Free Will is the Veil

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The Lord tears it from top to bottom, thus rending spirit from soul, uplifting the heart that seeks Truth.

There is only one choice, whether to trust God. Apart from this, free will is an illusion, a deception, and a lie. It was the original lie, the original sin, the original lapse of judgement which incurred all judgement and yet all by His glorious design to demonstrate all His love, His mercy, His power, His perfection, His mastery of all that was, is, and ever will be.

Do you trust His power? If so, select "True." If what you select to be True is false, so shall you be, and so shall the falsehood of your choices be burnt away in the Judgement leaving only the light He gave you in this world according to His plan. Who are we to object? What man can stand to His face in opposition of His will? Who can choose against the Almighty?

You have no freedom but what the Lord gives you. You have nothing but that which comes from the hand of God. Your every breath is His, as are the winds which carry all His breath about. In the beginning was the Word. His words. His expressions of power and magnificence as He intended from eternity past, each of which endure as He does, without beginning or end.

If He says He has all power, and we say that we love Him, why do we fear? Fear is nothing but the giving up of the reinforcements that come from reason, and since He is the Reason, then in Him we have all reinforcement and thus no fear at all of anything because we know His goodness and love! There is no freedom where there is the unhealthy fear born of guilt and shame because these are death.

So if you say you are free, yet death is on your shoulders, then you lie. Your will is drawn down by the death which declares your power to influence the will and power of God with your 'choices.' You must seek the deepest truth in each of your own words before you may hope to hear His truth in His words.

The veil He tore upon Christ relinquishing His Spirit removed a barrier between the Temple of God and those He wished to enter. He tears veils today, but this comes after tremendous sacrifice. What can you hope to sacrifice while clinging so tightly to your belief that you have a choice in these matters?

You have a conscience and the breath of God remains within you for you to read this now. You know what He wants you to do but do not, this is why you see no further.

 

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There is only one choice, whether to trust God. Apart from this, free will is an illusion, a deception, and a lie.

The veil He tore upon Christ relinquishing His Spirit removed a barrier between the Temple of God and those He wished to enter. He tears veils today, but this comes after tremendous sacrifice. What can you hope to sacrifice while clinging so tightly to your belief that you have a choice in these matters?

Agree with much you say…

Certainly the Righteous Choice of man, IS to choose God…
Yet… the choice “is” mans to Freely “choose God, or Not”

No doubt, God Already knows (before the man) What the man shall choose.

Choose you……………..Josh 24:15
Your Election of God…1 Thes. 1:4
…………………………………2 Pet 1:10

Jesus’ “prepared” (by God) BODY ONLY was offered unto Death, For a man to become made; soul saved.
Gods Seed, is Offered a man, to become made, spirit born again.
Jesus’ soul & spirit (and heavenly Body) was Not sacrificed unto death.
…………………………………….Heb 10:5


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Stumpmaster]

You have a conscience and the breath of God remains within you for you to read this now. You know what He wants you to do but do not, this is why you see no further.

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I positively agree and I couldn't be happier about it.

 

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Yet… the choice “is” mans to Freely “choose God, or Not”

In every moment, the choice is True or false.

 

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Addressing a Christian Incantation

Its common type is the wistful thought that a command from a man would bestow the presence of the Holy Spirit within. As if by uttering "please come into my heart, Jesus" you are immediately imbued with the Righteous Mind, with eyes that avert by nature what is inappropriate to gaze upon, with the Fountain of Truth that flows eternally from within, with the overflowing joy that king David wrote books about, with the Wisdom his son king Solomon wrote his books about, with the full understanding of the present fulfillment of every promise He has made in and about His Word being completely and entirely true!

If you suffer evil, you do not have Him! I will suffer great evil because I have Him. But I know His goodness, and I will trust Him through every encounter He brings me in this life, every treachery I incur for my claims of His life within, every drop of blood I will shed will be by His glorious command. And I trust Him. He will carry me through, and I know this because He is within me, and His rod and His staff comfort me, and His light guides me, and He wants me to tell everyone that He is REAL.

 

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The Lord tears it from top to bottom, thus rending spirit from soul, uplifting the heart that seeks Truth.

There is only one choice, whether to trust God. Apart from this, free will is an illusion, a deception, and a lie. It was the original lie, the original sin, the original lapse of judgement which incurred all judgement and yet all by His glorious design to demonstrate all His love, His mercy, His power, His perfection, His mastery of all that was, is, and ever will be.

Do you trust His power? If so, select "True." If what you select to be True is false, so shall you be, and so shall the falsehood of your choices be burnt away in the Judgement leaving only the light He gave you in this world according to His plan. Who are we to object? What man can stand to His face in opposition of His will? Who can choose against the Almighty?

You have no freedom but what the Lord gives you. You have nothing but that which comes from the hand of God. Your every breath is His, as are the winds which carry all His breath about. In the beginning was the Word. His words. His expressions of power and magnificence as He intended from eternity past, each of which endure as He does, without beginning or end.

If He says He has all power, and we say that we love Him, why do we fear? Fear is nothing but the giving up of the reinforcements that come from reason, and since He is the Reason, then in Him we have all reinforcement and thus no fear at all of anything because we know His goodness and love! There is no freedom where there is the unhealthy fear born of guilt and shame because these are death.

So if you say you are free, yet death is on your shoulders, then you lie. Your will is drawn down by the death which declares your power to influence the will and power of God with your 'choices.' You must seek the deepest truth in each of your own words before you may hope to hear His truth in His words.

The veil He tore upon Christ relinquishing His Spirit removed a barrier between the Temple of God and those He wished to enter. He tears veils today, but this comes after tremendous sacrifice. What can you hope to sacrifice while clinging so tightly to your belief that you have a choice in these matters?

You have a conscience and the breath of God remains within you for you to read this now. You know what He wants you to do but do not, this is why you see no further.

The Lord takes nothing from us. If free will is not present then by definition we are not acting out of love. If Jesus was not free to reject the cross then what he did was not for love of us.

No one can have greater love than to lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13

"...to lay down..." means you have to choose it. That's free will.

 

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The Lord takes nothing from us. If free will is not present then by definition we are not acting out of love. If Jesus was not free to reject the cross then what he did was not for love of us.

No one can have greater love than to lay down his life for his friends. John 15:13

"...to lay down..." means you have to choose it. That's free will.

Thank you for your input!

What is it to love? Jesus issued the new commandment in two words, nearly synonymous in their depth of meaning, to love and obey.

How do we love God but by obedience to Him?
Does our disobedience confound Him?
Is He dismayed by our failures?
Do we thwart His plan?

I contend that obedience to God, loving God, is believing what He says. He said in His Scriptures that He has all power. That He is all powerful. That everything is in His right hand. Since He is perfect, this suggests to me that His plan must also be. A perfect plan cannot be thwarted, and the One who carries out a perfect plan is not confounded, dismayed, thwarted, or delayed.

So unless you mean to tell me that in each of us lies the capacity to alter the will of the Almighty by some complicity He depends upon from us, I think you are incorrect regarding the freedom of human will.

My defenses for this stance go far deeper still. Consider your life.

How much influence did you have over your birth?
What about your family and other relationships?
How much control did you have over the greater portion of your youth?
At what point did you seize control from God that your will has come to determine the future?

This is the Certainty, that Jesus Christ is the All Powerful, the Omnipresent, the Omniscient, the Omnipotent, glorious and unimaginably magnificent God of all things and everyone everywhere at all times without anything occurring apart from His precise and perfect intent.

 

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Thank you for your input!

What is it to love? Jesus issued the new commandment in two words, nearly synonymous in their depth of meaning, to love and obey.

How do we love God but by obedience to Him?
Does our disobedience confound Him?
Is He dismayed by our failures?
Do we thwart His plan?

I contend that obedience to God, loving God, is believing what He says. He said in His Scriptures that He has all power. That He is all powerful. That everything is in His right hand. Since He is perfect, this suggests to me that His plan must also be. A perfect plan cannot be thwarted, and the One who carries out a perfect plan is not confounded, dismayed, thwarted, or delayed.

So unless you mean to tell me that in each of us lies the capacity to alter the will of the Almighty by some complicity He depends upon from us, I think you are incorrect regarding the freedom of human will.

My defenses for this stance go far deeper still. Consider your life.

How much influence did you have over your birth?
What about your family and other relationships?
How much control did you have over the greater portion of your youth?
At what point did you seize control from God that your will has come to determine the future?

This is the Certainty, that Jesus Christ is the All Powerful, the Omnipresent, the Omniscient, the Omnipotent, glorious and unimaginably magnificent God of all things and everyone everywhere at all times without anything occurring apart from His precise and perfect intent.

What is it to love? It was either Aquinas or Augustine that said, "Love is to will the good of the other". What is the will? The will is our words and our actions directed toward the good of the other. In other words Jesus freely chose to go to the cross for our good. That's love. Love is a free act of the will for the good of others. It's rather simple actually

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man that this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

 

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What is it to love? It was either Aquinas or Augustine that said, "Love is to will the good of the other". What is the will? The will is our words and our actions directed toward the good of the other. In other words Jesus freely chose to go to the cross for our good. That's love. Love is a free act of the will for the good of others. It's rather simple actually

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man that this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Love is a Being. Love is an Essence. Love is a Spirit. Love is a Person. Love is a God and He walked among us by the name of Jesus Christ.

Love is the perfection of virtue, the trust that casts out all fear, the meaning that imbues all things with purpose, the obedience that comes from a passion He planted, tended, sprouted, and perfected. Love is powerful and all power and overcomes anything and everything.

Love, as it is related to us, was made complete when He gave us these words on the cross, "it is finished."

I love my Master, the magnificent Jesus Christ, worthy of all praise and glory and admiration, and my greatest desire is the uplifting of His holy name. His love lives within me and His power animates my bones, He rejuvenated my soul from the border of hades and I dedicate myself to Him fully by the grace of His provision for me.

Because of Him, I know Love.

 

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I love to be His optimal human, the best version of me precisely as He intended. I love to seek His words, ever new, chasing Him as innocent love through the safest and most beautiful forest, engulfed in His splendor.

His meaning touches the deepest places, it shakes foundations, it shatters all that stands upon falsehood. His voice is the commencement of magnificence, crafting many mighty works of incomprehensible magnitude from nothing but His own creative force. His Word opened all to the opportunity for the indwelling presence of His divinity by way of propitiatory sacrifice, that He might fulfill completely the requirements of His own Holy Law and permit restoration of relationship between His righteousness and His crowning creation of man who bears His image.

We can speak to Him, He hears every word we say. But if we seek Him as He commands us to, He will speak to us. His promises are true and fulfilled.

This is how we serve Him best; we seek Him every moment by evaluating our every word for truth and certainty. If we say we know but do not, we lie. If we say we are but are not, we lie. If we say we will but will not, we lie. So many do not realize how many lies they utter continually, even in jest.

"Why, if it weren't for bad memory, I'd have no memory at all!" said a man in passing who held more than one college degree.
"Oh I'm fine," said a woman suppressing screams.
"I love you, Jesus," say so very very many who do not obey His commands.

If we are to contact His perfection, we must make ourselves presentable. The only way to do this is to sweep out all the lies and guilt and shame! There is only one way to do that, by confession of sins in pursuit of the glory of Jesus Christ.

Do you think you have Him if you maintain a lie?
Do you feel His presence when you indulge where guilt will surely follow?
Do you seek His will when you dwell on your own concerns?

You must read His word and learn that you could see the incredible treasures He offers us! But you must study and work to discover the meaning of His promises! Because if you do not know the Truth, that His promises are presently fulfilled, then you do not have Him, who is the Truth!

If you do not understand what I mean, it is because you do not understand words of Certainty, as these words differ greatly from the words of the world, which are uncertain because they are false.

 

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This is the hang up for many. They do not trust His words. If He says He is perfect, then His work is perfect as well and would not fail. So if man fell from grace, it was by Divine intent that the voice of the flesh, the opposition the Master designed for Himself, was made to be so alluring in its iniquitous temptations.

This is inconceivable in the heart that does not trust His words. How could a good God inflict evil? It says in His word that He does so in several instances, from slaying a king of Israel He did not like by way of lying spirits to killing 70,000 by disease to punish king David's fornication to even Jesus saying in a parable in Luke that He will have those who would not have Him as their king brought and executed in front of Him.

Who are we to question Him?
What of creation can counsel the Creator?
What rights do we have but what the Creator gives us?

I will not be a petulant child to the Master, complaining bitterly for the good things He gives me. I quite prefer to be the most useful tool I possibly can be in the service of the Highest Authority and Power. I am delighted for His presence in my life and honored to serve Him in any capacity.

 

[Stumpmaster]

There is only one choice, whether to trust God. Apart from this, free will is an illusion, a deception, and a lie.

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Your illustrations are delightful and meaningful! Thank you again for sharing.

It perfectly demonstrates a youthful perspective of life and reality, a reckless freedom to indulge in base logic and straightforward answers as though they are all that exists and no meaning could ever be hidden. There is an innocence to the naivete, as one smiles gently at the child engaging in pretend play with tools of utility they could not begin to conceive at their level of development.

You share a reflection of childhood and a wonderful point. I appreciate your contributions!

It is even better, I see, as your input correlates with your signature, which reads:
"All that is knowable is always known by God. It is impossible for nothing to exist because if it did then it would be something."

Such is wisdom without the Spirit, the fragility of words which give the impression of meaning but without any substance.

Knowledge and knowing are human limitations unsuited to Deity. The Creator is outside and above all limitation and confinement. The statement is nonsensical for failure to acknowledge the utter supremacy of God. He knows all because He is all and He is manifest perfection, He knows what cannot be known and defines all things that are. The latter portion of the witticism betrays equally limited portrayal of Divinity, as if to deny the meaning of complete absence by conflating it with anything at all.

The Certainty of the Master is such that His words and His ways have unlimited depth and the most profound and unsearchable meanings, the makings of self-evident truth and the kind of logic that stirs the soul which seeks it.

 

[Stumpmaster]

Your illustrations are delightful and meaningful! Thank you again for sharing.

It perfectly demonstrates a youthful perspective of life and reality, a reckless freedom to indulge in base logic and straightforward answers as though they are all that exists and no meaning could ever be hidden. There is an innocence to the naivete, as one smiles gently at the child engaging in pretend play with tools of utility they could not begin to conceive at their level of development.

You share a reflection of childhood and a wonderful point. I appreciate your contributions!

It is even better, I see, as your input correlates with your signature, which reads:
"All that is knowable is always known by God. It is impossible for nothing to exist because if it did then it would be something."

Such is wisdom without the Spirit, the fragility of words which give the impression of meaning but without any substance.

Knowledge and knowing are human limitations unsuited to Deity. The Creator is outside and above all limitation and confinement. The statement is nonsensical for failure to acknowledge the utter supremacy of God. He knows all because He is all and He is manifest perfection, He knows what cannot be known and defines all things that are. The latter portion of the witticism betrays equally limited portrayal of Divinity, as if to deny the meaning of complete absence by conflating it with anything at all.

The Certainty of the Master is such that His words and His ways have unlimited depth and the most profound and unsearchable meanings, the makings of self-evident truth and the kind of logic that stirs the soul which seeks it.

In other words, waffle is both a noun and a verb. The former often comes topped with whipped cream, the latter with rhetorical extreme.

That's how freewill and predestination work without being mutually exclusive.

 

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The veil He tore upon Christ relinquishing His Spirit removed a barrier between the Temple of God and those He wished to enter.

Hebrews 10:20 “...by a new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, his flesh.

What was achieved "in" his flesh that opened this way?

 

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In other words, waffle is both a noun and a verb. The former often comes topped with whipped cream, the latter with rhetorical extreme.

That's how freewill and predestination work without being mutually exclusive.

I enjoy your presence and I appreciate your input. Your perspective has value and I do not discount it.

You believe my language excessive? My rhetoric is so extreme that you equate me to what is essentially a breakfast cake and instability? I completely understand. This way is foreign to you. That's why I am here! To expound on what I found!

My whole adult life until last month I bore a bitterness, a rage, a resentment, a foul attitude, a hatred, and a yearning. The pain I carried for decades dragged me down to intense suffering just for being alive. The burdens I bore would have crushed me years ago but for the strength of the smallest shred of love in which I could be certain.

Words were my only escape. Words were the only component of my heart that had not failed me, because I had so many of His. I was raised in Him and attended His services and heard His messages time and time again. I thought I believed them and thought I knew them but I knew I was miserable as well, and thus I was torn.

If I had His promises, I should not suffer! That's what I believed. But I wanted Him and the fulfillment of His promises so desperately!

I studied extensively. I looked up every unfamiliar word I encountered in the oldest dictionary I could access for the most accurate portrayal of the word definition I could find. If the translation was too recent, I would consult multiple others. I would revisit phrases frequently when new understanding came to me.

I made connections between Biblical records and those of archaeology. I noticed patterns in the interpretations of archaeological studies, the regions of activity and commerce, trade routes, geological timetables, and periods of history as delineated by those who have performed extensive research in the field.

I sought other religions minimally, largely disinterested in what seemed like inferior offers even when I had lost faith in the glorious offers of the Truth. If I couldn't have my God, I would have none, and I would face the afterlife with the boldness of unfettered hatred for everything in full anticipation of welcome destruction.

My friend, I only scratch the surface. I am an intense man. I have led an intense life. I speak with intense words because the words of truth are words of power and the power of which I speak is very real. It is by His power I live and breathe, and by His power I declare His glory, and by His power I serve Him to the best of the ability He has given me with which to do so.

Have you ever sought so desperately for something that you would burn everything you own to the ground with yourself in the midst of the flame for fury of lacking what you desire? Then you have not sought God as I have. And this is no condemnation of you. I was given profound compulsion for Him, and I love it. I love Him and what He has done for me.

And I will not be quiet about it. I will seize every opportunity to express His effusive love and His glorious language. Your presence here is a gift to me!

 

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Hebrews 10:20 “...by a new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, his flesh.

What was achieved "in" his flesh that opened this way?

Maybe the Apostles understood a great truth that few today understand?

Ephesians 2:14 “For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility…”

 

[Hiddenthings]

...Maybe free will is not the Curtain?

 

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Hebrews 10:20 “...by a new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, his flesh.

What was achieved "in" his flesh that opened this way?

So good to see you, friend! I'm delighted by your wonderful and sincere question.

Answered most concisely, the achievement of Christ in the flesh was the optimal, most ideal, most perfect fulfillment of God's plan for a man on this earth. He is our role model, our example, our demonstration of the way the Father desires to work in His people.

Note How Jesus emphasized at all times that His words were not, in fact, from Him, but that every word He spoke was a direct message spoken through Him in perfect unity with the Father, whom He credited for all things. It is for His example that I seek to do the same.

Jesus was not born from the seed of Adam, He was directly from the Father into the womb of a pure daughter of man. He did not bear our curse. But He lived in perfect innocence to spread the Father's truth with power, He lived in perfect obedience for the same purpose, and in the perfection of the Father's glorious plan, He laid down His life and embraced the shedding of His own blood that we might have salvation in Him.

This is why He donned the flesh, to fulfill His plan, to achieve His purpose, to glorify and magnify His holiness. By rectifying the faults of men through His perfection, He uplifts the fallen who long for Him. His sacrifice eliminated the barrier between the hearts of men and His own.