

All good, and I although you didn't claim raising the dead, etc., I do applaud you. It is good!

Although that is not the "greater works" Jesus was referring to.

Jesus came onto the world scene at the apex of what would occur by the power of God among men, between the days following the first Adam, and that of the Last Adam--but. "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46). This again ties Paul to the gospel of Christ. Jesus was referring to as "greater works"--before Paul spoke/wrote the above passage--and He too indicated the arrival of the kingdom of God coming unto men--God whom is spirit, saying "It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you" John 16:7). In other words, before that all the miracles and works of God were regarding the world and its elements, including the flesh. But "afterward" the "greater works" would be greater--because the Spirit is greater than the flesh.

As for me--I have told you already.

 

[ScottA]

Imitators -- Ep 5. Read it. Be ye follows of Paul. Sorry Paul could be wrong, Only God Himself can open those truths in man. Jesus was proof of that in Matt 3:16.

I do not imitate God or Jesus or Paul. The Father is in me and I in Him are one, see Jesus prayer to his God that we all be in John 17.

Imitations are wannabes and are of law, not Spirit to walk in it as God walks in it. Laws as in trying to be adopted into Gods kingdom , which is an imitation, instead of being born into it.

What you have made a negative accusation of Paul, was actually him doing what he was instructed to do--by the Lord of all. He was in fact instructed to be all things to all people (that he might save some), and do so in a way that it could be taught as instructions to many generations. That the church may endure until the end.

As for the Law, Paul spoke rightly of it, you have not.

As for walking in the spirit, many generations have been given over to apostasy that each would suffer, carrying forward the same life and death, blessing and cursing set before every generation. Paul's teachings were not imitation, but lamentation for the nations.

 

[ScottA]

Sharing what is written or sharing your own opinions about what is written? And it would appear that I missed it just as those of Jesus day appeared to them that Jesus missed it, and look how they treated him for his misgivings.

Bottom line -- Either you are as Jesus was in God or you are not. There is no in-between, no excuses why one is or is not like the God who simply is Love. In His same image.

Sharing what was written but sealed for a time, restrained, but now revealed...just as it was foretold to occur.

 

[Behold]

True enough on the timeline OF THIS WORLD, but the kingdom is not of this world.

The Holy Bible is a spiritual book of progressive revelation being revealed.
Its shows what was always in God's Foreknowledge as..

What God has done,

what God is doing,

and what God is going to do next.......regarding His dealing with mankind.

God never changes, but HOW He deals with Man, has changed many times, with more changes on the way.

What are the 2 most recent?

Well, The Cross ended the old covenant, that began the New Covenant and the Body of Christ, and in came "the time of the gentiles'".
This is soon to end, the Rapture will occur, and God will resume His dealing with the JEW, and this is the "Tribulation".

 

[ScottA]

The Holy Bible is a spiritual book of progressive revelation being revealed.
Its shows what was always in God's Foreknowledge as..

What God has done,

what God is doing,

and what God is going to do next.......regarding His dealing with mankind.

God never changes, but HOW He deals with Man, has changed many times, with more changes on the way.

What are the 2 most recent?

Well, The Cross ended the old covenant, that began the New Covenant and the Body of Christ, and in came "the time of the gentiles'".
This is soon to end, the Rapture will occur, and God will resume His dealing with the JEW, and this is the "Tribulation".

Oh, one would think that the renewing of the mind would be possible after 2,000 years. Perhaps not.

But then again--how many times must it be said--after all this time, it is still true: "the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect."

 

[Behold]

Oh, one would think that the renewing of the mind would be possible after 2,000 years.

Renewing of the mind, is simply to correctly understand the Grace of God as the "imputed righteousness of Christ"".

Its to perfectly undersatand that The Cross of Christ = is the Grace of God.......its the understanding that Jesus is Salvation and Jesus is Eternal life.
Its to "establish your heart with Grace".... Hebrews 13:9.....so that you never again try to earn or perform for God because you believe you have to do it to keep from losing your Salvation or to remain in peace with God.
So, to possess that "mind", means that your faith is correct, and once that is true, then God is able to build upon this with more "knowledge of God" = revelaiton knowledge.

Another way to understand the "renewed mind" is this..

Its God's perspective regarding How He only sees the CHRISTian as "made righteous", "sinless", a "Saint", and to have eternally become """the righteousness of God in Christ".
So, when we have God's perspective of who we have become "in Christ", then that is the "renewed mind".

And when we truly have this right mind, then Paul says we are "as many as be perfect"......and by keeping this right mind, we "put on the Helmet of Salvation".

So, who doesnt have this right mind?

1.) Everyone who believes that they can lose their salvation..
2.) Or its the person who beleives that if they are not perfect according to the 10 Commandments or Law or their idea of "sin"... then their "fellowship with God is broken, untill they confess something".

 

[Gary Mac]

All good, and I although you didn't claim raising the dead, etc., I do applaud you. It is good!

Although that is not the "greater works" Jesus was referring to.

Jesus came onto the world scene at the apex of what would occur by the power of God among men, between the days following the first Adam, and that of the Last Adam--but. "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46). This again ties Paul to the gospel of Christ. Jesus was referring to as "greater works"--before Paul spoke/wrote the above passage--and He too indicated the arrival of the kingdom of God coming unto men--God whom is spirit, saying "It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you" John 16:7). In other words, before that all the miracles and works of God were regarding the world and its elements, including the flesh. But "afterward" the "greater works" would be greater--because the Spirit is greater than the flesh.

As for me--I have told you already.

 

[Gary Mac]

In 1966 I died on an operating table from massive head injuries I sustained from an auto accident. A lil ole lady prayed for me while I was laying there and here I am today. Some things was revealed in me in that 4 minutes. And you are correct it isnt about raising the physical man from death, it is about raising the spirit man from death and coming to life in Gods anointing of mind, Spirit.

And the natural man always comes first, no man is born with that knowledge of God, not even Jesus was and was proven in Matt 3:16 when God Himself came to that man by the Spirit that He is and opened up who He is and all of His heaven in that man just as we all who has come to that same life and has received the same from God Himself the same.

And until that physical man in self understanding goes away, which is that image of God as a man of flesh instead of Spirit that He is, the God Who is a Spirit cannot come to you at all. And as long as that old temple stands and its laws for a god, the laws to regulate a belief for a god, that new spiritual temple that man is cannot be built.

As far as Spirit being greater than flesh is the truth, but sadly the flesh has more dominance over man than to give up that right to themselves to be like the God of Spirit who simply is Love for the flesh man desires to be as Paul was who had that very thorn in his flesh which was his desire to be exalted beyond measure for his abundance of revelations, beliefs, and is common among most today with most preachers whos desire is to have their name on the marque just as Paul explains in himself.

Contray to that, Jesus would do a certain thing then say go and tell no one then disappear though the crowd undetected.

Man likes to regulate their own destiny, beliefs for a god and make laws to govern their beliefs for a god that they can control, that is why we have so may belief systems, some 35,000 different belief systems that has their own bylaws to regulate their beliefs for a god instead of actually coming to life in the only God who is Love and man is the kingdom in which He lives, Luke 17:20-21.

 

[Gary Mac]

What you have made a negative accusation of Paul, was actually him doing what he was instructed to do--by the Lord of all. He was in fact instructed to be all things to all people (that he might save some), and do so in a way that it could be taught as instructions to many generations. That the church may endure until the end.

As for the Law, Paul spoke rightly of it, you have not.

As for walking in the spirit, many generations have been given over to apostasy that each would suffer, carrying forward the same life and death, blessing and cursing set before every generation. Paul's teachings were not imitation, but lamentation for the nations.

Jim Jones, and David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, all was doing what they said God would have of them didnt they? Does that make it right?

That is exactly why I listen to Jesus in who he said he was in God and that I should have the same.

Why would I believe another such as yourself or Paul, or Jim Jones or Warren Jeffs, or any other man when God Himself is my instructor?

What has Paul considered that God Himself cannot convey in me? I do not consult with others for my identity is with the same God as Jesus was identified with. And in -- John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

It works for me. Paul could be wrong, so could John or Peter or any other man but God Himself has the truths, all they had was their own witness but it is a completely different matter when God Himself comes to you the same way as He did Jesus and open in you who He is and all of His heaven in you. And in that I need no man teach me, not even Jesus can give you that information, all Jesus could do is tell you how to receive the same from God as he did. In that Gods salvation is in your hands what you will do Wirth it, work out what God works within.

 

[ScottA]

Renewing of the mind, is simply to correctly understand the Grace of God as the "imputed righteousness of Christ"".

Its to perfectly undersatand that The Cross of Christ = is the Grace of God.......its the understanding that Jesus is Salvation and Jesus is Eternal life.
Its to "establish your heart with Grace".... Hebrews 13:9.....so that you never again try to earn or perform for God because you believe you have to do it to keep from losing your Salvation or to remain in peace with God.
So, to possess that "mind", means that your faith is correct, and once that is true, then God is able to build upon this with more "knowledge of God" = revelaiton knowledge.

Another way to understand the "renewed mind" is this..

Its God's perspective regarding How He only sees the CHRISTian as "made righteous", "sinless", a "Saint", and to have eternally become """the righteousness of God in Christ".
So, when we have God's perspective of who we have become "in Christ", then that is the "renewed mind".

And when we truly have this right mind, then Paul says we are "as many as be perfect"......and by keeping this right mind, we "put on the Helmet of Salvation".

So, who doesnt have this right mind?

1.) Everyone who believes that they can lose their salvation..
2.) Or its the person who beleives that if they are not perfect according to the 10 Commandments or Law or their idea of "sin"... then their "fellowship with God is broken, untill they confess something".

While all that does perhaps require a renewing of the mind, "the renewing of your mind" refers rather to "rightly dividing the word of truth" between what is Godly and worldly regarding what is written--which is to say, between what is actually of eternity and what is of the times of this world.

 

[Gary Mac]

Renewing of the mind, is simply to correctly understand the Grace of God as the "imputed righteousness of Christ"".

Actually renewing of the mind is God opening in you a whole new knowledge that you had not before. Even Jesus himself could not escape this fact if he was to be of God, proven in Matt 3:16, and received this renewing from God Himself, knowledge of Gods Spirit and all of His heaven when God renewed his mind, opening a new heaven and earth in that man just as He does in us all who will let Him instead of dictate their own ideas, beliefs, to Him.

 

[ScottA]

In 1966 I died on an operating table from massive head injuries I sustained from an auto accident. A lil ole lady prayed for me while I was laying there and here I am today. Some things was revealed in me in that 4 minutes. And you are correct it isnt about raising the physical man from death, it is about raising the spirit man from death and coming to life in Gods anointing of mind, Spirit.

And the natural man always comes first, no man is born with that knowledge of God, not even Jesus was and was proven in Matt 3:16 when God Himself came to that man by the Spirit that He is and opened up who He is and all of His heaven in that man just as we all who has come to that same life and has received the same from God Himself the same.

And until that physical man in self understanding goes away, which is that image of God as a man of flesh instead of Spirit that He is, the God Who is a Spirit cannot come to you at all. And as long as that old temple stands and its laws for a god, the laws to regulate a belief for a god, that new spiritual temple that man is cannot be built.

As far as Spirit being greater than flesh is the truth, but sadly the flesh has more dominance over man than to give up that right to themselves to be like the God of Spirit who simply is Love for the flesh man desires to be as Paul was who had that very thorn in his flesh which was his desire to be exalted beyond measure for his abundance of revelations, beliefs, and is common among most today with most preachers whos desire is to have their name on the marque just as Paul explains in himself.

Contray to that, Jesus would do a certain thing then say go and tell no one then disappear though the crowd undetected.

Man likes to regulate their own destiny, beliefs for a god and make laws to govern their beliefs for a god that they can control, that is why we have so may belief systems, some 35,000 different belief systems that has their own bylaws to regulate their beliefs for a god instead of actually coming to life in the only God who is Love and man is the kingdom in which He lives, Luke 17:20-21.

Jim Jones, and David Koresh, Warren Jeffs, all was doing what they said God would have of them didnt they? Does that make it right?
That is exactly why I listen to Jesus in who he said he was in God and that I should have the same.

Why would I believe another such as yourself or Paul, or Jim Jones or Warren Jeffs, or any other man when God Himself is my instructor?

What has Paul considered that God Himself cannot convey in me? I do not consult with others for my identity is with the same God as Jesus was identified with. And in -- John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

It works for me. Paul could be wrong, so could John or Peter or any other man but God Himself has the truths, all they had was their own witness but it is a completely different matter when God Himself comes to you the same way as He did Jesus and open in you who He is and all of His heaven in you. And in that I need no man teach me, not even Jesus can give you that information, all Jesus could do is tell you how to receive the same from God as he did. In that Gods salvation is in your hands what you will do Wirth it, work out what God works within.

I enlarged your above question as it is the crux of the problem.

You are a man of good works, and God is with you. That is not the issue now at hand during these times. If you consider it enough, then consider it enough. God is good!

However, that is not all there is to the many matters of God; and the reason I have brought it to your attention, is because you are here imposing those limits as standard--as if you had discovered the only way to be One in spirit with God. There is an irony in your witness, suggesting that by your testimony, others should listen to you and follow you.

But the issue, and the crux of the problem here, is that you have singled out only one means that God prescribed, as if that is it--as though, if Paul is not to be followed (according to you--whom you name among the false), neither should Moses have been followed (which you said)--or Joshua, or David. Or as if no one should have believed the prophets of God. And since God never changes--that no one should ever believe one sent from God ever, even now when it is written that all has not been revealed and would not be until the seventh angel is about to sound. You even put limits on Jesus, who is the Word of God and God, which was before the foundation of the world, and has been given all power in heaven and earth.

This is correction--that although God has been good and specific with you--His way is greater--and you should not hinder those whom He has approached by other means, namely by those whom He has sent.

You have much to offer, and there are many things that could be discussed. You have no need to defend yourself. But it is not good for you to limit things to your own personal experience as a standard for all.

 

[Gary Mac]

I enlarged your above question as it is the crux of the problem.

You are a man of good works, and God is with you. That is not the issue now at hand during these times. If you consider it enough, then consider it enough. God is good!

However, that is not all there is to the many matters of God; and the reason I have brought it to your attention, is because you are here imposing those limits as standard--as if you had discovered the only way to be One in spirit with God. There is an irony in your witness, suggesting that by your testimony, others should listen to you and follow you.

If you know a different way into Gods kingdom than by His Spirit, then tell us of it.

The discovery is the same discovery that Jesus discovered in Matt 3:16. Adam did in Gen 3:22, Abraham did, Moses did, Mary did, 120 did. It might do some well to discover the same.

The irony is -- will you discover the same as all of these did?

But the issue, and the crux of the problem here, is that you have singled out only one means that God prescribed, as if that is it--as though, if Paul is not to be followed (according to you--whom you name among the false), neither should Moses have been followed (which you said)--or Joshua, or David. Or as if no one should have believed the prophets of God. And since God never changes--that no one should ever believe one sent from God ever, even now when it is written that all has not been revealed and would not be until the seventh angel is about to sound. You even put limits on Jesus, who is the Word of God and God, which was before the foundation of the world, and has been given all power in heaven and earth.

There is only one means to the Father. As I said if you know a different way to the Father then tell us of it.

And if you need Paul to lead yo to a belief for a god, then so be it, but as for me, and Jesus was the same, our God is quite sufficient to tell us His will for us. If you need another such as Paul then I do understand why, God is not able.

The reason that God is not revealed to anyone is they refuse the One who is at their door knocking this very day, for any man who will open it and let Him in He will come to you, and sup with you, and be in you. Rev 3:20.

You only make up excuses for your own ideas, beliefs for a god instead of letting the One who did come to all of these we read of and spend in them who He is.

I do not put limits on Jesus at all, he was my brother, we have the same Father who is God. You however have limited who Jesus said he was in the Father to your own ideas for who he should be that you may regulate his actions and being.

And you didn't answer, who do you say this was Jesus Jesus spoke of that he could do noting at all wqithout? Why dont you answer that question sense you accuse me of limiting Jesus obligations to the Father? Tell his plainly without your editing for who he said he was in God.

Will you man up and do that? Who was this Jesus spoke off it was not his God that he obeyed and prayed to?

I didnt write this stuff, but by identification with the same God in me, I can identify with his truths. That seems to be a very big problem with you.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

This is correction--that although God has been good and specific with you--His way is greater--and you should not hinder those whom He has approached by other means, namely by those whom He has sent.

I cant hinder anyone, either they are that person of Christ that God sent Jesus as example for who we are supposed to be or they are not. That isnt my choice at all, it is your own choice, your decision where to pick up that cross and continue in the Father where Jesus left off. All that I can do is the same as Jesus could do and present to you who you are supposed to be in Gods anointing, and be that person of Christ anointed of God yourself.

if there are limitations it is by your own hands, not mine at all, So dont try and condemn me for your own shortcomings.

You have much to offer, and there are many things that could be discussed. You have no need to defend yourself. But it is not good for you to limit things to your own personal experience as a standard for all.

I dont have a standard, all I can do is be that person of God that He creates man to be by the Spirit of mind that He is by His standards. God sets the standard and He left it up to the individuals to make their choice whether to have a belief for a god, or actually be like Him and in His same image. Walk as He walks in His same disposition of mind, Spirit.

You are looking at me the very same way as those of Jesus day looked at him as a blasphemer for the very same reason. And I know your thoughts as in, who does this guy think he is? And I have told you plainly who I am in the Father just as Jesus told plainly who he was in the Father. He in me and I in Him are one, John 17, for the God of it all is Love and man either has that same mind of or one does not.

We can argue over the simplicity for who God is all that you like but the stark reality is, if it is God seemly is a Spirit of Love and man is the place of it, no matter what you say about a god, no matter what you think of me, Love is the only way of the Father of it. And either you walk as He walks in it or you do not.

And if you do then all those laws that started as some origional 2500 laws and was reduced to 613, where about half pertained to mans relations to God and about half pertained to mans relationship to man, and Moses reduces those 613 laws down to 10, where the first four pertained to mans relationship to God and the last six pertains to mans relationship with man. and Jesus broke those down into two categories, Love God, Love man as thyself.

If that actually becomes ones disposition and that Love is true within the individual without trying to follow them but actually being a reality and who we are, then the law is fulfilled and one is no longer under those laws for the reality of them comes to actual being.

You may not like me, and just as with Jesus, many more disliked him than did, why? Because he offered something they were not willing to accept or even look at in themselves.

Im not the enemy at all, the enemy is self. And the enemy of good -- is the best!

There is a quote from Mark Twain that states something like this.

"The two most important days in a persons life is the day that you were born, and the day they find out why.

Think on that!