Yes, we are given the account and it's clear why He gave the animal voice. I mean you only need to read Romans 8 to answer that question.
Unlocking Genesis 3:1
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Aunty Jane is not willing to even consider the Serpent was created by God...why do you think that is when the record is as clear as it can be?
1. The Serpent in Eden (Genesis 3)
- Genesis 3:1 — “Now the serpent was more cunning than any animal of the field which the Lord God had made.”
- The serpent tempts Eve to disobey God. Revelation later identifies this serpent as Satan:
- Revelation 12:9 — “...that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world…”
2. Satan (The Accuser, Adversary)
- Job 1:6–12 — Satan appears before God and challenges Job’s righteousness.
- Zechariah 3:1–2 — Satan stands to accuse Joshua the high priest, but the Lord rebukes him.
- Matthew 4:1–11 — Satan tempts Jesus in the wilderness.
- 1 Peter 5:8 — “Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.”
- Revelation 12:10 — “The accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.”
3. Fallen Angels / Sons of God
- Genesis 6:1–4 — The “sons of God” take wives from the daughters of men, leading to wickedness and judgment.
- 2 Peter 2:4 — “God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness…”
- Jude 1:6 — “...angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling…”
4. Demons / Unclean Spirits
- Jesus frequently encountered and cast out demons:
- Mark 1:23–26 — A man with an unclean spirit cries out in a synagogue.
- Luke 8:30 — Legion: “Many demons had entered into him.”
- Matthew 12:43–45 — Jesus describes the restlessness of an unclean spirit after being cast out.
- James 2:19 — “Even the demons believe—and shudder!”
5. The “Prince” of Spiritual Opposition
- Daniel 10:13 — “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days...”
- Suggests a spiritual power (demonic prince) opposing God’s messenger.
- Ephesians 6:12 — “For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world...”
6. The Beast, False Prophet, and Dragon (Revelation)
- Revelation 13 — The Beast rises from the sea, given power by the dragon (Satan).
- Revelation 16:13–14 — “Three unclean spirits like frogs” come out of the mouths of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet.
- Revelation 20:10 — “The devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire…”
7. Evil Spirits Sent for Judgment or Testing
- 1 Samuel 16:14 — “Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and a harmful spirit from the Lord tormented him.”
- Judges 9:23 — “God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem…”
- These may not always reflect demonic beings but rather spiritual forces used by God to carry out judgment.
8. Paul’s Teachings on Evil Powers
- 2 Corinthians 4:4 — “The god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers…”
- Colossians 2:15 — Jesus “disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame…”
- 1 Timothy 4:1 — “Some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons.
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@Hiddenthings, my rebuttal refuted only one false statement from your OP and I quoted that statement at the top of my reply. Believe it or not it took that full post just to lay out merely a basic refutation of that one single false statement. And I am not concocting things on the fly just try to refute you at every turn: this is the doctrine which I have received and understood from the scripture, and I have been sharing it online for far longer than I ran into you here less than a month ago.
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Are you really that dense? God created all creatures who share life with us on this planet.
If the devil used one of them to deceive the woman, then that explains it.....it doesn’t say that all serpents are little ‘satans’, now, does it?
It doesn’t say how the serpent spoke to the woman, but she answered him.
Was she talking to herself?
Angels materialised human form, and showed themselves as such.....which demonstrates that spirit beings have that capacity. Even before the flood these angelic “sons of God” materialised human form, but with wicked intentions. They fathered monstrous children who were violent bullies....which caused God to take drastic action. The flood accomplished more than one benefit....it destroyed the freakish children of the rebel angels and forced their wicked father’s back into the spirit realm.....have you never wondered why nothing in the water was threatened....only air breathing land dwellers needed saving on the only space on earth that was protected by God.
It also served as an example of the way things would be when Christ was to return. (Matt 24:37-39)
So you have never personally encountered a demonic attack.....I wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but I have had several. They are real, as I have never suffered from any mental illness. And the encounters were associated with material objects that had come into my home. You really need some education on these things.
Why on earth would Jesus give a herd of swine schizophrenia.....seriously....
Let's take this further Jane...although the narrative you reference seems to suggest that the "spirits" were speaking, it's evident that the voice actually came from the man possessed. This is indicated by the shift in pronouns in Mark 5:7, 9: "What have I to do with you?" and "I adjure you by God, do not torment me," followed by, "My name is Legion, for we are many."
You get this right, Jane?
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I don't think I ought to speak for him. He speaks for himself. I don't find his post unrelated. A bit hard to parse, perhaps.
Hey @dak , are you the same Daq I met long ago at Grace Centered Forums?
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Yes, that's me, old friend, and that was also my previous screen name here before I returned recently, (but was not able to get my old password figured out so I had to start fresh).
What you say here is not clear, as Romans 8 pertains to life in the Spirit, to being led by the Spirit, to being filled with the Spirit and what that looks like practically. Perhaps I miss your point here and thus I await your clarification.
What do you intend to prove by her statements? Should I defer to her reckonings as you do? If the record was so clear, then are you here for how much you already know or to learn? I am here for both, but I only listen to the voice of my Master.
You ask questions you cannot possibly find the answer to because you won't accept the answers that are presented to you for what they are.
Can I ask what deemed very good in your thinking?
"And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day"
The Hebrew word tob conveys the idea of something "beautiful" or "pleasing," often in a way that brings honor or credit. This was the condition of creation before the Fall, declared by God Himself as "very good."
Why would you speak to half the chapter and not the whole?
Romans 8:6 "For to be carnally (σάρξ) minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace."
What did the Serpent introduce in the Garden?
@Aunty Jane this is the insight I was looking from you but you could never provide.
Well the OP has proved that God created an animal and gave the carnal mind voice.
Why?
I've shown you Romans 8 and verse 6 for context.
I've asked why God made the Serpent which was more cunning than the other animals He made
I've shown you His need to test their obedience in a similar way to the Children of Israel in the Wilderness and Christ in his temptation.
If you have something to add by all means reveal it.
I speak of the Essence.
The serpent introduced the notion of opposition to the will of God. Death. The carnal mind.
God created all things and the devil, the adversary, the opponent, the enemy, which is the carnal mind, the voice of the flesh. I ask because you speak from it.
All of God's promises are True. I do not doubt Him. But I doubt you and His Spirit within you for what you say and how you say it. And if you would come to teach in His name and I disagree with you, then I will contend. If I lie, may I be put to everlasting shame. But if I speak and write Truth, then His name be praised because all of His promises are True.
Maybe an IQ test is required?
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You’re referring to the Serpent, Jane, and the real issue is that you’re trying to impose a view that simply isn’t supported by the text. The continued inability to address the key questions about Genesis 3:1 is becoming a hard watch from this end.
Wow Jane, are you serious?
"And the serpent said unto the woman" Gen 3:4
Reading your comments I sense you would like to rewrite this section to fit your own exegesis.
Off on a tangent and leaving Genesis 3 in your wake.
Because the illness was sent from Legion to the swine - can you read Jane? Or is an IQ test in order for you as well?
Check out verse 10 Jane
Mark 5:10 And he begged him earnestly not to send them out of the country.
Again, confused state of schizophrenia!
Do you actually believe Jesus sent evil ethereal spirits into pigs? These spirits can't move to other people? come on Jane get with reality!
These do not display the mind of the Master. Nor did her goading, to be fair, but you two contend like children arguing over the milk of the Word.
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Those who believe the ventriloquist-like tale of a fallen angel controlling the serpent as a puppet are undoubtedly speaking from that mind, that much is clear.
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So far, your argument has been unconvincing because it doesn't align with the Word. Your use of Romans 8 was one-sided, you know this and your understanding of Genesis 3:1 now appears uncertain.
Let's see.
