JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[ScottA]

Im not accusing you of anything, you are very clear in your beliefs for a god.

As for me Gods kingdom is here and now, I suppose you will wait for another 2000 years for it to manifest as all of these millions have done before us that they went to a grave never seeing the One knocking at your door this day waiting for you to let Him come to you this very day? Rev 3:20.

You listen to man instead of God. He would come to you and sup with you and be in you, but that isnt going to happen is it?

Why are you so bitter?

I have not told you what I "believe", but you have assumed the worst--then yes, you again accuse me, saying, "You listen to man instead of God." Which is not true at all.

And again, you sidestepped the finished work of Christ for these times of the gentiles and the church.

 

[Lizbeth]

Most do follow Paul instead of Jesus. I do not follow anyone except who Jesus said he was in God and I should have the same in me Who was in him. Paul used trickery to get people to follow him in his ways and even stated that he did in 2 Cor 12:16 Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!

Paul had me under his spell for many years until I started listening to God Himself and came and open in me who He is and all of His heavens just as He did in Adam, in Gen 3;22, and Abraham, and Moses and Mary, and Jesus in Matt 3:16 and 120 in an upper room, no different at all.

Jesus didnt need any man teach him nor do I, God Himself is quite capable of conveying His message , all I have to do is listen to Him instead of man. And Jesus said in John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. I did and God did.

Jesus is my way, not Paul or any other. For most -- Jesus isnt good enough for information that you may be like he was in the Father, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect Matt 5:48, so they turn to someone they can relate to as a sinner such as Paul said he was instead.

Oh dear.....it seems you took Paul too literally in that 2 Cor 12:16 verse. He was reproving that church and using sarcasm to make a point.

May I ask, what fault do you find with any of the teachings of Paul.....? Do any of his writings not agree with what the Lord has shown you?

 

[Gary Mac]

Tit for tat, and more accusations. All because you have not heard the more in God that was foretold, but apparently stopped when you yourself were satisfied.

That which was foretold has manifest in us all who has received that gift from God of it. It is foretold and Jesus was very clear what the outcome of it is in man.

And no, I have not answered your question--because it is a trick question.

A trick question? LOL. All I did was ask you who it was Jesus spoke of when he said those things of himself and his God who sent him. LOL

But if you were not blinded by your own doctrinal agenda, you would have heard Him in me, elaborating what He, God has written for these times.

I dont have a doctrine, all I do is copy and past Jesus doctrine in who he said he was in God and that must be and I am the same by the same Spirit in me who was in Christ Jesus.

That just isnt good enough for you obviously.

You had your answer--from God--but did not perceive it.

Id did have my answer from God Himself just as Jesus said I should go to the Father and He did give it me, it would be wise for you to listen to Jesus and do the same. He is a real eye opener and even opens Jesus eyes to His heaven in Matt 3:16.

And the real reason that you will not answer who it was Jesus spoke of is because if you did it would destroy your doctrine that you have made up to regulate Jesus and God to obey your beliefs for a god instead. Beliefs are not real only speculations and just as with yourself one can believe anything about a god but it is another matter when the God who is Love comes to resides within you and you come to be in His same image of.

So simple yet you make it so hard from self beliefs instead of the reality of God manifest in you.

 

[ScottA]

That which was foretold has manifest in us all who has received that gift from God of it. It is foretold and Jesus was very clear what the outcome of it is in man.


A trick question? LOL. All I did was ask you who it was Jesus spoke of when he said those things of himself and his God who sent him. LOL


I dont have a doctrine, all I do is copy and past Jesus doctrine in who he said he was in God and that must be and I am the same by the same Spirit in me who was in Christ Jesus.

That just isnt good enough for you obviously.


Id did have my answer from God Himself just as Jesus said I should go to the Father and He did give it me, it would be wise for you to listen to Jesus and do the same. He is a real eye opener and even opens Jesus eyes to His heaven in Matt 3:16.

And the real reason that you will not answer who it was Jesus spoke of is because if you did it would destroy your doctrine that you have made up to regulate Jesus and God to obey your beliefs for a god instead. Beliefs are not real only speculations and just as with yourself one can believe anything about a god but it is another matter when the God who is Love comes to resides within you and you come to be in His same image of.

So simple yet you make it so hard from self beliefs instead of the reality of God manifest in you.

Now your accusations are just lies, so we're done. So shall it be written of you.

 

[Gary Mac]

These things speak to the Jew first, then the Gentile.

And Jesus was correcting the wrong belief and mindset of the Jews when He told them His kingdom comes not with observation that you may say lo here it is or there, but His kingdom is within us (Luk 17:20-21). A belief in an earthly king and earthly utopian kingdom was a major factor in them rejecting Him as Messiah.

True!

 

[Gary Mac]

Why are you so bitter?

Same reason Jesus was to the same for the very same reason. He came with a sword as well. Truth is, thew truth hurts those not will ing to know the truth from God Himself.

What you see as bitter is the very same as the Jews of Jesus day saw it as bitter, but the real truth is he loved them enough to at least tell them the truth, thus goes with me. If Love that God is a bitter test in your mouth then there really isnt much I can say or do about it.

I have not told you what I "believe", but you have assumed the worst--then yes, you again accuse me, saying, "You listen to man instead of God." Which is not true at all.

If you did listen to God you would be exactly as Jesus was in God. B ut what I her from you is man opinions about a god and Jesus instead.

And again, you sidestepped the finished work of Christ for these times of the gentiles and the church.

Sidestep the finish work? God in me is the finished work, no one more thing God can do or say to we who He has come to and made His abode in us and we in Him are one and walk as He walks in His same light, disposition of mind. That is the finish, noting more He can say or do.

As far as Gods church is concerned, all who has the very same from God as Jesus received from God in Matt 3:16 as God commands of us all, are His church. His church doesnt sit between four walls fill with a pulpit and pews and laws to regulate a belief for a god. His church empties those pews and hits the streets, highways, byways, prisons, giving of themselves to help those in need of a friend. We gather from home to house telling of the miracles and disappointments of our ventures with man.

Catholics are not His church they are the laws for Catholic Church instead. Jews are not His church they are of their own laws to govern their god. Mormons are not His church, they are of the laws for the book of Morman instead. Baptists are ba[ptists and the laws of, AOGS, COCs, Muslims, you name it, all are their own churches with laws to regulate it and are established for enterprise instead of going out as Jesus did and doing as he did as Gods church does. Not regulated by laws and bylaws, but free to be that anointed child of God and give or lives over to others who needs a friend without biased laws to try and regulate them to get them to be like you instead of like the author of Love.

You dont understand that concept at all do you?

You can go to one church and they will tell you this is the truth. Go to the church across the street and they will tall you no, that is wrong this is the truth, go to the church on the next corner and they will tell you no they both are wrong this is the truth. All of that is just noise in the ears of God where His own are like Him and in His same image without all the ideas and laws to regulate those ideas.

We who are anointed of God, Christ in us, are free from all of those regulatory mans ideas for a god.

 

[Gary Mac]

Now your accusations are just lies, so we're done. So shall it be written of you.

It already is written of me, I took those little books and ate them and got them inside me, they come to life in me. The whole book ia about you and who are you written in that book of life. And it written who I am in it and who you are in it. As for me it is written that I be fine in God as Jesus was one in Him, and for what ever reason that goads your own ideas about. but you also are written in there, just refuse to see it.

The definition of the Holy Bible is little books and It isnt an historical document at all, it is a religious document consisting of 66 different books, composed by many different writers, in 3 different languages, under different circumstances.

You just never have heard the gospel of Christ as Jesus taught it, that is very obvious all that you know is mans own writings about it.

Well if I copy and paste who Jesus said he was in God and that we should have the same from God is considered lies for you, then there really isnt much Jesus or God or me can say or do for you. ,

So anyway Im sorry that the ways of to be as Jesus was in the Father has you upset showing immaturity only because you would have your own way instead of being as Jesus was in God in His own ways that you see as accusations, but in reality is truths.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

To see the kingdom of God a man must be born again.

The kingdom being spoken of is the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, in which, Christ will reign along with the believing remnant, the Israel of God (Exodus 19:5-6 Luke 12:32 Psalm 22:28 Galatians 6:16).

To enter into the kingdom a man must be born of water and of the Spirit. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus; believe he was the Messiah, the Son of God (John 20:31 1 John 5:13). Jesus is saying that Israel had to repent and confess their sins as a nation and each one be water baptized and receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

The Holy Spirit, under the fulfillment of the new covenant, will cleanse Israel with water and put a new spirit in them; he will cause them to walk in his statutes, keep his judgments, and do them (Ezekiel 36:24-28).

Jesus in saying "Ye must be born again" speaks of the nation of Israel.

No, it speaks of the every single individual.

Ephesians makes that clear and Romans 10 also does.

All are dead spiritually and must be made alive (born again).

2 cor. 5:17 wrotten to both Jew and Gentile shows that every one in Christ is a new creature (born again)

And if jesus was referring to jews only, He would not have used the generic "anthropos" (mankind) to say who must be born again.

Every human is born lost and dead as it is written. We must be made alive spiritually and that is being born again! Do not try to split Israelis from Gentiles in the church age.

 

[Doug]

No, it speaks of the every single individual.

First of all, let me say that if you want to say you are born again, go ahead. I am only asserting that applying that term to us may not be scripturally correct. If you do apply this to all believers, you are using a scriptural word in a non-scriptural way.

Look at this verse.............[Jhn 3:3 KJV] 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God..........who was being offered a kingdom during this time? Israel was not us.

[1Pe 1:23 KJV] 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Peter was written to scattered believing Israel and said they were born again, not us.

 

[Doug]

These things speak to the Jew first, then the Gentile.

And Jesus was correcting the wrong belief and mindset of the Jews when He told them His kingdom comes not with observation that you may say lo here it is or there, but His kingdom is within us (Luk 17:20-21). A belief in an earthly king and earthly utopian kingdom was a major factor in them rejecting Him as Messiah.

Just posted this......................
THE KINGDOM IS WITHIN YOU

 

[Doug]

These things speak to the Jew first, then the Gentile.

And Jesus was correcting the wrong belief and mindset of the Jews when He told them His kingdom comes not with observation that you may say lo here it is or there, but His kingdom is within us (Luk 17:20-21). A belief in an earthly king and earthly utopian kingdom was a major factor in them rejecting Him as Messiah.

The kingdom was being offered only to Israel when Luke 17:21 occured.....the kingdom was the prophetic earthly Davidic kingdom in which believing Israel would reign with Christ a thousand years

 

[Doug]

Ephesians makes that clear and Romans 10 also does.

Where does Paul say we are born again?

 

[Doug]

2 cor. 5:17 wrotten to both Jew and Gentile shows that every one in Christ is a new creature (born again)

A new man and a new creature is not the same as born again.......a born again Jew is still a Jew....ia new creature is neither Jew or Gentile

Israel is God's firstborn..................[Exo 4:22 KJV] 22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel [is] my son, [even] my firstborn:........they were born once but that would not get them into the kingdom, they had to be born again to inherit the kingdom.............[Jhn 3:7 KJV] 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.........ye in this verse is the nation Israel.

 

[Gary Mac]

No, it speaks of the every single individual.

Ephesians makes that clear and Romans 10 also does.

All are dead spiritually and must be made alive (born again).

2 cor. 5:17 wrotten to both Jew and Gentile shows that every one in Christ is a new creature (born again)

And if jesus was referring to jews only, He would not have used the generic "anthropos" (mankind) to say who must be born again.

Every human is born lost and dead as it is written. We must be made alive spiritually and that is being born again! Do not try to split Israelis from Gentiles in the church age.

Very Good, thank you!

 

[amigo de christo]

Being born again is to become a "New Creation in Christ" by being spiritually birthed by God's Holy Spirit.

So then who is born again .
Lets allow john to answer that .
HE who BELIEVES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST is born of GOD .
HE who hears us is of GOD
but he who hears not us IS NOT OF GOD .
ITS ALL ABOUT JESUS THE CHRIST . And i dont give a flipping rip
if an atheiset hugged a tree , a buddist gave all his money to the poor
and a muslim or any other CHRIST REJECTOR did good things .
THEY ALL GONNA WAIL on the DAY OF THE LORD for their rejection OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
TO DENY THE TESTIMONY THAT GOD GAVE OF THE SON , IS TO DENY GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF
to call GOD A LIAR and tis of ANTI CHRIST .
Some of us still preach THE REAL DEAL HERE my friend and we dont offer up false hope or false love
WE OFFER UP the ONLY NAME that can save with the dire REMINDER YE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .

 

[Behold]

So then who is born again .
Lets allow john to answer that .
HE who BELIEVES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST is born of GOD .

Amen

 

[Gary Mac]

So then who is born again .
Lets allow john to answer that .
HE who BELIEVES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST is born of GOD .
HE who hears us is of GOD
but he who hears not us IS NOT OF GOD .
ITS ALL ABOUT JESUS THE CHRIST . And i dont give a flipping rip
if an atheiset hugged a tree , a buddist gave all his money to the poor
and a muslim or any other CHRIST REJECTOR did good things .
THEY ALL GONNA WAIL on the DAY OF THE LORD for their rejection OF JESUS THE CHRIST .

Most today claiming christianity actually reject who Jesus said he was in God and has made him a god of flesh instead in spirit of who Jesus said he was in God that I quoted of him below.

The ironic in this is that atheists and the alike can see through these condemnations and want no part of their religious beliefs for a god.

TO DENY THE TESTIMONY THAT GOD GAVE OF THE SON , IS TO DENY GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF

Yes and most actually deny who Jesus said he was in the Father and falsely accuse him of being God instead.

to call GOD A LIAR and tis of ANTI CHRIST .

Yes, and as I said very few follow the ways of Jesus in the Father where the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation as they see as a man, but is with you. Most reject his statement in Luke 17:20-21.

Some of us still preach THE REAL DEAL HERE my friend and we dont offer up false hope or false love
WE OFFER UP the ONLY NAME that can save with the dire REMINDER YE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .

Jim Jones and David Koresh and Warren Jeffs all offered up the only name that can save them, that doesnt mean they were as Jesus was in the Father it means they had their own denominational laws to regulate their beliefs about it.

If one is not as Jesus was in the father as God sent him as example for us to be like, then one is not of Christ, Gods anointing, at all.


And better then John, lets let Jesus answer that. Here is who he said he was in his God that he prayed to and obeyed and we should have the very same. If one is not the same in God as he was then one is of a different belief aside from the realizations that God Himself puts in man just as he did in Jesus and Jesus testified of his God proven below.

Who will actually listen to Jesus in who he was in God? . Very few who find His ways as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.

John 12:49: For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 12:44-45. who believes in me, does not believe in me but in Him who sent me. He who sees me sees Him who sent me.

John 7:16. Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 5 :17 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19. “Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

John 6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

John 17:2-21, the kingdom of God doesnt come withj observation, it is withn you

John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Matt 11:25. At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one.

 

[Fred J]

It's the future prophetic kingdom in which believing Israel will reign with Christ for a thousand years

Gentiles too are included, since scripturally is written, 'there's neither Jews or Gentiles.'

 

[Fred J]

He commissioned them to teach all nations.....they gave this uo in Galatians 2 when they decided to just go to the Jews..........this commission will be fulfilled in the earthly kingdom by the resurrected disciples

Did you do the study of what happened to the Jewish disciples of Jesus, even Paul?

12 of them ended up being martyred in Gentile nations, except John, thus fulfilling the commission given by Jesus.

So don't be left behind claiming they were for the Jews, but catch up, for they've moved on to Gentiles and were martyred in their nation.

 

[Marvelloustime]

So then who is born again .
Lets allow john to answer that .
HE who BELIEVES that JESUS IS THE CHRIST is born of GOD .
HE who hears us is of GOD
but he who hears not us IS NOT OF GOD .
ITS ALL ABOUT JESUS THE CHRIST . And i dont give a flipping rip
if an atheiset hugged a tree , a buddist gave all his money to the poor
and a muslim or any other CHRIST REJECTOR did good things .
THEY ALL GONNA WAIL on the DAY OF THE LORD for their rejection OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
TO DENY THE TESTIMONY THAT GOD GAVE OF THE SON , IS TO DENY GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF
to call GOD A LIAR and tis of ANTI CHRIST .
Some of us still preach THE REAL DEAL HERE my friend and we dont offer up false hope or false love
WE OFFER UP the ONLY NAME that can save with the dire REMINDER YE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM .

@amigo de christo