Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Behold]

Jesus gave the Great Commission to His eleven apostles after His resurrection, commanding them “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations… teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you”

Jesus didnt give that "commission" to Paul.
Paul is a "chosen vessel" for a different situation........"the time of the GENTILES"..
So, Paul was not "making disciples"......>He was "preaching the Good news".. "the Gospel of the Grace of God" so that sinners could BELIEVE and become "Sons-Daughters" of God........not just "disciples".
When Jesus told the 11 to make "disciples" he told them about water baptism.
There is no water baptism in Paul's Gospel of the "Grace of God".

 

[GodsGrace]

Doesn't matter what I think about. The question is what did God think about it.

Who can know?
We each have a different opinion.

Look like Sola Scriptura doesn't function very well.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus didnt give that "commission" to Paul.
Paul is a "chosen vessel" for a different situation........"the time of the GENTILES"..
So, Paul was not "making disciples"......>He was "preaching the Good news".. "the Gospel of the Grace of God" so that sinners could BELIEVE and become "Sons-Daughters" of God........not just "disciples".
When Jesus told the 11 to make "disciples" he told them about water baptism.
There is no water baptism in Paul's Gospel of the "Grace of God".

Was Jesus teaching the Bad News?

WHO is at the center of the Good News?
Paul?

Did Paul go to that cross?

Jesus taught water baptism.....your statement
Paul did not teach water baptism....your statement.

Looks like we'll be needing TWO New Testaments.

The Jesus version
and the
Paul version.

Good going Behold.
Keep it up.

Please show where Jesus taught something different than Paul.

Please state who exactly Paul saw on his way to Damascus.
I always thought it was Jesus.

Perhaps Jesus taught Paul something different than He taught the other 12??
That might be it.

Wow. Christianity is in a real mess.

Talk about the Islamic Dillema.
We have a great dillema of our own...according to YOU.

 

[amigo de christo]

Who can know?
We each have a different opinion.

Look like Sola Scriptura doesn't function very well.

Oh its not that my friend .
but rather it looks like those whose desire is to feed their own flesh
will believe whatever twisted twist their hearts desired to believe .
Looks like the churches AINT doing too good and most are not functioning under and by the POWER of the SPIRIT .
The god of the mirror has become the god of this age .
As for years churches went about doing all to please man .
And the opinion and opinions of men became their entitlement .
I do have good news , at least for the sheep , THE SHEEP HEED CHRIST
and the voice of a stranger , they just wont heed .
The problem is not , nor ever will it be , IN the Words of TRUTH in scripture
nor the reminders we need to be in it daily .
The problem is many now follow a very diverse and strange flesh feeding jesus
and many feed from this fast food vending machine jesus .
And while their images of him are not the same
What is the same is that THEY DO FOLLOW another jesus and that jesus has fed them their fleshly desires

 

[amigo de christo]

Was Jesus teaching the Bad News?

WHO is at the center of the Good News?
Paul?

Did Paul go to that cross?

Jesus taught water baptism.....your statement
Paul did not teach water baptism....your statement.

Looks like we'll be needing TWO New Testaments.

The Jesus version
and the
Paul version.

Good going Behold.
Keep it up.

Please show where Jesus taught something different than Paul.

Please state who exactly Paul saw on his way to Damascus.
I always thought it was Jesus.

Perhaps Jesus taught Paul something different than He taught the other 12??
That might be it.

Wow. Christianity is in a real mess.

Talk about the Islamic Dillema.
We have a great dillema of our own...according to YOU.

From the lips of many within christendom
from the small to the great whether male or female
This people is speaking lies and many sure seem to love to have this so .
Prophesying by their own carnal intellect .
And many trapped under them whose love is for that which pleases the flesh
cannot see the winds of these who prophesy and have prophesied lies unto this people
WILL BRING THE GREAT AND MIGHTY WHIRLWIND of GOD ALL MIGHTY and OF THE LAMB
down upon them all . THAT HOUSE IS GOING DOWN on the day of the LORD .
And never will it stand again . Its ruin will be great for all who loved a lie
and had pleasure in unrightouesness and preached a love that was hate will have sealed their fate .
Now it really is BIBLE TIME in the house .
We gots to stop being so darn trusting in men . TRUST ONLY IN GOD and we sure can trust IN HIS WORDS
because HE IS TRUTH and so are his words .

 

[amigo de christo]

Hickory dickory dock
the mouse ran up the clock
the hour struck unawares
and they was unprepared
And DOWN came it all
and great was its fall .
The house of the harlot Will come crashing down on the day of the LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB .
Seeing the signs are massive
and no man knows the day and the hour
WE BESS BE WATCHING and BE READY .

 

[GodsGrace]

All nations will be blessed when Jesus returns. There are many places in the prophets and in Revelation that explain that.

I understand how this must all be rather unsettling (for want of a better word). At one time I thought exactly like you. I believed the long standing tradition. One day someone told me the things I'm telling you and I remember being rather shocked at the whole idea. But I had respect for the person who told me, so I started my own research to see if what he said was true or not. That's what the Berean's did when Paul rocked their doctrine boat.The ended up believing what Paul told them (Acts 17:11-12).

You know what's unsettling?
That persons come up with this weird stuff.

You think YOU are qualified to do your own studying.....
Right.

THIS is why sola scriptura does not work.

Did Paul --- Paul, the very favorite of some, as though HE went to the cross and not Jesus ---
Didn't Paul state that the Gentiles are grafted in?

Isn't this the whole point of explaining this to his Jewish brethren in Romans 9, 10 and 11?

How about having respect for what JESUS taught instead of what your friend believes?

Jesus said HE WAS THE NEW AND EVERLASTING COVENANT.
THEN He sent His disciples out to teach to all nations....
not just the middle east...and Israel in particular.

So,,,are we under ANY Covenant right now?

All I'm saying is that I've been on both sides of the fence and made my choice to believe scripture over man's tradition. I understand the difficulty in making the transition. I personally was blessed as the scriptures made more sense once I understood the difference between God's dealings with Israel and His dealings with the Christians. They are radically different.

Many have been on both sides of the fence.
Please post WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD'S DEALINGS WITH ISRAEL AND GOD'S DEALINGS WITH CHRISTIANS?

Are there 2 churches?
I think Jesus taught that there is one church and that we should agree.
I think Paul taught the same.

PAUL

Acts 20:28
28Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

WHO is being addressed? The Jews? The Christians?
Verse 21 states that Paul is speaking to both Jews and Greeks.

So was Paul ALSO preaching to the Jews?
I thought he was an Apostle to the Gentiles only?

Colossians 1:18
18And he is the head of the body, the church.

One body,,,not two.

1 Corinthians 12:13
13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.


JESUS:

Matthew 28:20
20Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
teaching all the nations


Matthew 6:18
18And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And, if I remember right, Jesus said this BEFORE the cross. (as if that made any difference).


John 12:48
48The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.


Revelation 1:11
11Saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
Was that population Jewish?


There's much more.

Those that believe

1. Paul taught something different than Jesus
or
2. Jesus was addressing the Jews


are separating the New Testament and creating a new religion.

The age in which we live is the mystery that was God's secret until He revealed it to Paul. It is the time between the day of Pentecost and the second advent of Jesus. It is the time between God's old covenant with Israel and God's future new covenant with Israel.

No... It's the time from when God revealed Himself to ONLY Israel, in the very specific way that He did....
Monotheism, for example when the region was practicing polytheism...

and when the revelation of Jesus was also to the Gentiles.

Jesus was throughout the entire bible....not only in the NT.

JESUS was the ultimate revelation of §God...meant for all people.

The culmination of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.

I don't know how to make myself any clearer. You can either pursue the matter on your own or drop it. There is no shortage of information on the internet should you decide to investigate for yourself to see if the things I said are true or not.

No need to pursue.
Scripture is clear and God is clear.

Paul, your favorite, said we have been grafted in.
I'll stick to that.

There is only ONE GOD.
There is only ONE TEACHING.

It is FOR ALL PEOPLE,,,
All people all over the world.


Read Romans 1:19.....until you really understand it.


Romans 1:19-20
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

 

[amigo de christo]

You know what's unsettling?
That persons come up with this weird stuff.

You think YOU are qualified to do your own studying.....
Right.

THIS is why sola scriptura does not work.

Did Paul --- Paul, the very favorite of some, as though HE went to the cross and not Jesus ---
Didn't Paul state that the Gentiles are grafted in?

Isn't this the whole point of explaining this to his Jewish brethren in Romans 9, 10 and 11?

How about having respect for what JESUS taught instead of what your friend believes?

Jesus said HE WAS THE NEW AND EVERLASTING COVENANT.
THEN He sent His disciples out to teach to all nations....
not just the middle east...and Israel in particular.

So,,,are we under ANY Covenant right now?


Many have been on both sides of the fence.
Please post WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD'S DEALINGS WITH ISRAEL AND GOD'S DEALINGS WITH CHRISTIANS?

Are there 2 churches?
I think Jesus taught that there is one church and that we should agree.
I think Paul taught the same.

PAUL

Acts 20:28
28Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

WHO is being addressed? The Jews? The Christians?
Verse 21 states that Paul is speaking to both Jews and Greeks.

So was Paul ALSO preaching to the Jews?
I thought he was an Apostle to the Gentiles only?

Colossians 1:18
18And he is the head of the body, the church.

One body,,,not two.

1 Corinthians 12:13
13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.


JESUS:

Matthew 28:20
20Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
teaching all the nations


Matthew 6:18
18And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And, if I remember right, Jesus said this BEFORE the cross. (as if that made any difference).


John 12:48
48The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.


Revelation 1:11
11Saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
Was that population Jewish?


There's much more.

Those that believe

1. Paul taught something different than Jesus
or
2. Jesus was addressing the Jews


are separating the New Testament and creating a new religion.



No... It's the time from when God revealed Himself to ONLY Israel, in the very specific way that He did....
Monotheism, for example when the region was practicing polytheism...

and when the revelation of Jesus was also to the Gentiles.

Jesus was throughout the entire bible....not only in the NT.

JESUS was the ultimate revelation of §God...meant for all people.

The culmination of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.


No need to pursue.
Scripture is clear and God is clear.

Paul, your favorite, said we have been grafted in.
I'll stick to that.

There is only ONE GOD.
There is only ONE TEACHING.

It is FOR ALL PEOPLE,,,
All people all over the world.


Read Romans 1:19.....until you really understand it.


Romans 1:19-20
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

you keep attacking the sola scripta .
TELL me my freind have you ever heard me teach any of these stange and odd teachings .
YET I SIMPLY READ THE BIBLE for myself . the problem is NOT in reading the bible for oneself .
The problem is THE WHY they do as they do . THOSE whose love is for the flesh
cannot discern TRUTH and at best can discern only truths BUT NOT THE TRUTH .
Now we cannot heed men who made it seem like one cannot learn that bible for themselves .
You dont see me runing around preaching two gospels
or prospirity gospel or any other thing like that .
GOD put THE LOVE for TRUTH UPON MY HEART and INTO ONE BOOK HE PUT ME TO LEARN .
we must not heed the voices of men who try and behave like a man simply cannot learn lest some wise leader guide him .
THAT Was all about power and control . and sure they did speak some truths
but USED THEM TRUTHS to then promote A LIE .

 

[Rich R]

None of that means you can't lose your salvation

Would you think God will cast some of His own children into the lake of fire?

 

[amigo de christo]

You know what's unsettling?
That persons come up with this weird stuff.

You think YOU are qualified to do your own studying.....
Right.

THIS is why sola scriptura does not work.

Did Paul --- Paul, the very favorite of some, as though HE went to the cross and not Jesus ---
Didn't Paul state that the Gentiles are grafted in?

Isn't this the whole point of explaining this to his Jewish brethren in Romans 9, 10 and 11?

How about having respect for what JESUS taught instead of what your friend believes?

Jesus said HE WAS THE NEW AND EVERLASTING COVENANT.
THEN He sent His disciples out to teach to all nations....
not just the middle east...and Israel in particular.

So,,,are we under ANY Covenant right now?


Many have been on both sides of the fence.
Please post WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOD'S DEALINGS WITH ISRAEL AND GOD'S DEALINGS WITH CHRISTIANS?

Are there 2 churches?
I think Jesus taught that there is one church and that we should agree.
I think Paul taught the same.

PAUL

Acts 20:28
28Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

WHO is being addressed? The Jews? The Christians?
Verse 21 states that Paul is speaking to both Jews and Greeks.

So was Paul ALSO preaching to the Jews?
I thought he was an Apostle to the Gentiles only?

Colossians 1:18
18And he is the head of the body, the church.

One body,,,not two.

1 Corinthians 12:13
13For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.


JESUS:

Matthew 28:20
20Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”
teaching all the nations


Matthew 6:18
18And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And, if I remember right, Jesus said this BEFORE the cross. (as if that made any difference).


John 12:48
48The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.


Revelation 1:11
11Saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.”
Was that population Jewish?


There's much more.

Those that believe

1. Paul taught something different than Jesus
or
2. Jesus was addressing the Jews


are separating the New Testament and creating a new religion.



No... It's the time from when God revealed Himself to ONLY Israel, in the very specific way that He did....
Monotheism, for example when the region was practicing polytheism...

and when the revelation of Jesus was also to the Gentiles.

Jesus was throughout the entire bible....not only in the NT.

JESUS was the ultimate revelation of §God...meant for all people.

The culmination of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.


No need to pursue.
Scripture is clear and God is clear.

Paul, your favorite, said we have been grafted in.
I'll stick to that.

There is only ONE GOD.
There is only ONE TEACHING.

It is FOR ALL PEOPLE,,,
All people all over the world.


Read Romans 1:19.....until you really understand it.


Romans 1:19-20
19because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

You really think this person is sola scripta , ITS OBVIOUS he learns things of men . LOOK at it .
Now if one really did read JUST the bible for themselves
and STOPPED trying to learn it from mens so called denominatial doctrines
WELL THEN , THINGS could truly have sailed so much simplier .
EVEN the poeple who holler sola scripta
AINT SOLA BIBLE ANYTHING . Calivin darn sure wasnt .
What he and others who have used the phrase should say , IF THEY WERE HONEST ,
is ITS SOLA CALIVIN , ITS SOLA LUTHER , OR etc .
CAUSE IT DARN SURE AINT SOLEY TRUTH FROM THE SCRIPTURES .
THEY LEARNED THIS from men who used the phrase sola scripta .
LOOK at joel osteen , HOLDS the BIBLE UP in his right hand
and makes his speech about THIS IS THE BIBLE
I can DO what it says
FUNNY THING HE SURE DONT DO WHAT IT SAYS NOR TEACHES what IT SAYS .
The problem IS NOT in reading the bible for oneself .
THE PROBLEM is reading IT THROUGH the lusts of the flesh , THROUGH the interpreations of men gone wrong
AND BELEIVE ME that WOULD FOR SURE INCLUDE THE RCC .

 

[nedsk]

Would you think God will cast some of His own children into the lake of fire?

God will never do that but that's not what happens we cast ourselves into the lake of fire when we don't do the will of the father.

 

[nedsk]

You really think this person is sola scripta , ITS OBVIOUS he learns things of men . LOOK at it .
Now if one really did read JUST the bible for themselves
and STOPPED trying to learn it from mens so called denominatial doctrines
WELL THEN , THINGS could truly have sailed so much simplier .
EVEN the poeple who holler sola scripta
AINT SOLA BIBLE ANYTHING . Calivin darn sure wasnt .
What he and others who have used the phrase should say , IF THEY WERE HONEST ,
is ITS SOLA CALIVIN , ITS SOLA LUTHER , OR etc .
CAUSE IT DARN SURE AINT SOLEY TRUTH FROM THE SCRIPTURES .
THEY LEARNED THIS from men who used the phrase sola scripta .
LOOK at joel osteen , HOLDS the BIBLE UP in his right hand
and makes his speech about THIS IS THE BIBLE
I can DO what it says
FUNNY THING HE SURE DONT DO WHAT IT SAYS NOR TEACHES what IT SAYS .
The problem IS NOT in reading the bible for oneself .
THE PROBLEM is reading IT THROUGH the lusts of the flesh , THROUGH the interpreations of men gone wrong
AND BELEIVE ME that WOULD FOR SURE INCLUDE THE RCC .

Sola scriptura is unbiblical. If you're preaching that nonsense then no one should be listening to you.

 

[amigo de christo]

Would you think God will cast some of His own children into the lake of fire?

OH NOT HIS OWN . HE will NOT cast HIS OWN into the lake of fire .
But he sure will those who followed and loved another jesus
Many within christendom are not of the first five letters of that CHRISTendom .
THEY gonna wail so loudly on the day of the LORD .
SO might i suggest bible time for us all . And if one wants to drink tea or etc while reading , HEY i got no problem with that .
JUST DONT DRINK of the cisterns of men while reading it through their denominatinal lens .
Cause YEAH you gonnabe DECIEVED by them and by their doctrines of which there are many .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sola scriptura is unbiblical. If you're preaching that nonsense then no one should be listening to you.

I preach BELIEVE ON JESUS and get IN that bible to learn OF HIM for oneself .
Most folks who i often hear say SOLA SCRIPTA
ITs like hearing a massive oxymorone from their lips
Because they say BUT DARN SURE DO NOT .
THEY learned from men .
DO you reallly think CALIVIN was BIBLICAL at all .
MOST folks learn the bible , OR REALLY what LITTLE THEY DO LEARN
from sola calvin , or sola luther , sola this and sola that and they all claim ITS THE BIBLE .
SO my warnings shall remain .
WE better darn sure know the JESUS we love and obey and trust
IS JESUS
if not IT WONT BE ABLE TO SAVE . bible time . not tomorrow
TODAY . lets get in it and enjoy it and love the lovely truth and exhort one another daily .
Because many are gonna be wailing on the day OF THE LORD
and it wont just be the false religoins , BUT MANY WITHIN EVEN CHRISTENDOM will wail and wail and wail .
FOR many loved another god , another jesus .

 

[nedsk]

I preach BELIEVE ON JESUS and get IN that bible to learn OF HIM for oneself .
Most folks who i often hear say SOLA SCRIPTA
ITs like hearing a massive oxymorone from their lips
Because they say BUT DARN SURE DO NOT .
THEY learned from men .
DO you reallly think CALIVIN was BIBLICAL at all .
MOST folks learn the bible , OR REALLY what LITTLE THEY DO LEARN
from sola calvin , or sola luther , sola this and sola that and they all claim ITS THE BIBLE .
SO my warnings shall remain .
WE better darn sure know the JESUS we love and obey and trust
IS JESUS
if not IT WONT BE ABLE TO SAVE . bible time . not tomorrow
TODAY . lets get in it and enjoy it and love the lovely truth and exhort one another daily .
Because many are gonna be wailing on the day OF THE LORD
and it wont just be the false religoins , BUT MANY WITHIN EVEN CHRISTENDOM will wail and wail and wail .
FOR many loved another god , another jesus .

You talk a lot but say nothing. Sola scriptura is not found in scripture. Jesus said the bread of life is his flesh and his blood but you don't believe him. I'd like to take you seriously but I genuinely cannot.

 

[amigo de christo]

God will never do that but that's not what happens we cast ourselves into the lake of fire when we don't do the will of the father.

Many are in love and madly in love , with another god and another jesus , another christ which is not christ
but rather that which is of ANTI .
And it darn sure knows how to gather all of the decieved to merge as one
under its love and to find common ground UNDER IT as ONE PEOPLES .
OH yeah satan can say GOD IS LOVE
make no mistake about that . HE can quoate the scripture verbatum .
But i sure would like to say , WE BETTER NOT HEED HIS VERSION because HE WONT LEAD US TO PARADISE
but rather unto the day of peridtion and destruction .
MANY are in the thralls of a very wild and passionate love making session with the wrong god , the wrong jesus
by means of the wrong love version . NOW THAT IS A D ELUSION right there . and it be a STRONG ONE TOO .
and it will merge the false religoins and all of the decieved within christendom to a version of god and of love
THEY ALLL BELIEVE IS OF GOD and IS HIS LOVE . only NO sir
NO SIR , no sir , ITS father BE SATAN , its son be the son of perdtion and its mother THE HARLOT .
And cant no man here or anywhere silence my lips from exposing it all . OH they can kill me
IF GOD allows , but the truth THEY WILL NEVER SILENCE . the sheep march on in and BY JESUS CHRIST .
COUNT the cost , be prepared to lose all for HIS NAME sake . TIMES will get worse in this world .

 

[amigo de christo]

You talk a lot but say nothing. Sola scriptura is not found in scripture. Jesus said the bread of life is his flesh and his blood but you don't believe him. I'd like to take you seriously but I genuinely cannot.

I said BIBLE TIME . but my friend i already know that man will do whatever best pleases him
but i know that SHEEP will do that which PLEASES GOD .
So i will continue in prayer for you . But dont expect me to tone down anything .
ITS EXPOSURE TIME .
this church age has long long long been toning down dangers of sin
AND LOOK AT WHAT THAT BROUGHT UPON THEM . TOTAL LEAVEN , filling them fuller and fuller every day and by the hour .
SO may i remind us again , BIBLE TIME people and learn for you that which most all will no longer teach you .
THE TRUTH . it pains me to see this and to say it , BUT TIS TRUE . THIS HOUSE called chrisetendom
IS GOING DOWN as will all other false religoins with whom it joined .
BUT NOT the sheep . the sheep will forever be with CHRIST JESUS . AND HOW i look forward to HIS DAY .

 

[GodsGrace]

There's a bit more to it. But I will say it never actually says, "Gentiles were going to become part of God's people."

Study up on the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.
It might be of help to you.

Do you think God meant for ONLY the Jews to know about Him and Jesus?

I've already posted twice Jesus saying that He had other sheep that were to come into the fold.
You never explained what He meant by that.

What Jesus meant is that HE is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants.

Abraham was to be the father of MANY NATIONS.
God even changed his name from Abram to Abraham....(meaning father of multitudes, in this case -nations).


Abrahamic Covenant:

Genesis 17:4
4“As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you,
And you will be the father of a multitude of nations.


Davidic Covenant

God promised a continual royal line from David.
Also, the King that was to be an obedient Kind.
this was fulfilled in Jesus, who was from the line of David
and who was an obedient King...thus establishing Jesus as the King over the House of God.
We now understand the House of God to be anyone that believes in Jesus,,,
Prophet
Priest
King

 

[GodsGrace]

you keep attacking the sola scripta .
TELL me my freind have you ever heard me teach any of these stange and odd teachings .
YET I SIMPLY READ THE BIBLE for myself . the problem is NOT in reading the bible for oneself .
The problem is THE WHY they do as they do . THOSE whose love is for the flesh
cannot discern TRUTH and at best can discern only truths BUT NOT THE TRUTH .
Now we cannot heed men who made it seem like one cannot learn that bible for themselves .
You dont see me runing around preaching two gospels
or prospirity gospel or any other thing like that .
GOD put THE LOVE for TRUTH UPON MY HEART and INTO ONE BOOK HE PUT ME TO LEARN .
we must not heed the voices of men who try and behave like a man simply cannot learn lest some wise leader guide him .
THAT Was all about power and control . and sure they did speak some truths
but USED THEM TRUTHS to then promote A LIE .

Agreed Amigo.
Scripture is pretty easy to understand.
Jesus made it easy ON PURPOSE!

But we screw it up somehow.
Seems like we let others mess it up for us.
This is really bothersome to me.

 

[GodsGrace]

You really think this person is sola scripta , ITS OBVIOUS he learns things of men .

LOL
That's exactly what he said !
He learned from another person.

I also hear that we're living in the tribulation period.
I don't know...
I get to eat every day and I'm wearing pretty new shoes.
Doesn't seem like the tribulation to me.
Maybe Jesus wasn't very precise in explaining how bad it would be??
Yeah. Sad stuff.

LOOK at it .
Now if one really did read JUST the bible for themselves
and STOPPED trying to learn it from mens so called denominatial doctrines
WELL THEN , THINGS could truly have sailed so much simplier .
EVEN the poeple who holler sola scripta
AINT SOLA BIBLE ANYTHING . Calivin darn sure wasnt .

Amen to that!

What he and others who have used the phrase should say , IF THEY WERE HONEST ,
is ITS SOLA CALIVIN , ITS SOLA LUTHER , OR etc .
CAUSE IT DARN SURE AINT SOLEY TRUTH FROM THE SCRIPTURES .
THEY LEARNED THIS from men who used the phrase sola scripta .
LOOK at joel osteen , HOLDS the BIBLE UP in his right hand
and makes his speech about THIS IS THE BIBLE
I can DO what it says
FUNNY THING HE SURE DONT DO WHAT IT SAYS NOR TEACHES what IT SAYS .
The problem IS NOT in reading the bible for oneself .
THE PROBLEM is reading IT THROUGH the lusts of the flesh , THROUGH the interpreations of men gone wrong
AND BELEIVE ME that WOULD FOR SURE INCLUDE THE RCC .

The CC got some right and a lot wrong.
Have you ever read the Early Church Fathers?
These would be those that were taught by the Aposltes.
As close as we're going to get to speaking to Jesus.
I found it very helpful.
They mostly agree with what is written in the NT.