Is it possible to lose salvation?

[nedsk]

Go ahead and quote a part of what ive taught you, and show the members here how its 'not correct".
You could not do this if you had 100 more lifetimes. @nedsk
You cant even explain Salvation , unless you corrupt it with water baptism, and try to reduce it to human works, which actually denies The Cross., Mr Mary Cult.
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In the earliest days of the church water baptism was taught as was the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. The drivel you espouse here was still 1500 years away when the Catholic church was teaching these things. You become less and less impressive with each post.

 

[Behold]

In the earliest days of the church water baptism was taught as was the real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.

This is MaryCult theology, you are rehearsing.

Here is what Paul said.

"CHRIST, sent me not to water baptise".

Why would Paul say that if Water Baptism is required for Salvation?

Its because Paul's Gospel, is now the difinitive Gospel, and it has no Water Baptism in it.

The MaryCult is built on Peter and Mary, and so, they read where Peter wrote......"repent and be water baptized"......in the very beginning of Acts... long before Paul showed up with THE GOSPEL ....and ignore that Peter stopped teaching this, once He learned Paul's Gospel.
Peter Himself said, in 1 Peter... that water baptism is a "FIGURE"...... = SYMBOLIC.

 

[nedsk]

This is MaryCult theology, you are rehearsing.

Here is what Paul said.

"CHRIST, sent me not to water baptise".

Why would Paul say that if Water Baptism is required for Salvation?

Its because Paul's Gospel, is now the difinitive Gospel, and it has no Water Baptism in it.

The MaryCult is built on Peter and Mary, and so, they read where Peter wrote......"repent and be water baptized"......in the very beginning of Acts... long before Paul showed up with THE GOSPEL ....and ignore that Peter stopped teaching this, once He learned Paul's Gospel.
Peter Himself said, in 1 Peter... that water baptism is a "FIGURE"...... = SYMBOLIC.

1 Peter say baptism that now saves us. Oops. Your heresies are destructive and divisive

 

[GodsGrace]

I'm not discussing another member im discussing the misuse of scripture.

Of course they are.
Again you confuse how people use the sacraments with whether or not they are valid. You really need to do some separation there. Jesus clearly gave the apsotles the authority to bind and loose sin. How people abuse it is not relevant to its validity but again people throw the baby out with the bath water.

Indulgences are not binding and losing.
Where are they in scripture?
I'm not throwing out any babies.
I'm stating facts.

Francis did what God intended him to do.

Ya think?
Giving communion to remarrieds?
Banning the Latin Mass?
Blessing SS COUPLES?
Abolishing the church's position on the death penalty?
The SYNOD? Incl lay persons?

Did you know that the Pope takes an oath promising not to change any doctrine?
Are you one of those that thinks Francis didn't change any doctrine?
Think again.

Again many things happen with God that we don't like. So what? It's not relevant.

What Francis did is not relevant?
OK

Jesus said he would build HIS church on the rock of Peter and only one church can even begin to show a direct line of succession to Peter. We can DEFINITELY end it here.

I agree on the succession.
OK
Ended.

 

[nedsk]

Indulgences are not binding and losing.
Where are they in scripture?
I'm not throwing out any babies.
I'm stating facts.


Ya think?
Giving communion to remarrieds?
Banning the Latin Mass?
Blessing SS COUPLES?
Abolishing the church's position on the death penalty?
The SYNOD? Incl lay persons?

Did you know that the Pope takes an oath promising not to change any doctrine?
Are you one of those that thinks Francis didn't change any doctrine?
Think again.

What Francis did is not relevant?
OK

I agree on the succession.
OK
Ended.

I didn't say they were I was referring to confession

Yeah Francis was put there for a purpose. What it was I don't know but I have to trust and have faith that Jesus said he would guide the church in the truth. The church may eventually be smaller but it will be stronger than ever.

Popes can't change dogma. Not the same as doctrine but A for effort. I get your point. There's a thing called the remnant church. Just one long he didn't ban the latin mass. My parish and my diocese has latin mass and the they just consecrated a new parish that only does extraordinary order. So don't believe things that aren't true. Bishops are the boss of their dioceses and the pope has little sway but he can remove a bishop but that creates its own problems.

Well if you agree with succession than believing anything else but what that church teaches is fool hearty.

 

[complete]

Then why would a believer need to work of their salvation with fear and trembling as Paul stated? Do you also believe free will is stripped from us when someone is truly born from above?

'Wherefore, my beloved,
.. as ye have always obeyed,
.... not as in my presence only,
...... but now much more in my absence,
........ work out your own salvation
.......... with fear and trembling.
............ For it is God which worketh in you
.............. both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
.. That ye may be blameless and harmless,
...... the sons of God, without rebuke,
........ in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation,
.......... among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Holding forth the word of life;
.. that I may rejoice in the day of Christ,
.... that I have not run in vain,
...... neither laboured in vain.'
(Php 2:12-16)

Hello @nedsk,

The words, 'For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure', puts everything in it's right perspective. For it emphasises the truth that we are God's workmanship, and as such the words 'fear' and 'trembling' are appropriate, for it is Almighty God with Whom we have to do. It is He Who is working in us, to will and to do of His good pleasure. Paul is in prison at this point in time, as 'The Lord's Prisoner'. It is indeed a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Paul tells the Philippian believers to do all things without murmurings and disputing, and it would do us good to take on board that instruction and act on it, for here on the forum there is no sign of brotherly love, where is the obedience to the will of the Lord Jesus Christ that we love one another as He has loved us?

The object is that we may be, 'blameless and harmless, the sons of God without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; holding forth the word of life' Is this what we are doing? Or are we too busy name calling and abusing our brothers and sisters in Christ, who maybe do not see things as we do?

We are to work out in our lives, what God has worked in, by walking as the sons of God in the midst of a perverse society which knows not God, These Philippians are believers, they are saved by God's grace, through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and His all-sufficient sacrifice for sin. So we are to live accordingly, that we may shine as lights in the world, not throwing a shadow upon the glory of Christ by our behaviour towards one another, as we are.

Forgive one another.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello @GodsGrace,

Someone who has been truly born from above, is 'in' Christ, God Himself has placed Him there (1 Cor. 1:30-31) and is walking in newness of life before the Father, in spirit.

The question of the thread is, 'Is it possible to lose salvation? I believe that if God has begun a work in the believer, then He will continue to do so until the day of Christ, for He is faithful that promised.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

These statements sound very nice complete.
Problem is that it is NOT what Jesus taught.

IF we are walking in the newness of life,,,then we will always be safe in the arms of Jesus.

And, yes, if God has begun a work in us...He will continue in that work
IF we allow Him to.

Do you believe we lose our free will after salvation?

Paul taught that if we deny God,,,
He will deny us.

2 Timothy 2:12
... If we deny Him, He also will deny us;


Jesus taught that we must continue to abide in Him

John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


JESUS is saying that a branch IN HIM (a saved person) COULD be taken away.


Stating that a person can never fall away is teaching what the NT does not teach...
it's teaching that no matter how someone behaves...they can still be saved.
This gives a false sense of security.

We can be secure IF we continue to abide (live) in Christ.
IF we obey Him.


John 3:36
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

 

[GodsGrace]

I didn't say they were I was referring to confession

Sorry.

Yeah Francis was put there for a purpose. What it was I don't know but I have to trust and have faith that Jesus said he would guide the church in the truth. The church may eventually be smaller but it will be stronger than ever.

Yes. I don't know either.
I agree about a smaller but stronger church.

Popes can't change dogma. Not the same as doctrine but A for effort. I get your point.

They cannot change doctrine either.
It would create a problem...
was the church right BEFORE or AFTER.

This is one of the reasons adult baptism never takes hold.
In the early church doctrine was being worked out.
It really cannot be changed now.

There's a thing called the remnant church. Just one long he didn't ban the latin mass. My parish and my diocese has latin mass and the they just consecrated a new parish that only does extraordinary order.

The Latin Mass was still being celebrated here too in some places...but almost in hiding.
I don't know for sure the belief of this Pope....it seems like he might not be against it.
It used to be that if a couple of persons asked for a Latin Mass, the priest had to do it...
Not anymore.

So don't believe things that aren't true. Bishops are the boss of their dioceses and the pope has little sway but he can remove a bishop but that creates its own problems.

Agreed.
But he sets the tone and encourages new idea which may, or may not, follow church teaching. (previous teaching).

Well if you agree with succession than believing anything else but what that church teaches is fool hearty.

I agree with a lot of church teachings.
Not all.
Also, the church changed after Nicea and even before that.

 

[nedsk]

'Wherefore, my beloved,
.. as ye have always obeyed,
.... not as in my presence only,
...... but now much more in my absence,
........ work out your own salvation
.......... with fear and trembling.
............ For it is God which worketh in you
.............. both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
.. That ye may be blameless and harmless,
...... the sons of God, without rebuke,
........ in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation,
.......... among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Holding forth the word of life;
.. that I may rejoice in the day of Christ,
.... that I have not run in vain,
...... neither laboured in vain.'
(Php 2:12-16)

Hello @nedsk,

The words, 'For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure', puts everything in it's right perspective. For it emphasises the truth that we are God's workmanship, and as such the words 'fear' and 'trembling' are appropriate, for it is Almighty God with Whom we have to do. It is He Who is working in us, to will and to do of His good pleasure. Paul is in prison at this point in time, as 'The Lord's Prisoner'. It is indeed a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Paul tells the Philippian believers to do all things without murmurings and disputing, and it would do us good to take on board that instruction and act on it, for here on the forum there is no sign of brotherly love, where is the obedience to the will of the Lord Jesus Christ that we love one another as He has loved us?

The object is that we may be, 'blameless and harmless, the sons of God without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; holding forth the word of life' Is this what we are doing? Or are we too busy name calling and abusing our brothers and sisters in Christ, who maybe do not see things as we do?

We are to work out in our lives, what God has worked in, by walking as the sons of God in the midst of a perverse society which knows not God, These Philippians are believers, they are saved by God's grace, through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and His all-sufficient sacrifice for sin. So we are to live accordingly, that we may shine as lights in the world, not throwing a shadow upon the glory of Christ by our behaviour towards one another, as we are.

Forgive one another.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Faith alone is not sufficient. Scripture is clear in that point.

 

[complete]

These statements sound very nice complete.
Problem is that it is NOT what Jesus taught.

IF we are walking in the newness of life,,,then we will always be safe in the arms of Jesus.

And, yes, if God has begun a work in us...He will continue in that work
IF we allow Him to.

Do you believe we lose our free will after salvation?

Paul taught that if we deny God,,,
He will deny us.

2 Timothy 2:12
... If we deny Him, He also will deny us;


Jesus taught that we must continue to abide in Him

John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;


JESUS is saying that a branch IN HIM (a saved person) COULD be taken away.


Stating that a person can never fall away is teaching what the NT does not teach...
it's teaching that no matter how someone behaves...they can still be saved.
This gives a false sense of security.

We can be secure IF we continue to abide (live) in Christ.
IF we obey Him.


John 3:36
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Hello @God'sGrace,

Thank you for your response. I cannot deny that it is possible for someone to fall away: but I do believe by personal experience as well as by the word of God, that if God has begun a work in you, He will continue to do it until the day of Christ. I was twelve years of age when I heard the gospel of the grace of God preached in my local town hall, and faith came through hearing. I believed God, and it was counted unto me for righteousness.

I had little understanding, but God had begun a work in me, and is continuing to do so, and will do, until the day of Christ. (Php. 1:10) I am now 77 years of age.

'God is faithful, Who will do it.'

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Behold]

1 Peter say baptism that now saves us. Oops. Your heresies are destructive and divisive

You misquoted the verse to try to prove the MaryCult lie. (ooops).

That's not very smart., or honest.

The verse says.......

"""""""The like FIGURE whereunto even baptism doth also now save us."""

A Figure is "symbolic"......not literal.

"""""""used to indicate a departure from a literal use of words; = metaphorically".

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello @God'sGrace,

Thank you for your response. I cannot deny that it is possible for someone to fall away: but I do believe by personal experience as well as by the word of God, that if God has begun a work in you, He will continue to do it until the day of Christ. I was twelve years of age when I heard the gospel of the grace of God preached in my local town hall, and faith came through hearing. I believed God, and it was counted unto me for righteousness.

I had little understanding, but God had begun a work in me, and is continuing to do so, and will do, until the day of Christ. (Php. 1:10) I am now 77 years of age.

'God is faithful, Who will do it.'

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I'm happy for you complete.
But our personal experience may or may not reflect what the NT teaches.
YOU stayed the course. You did not fall away..and, indeed, most Christians do not.
But the possibility exists and to deny it is to deny what Jesus taught.
God bless you abundantly !

 

[Behold]

But the possibility exists and to deny it is to deny what Jesus taught.

If you fall away into perdition, its because you're not a real Christian.
You have no "root"

""""Some seed fell and they believed for a while..........""""'

Now, there is a "great falling away", and that is where we find that many end times "christians" have no understanding of the Grace of God and believe that they have to keep themselves saved.
They dont trust in Christ to keep them saved....they are "fallen from Grace".

And there is a very sad situation where a person can't be brought back to repentance.......and that is to again know for certain that they need to be saved, and Jesus is the Savior.
So, that is to fall away, = from """" the knowledge of the Truth.""""
And example......is.........someone who is married to a Christian, and goes to church with them for 40 yrs...and for the first 20 yrs, the Holy Spirit could reach their heart...and they KNEW to trust in Christ all those years, and then that inner voice of the Spirit each Sunday become more and more quiet, and now they can't hear it ever again and they are going to Hell because they can no longer be led of the Holy Spirit to trust in Christ.
They have waited too long and their heart has become so hardened that they will never again be able to believe.

 

[GodsGrace]

If you fall away into perdition, its because you're not a real Christian.
You have no "root"

""""Some seed fell and they believed for a while..........""""'

Is a believer saved?
Jesus said they BELIEVE for a while and then FALL AWAY.

Now, there is a "great falling away", and that is where we find that many end times "christians" have no understanding of the Grace of God and believe that they have to keep themselves saved.
They dont trust in Christ to keep them saved....they are "fallen from Grace".

And there is a very sad situation where a person can't be brought back to repentance.......

Who said a person cannot be brought back to salvation?

Have you not read this:

1 Timothy 4:16
16Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching; persevere in these things, for as you do this you will ensure salvation both for yourself and for those who hear you.


Paul did not teach what YOU teach....

Persevere in WHAT things?

1 Timothy 4:7-8
7But have nothing to do with worldly fables fit only for old women. On the other hand, discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness;
8for bodily discipline is only of little profit, but godliness is profitable for all things, since it holds promise for the present life and also for the life to come.


And, a person can be brought back from their fall:


James 5:19
19My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, 20let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death ...


Jesus confirms what James taught in the Parable of the Prodigal Son.


Luke 15:24
24for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again;


The son came to life AGAIN...this means the son was
saved
lost
saved AGAIN.

and that is to again know for certain that they need to be saved, and Jesus is the Savior.
So, that is to fall away, = from """" the knowledge of the Truth.""""
And example......is.........someone who is married to a Christian, and goes to church with them for 40 yrs...and for the first 20 yrs, the Holy Spirit could reach their heart...and they KNEW to trust in Christ all those years, and then that inner voice of the Spirit each Sunday become more and more quiet, and now they can't hear it ever again and they are going to Hell because they can no longer be led of the Holy Spirit to trust in Christ.
They have waited too long and their heart has become so hardened that they will never again be able to believe.

Some of what you state above is biblical and true.

You're other two statements are not correct,,,which are:
1. A person cannot fall away from the faith.
2. If they fall away (which is a concession BTW) they cannot be brought back.

I've offered scripture to support that a person can fall away...
and IF they do,,,,they can be brought back to salvation.

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is MaryCult theology, you are rehearsing.

Here is what Paul said.

"CHRIST, sent me not to water baptise".

Why would Paul say that if Water Baptism is required for Salvation?

Its because Paul's Gospel, is now the difinitive Gospel, and it has no Water Baptism in it.

The MaryCult is built on Peter and Mary, and so, they read where Peter wrote......"repent and be water baptized"......in the very beginning of Acts... long before Paul showed up with THE GOSPEL ....and ignore that Peter stopped teaching this, once He learned Paul's Gospel.
Peter Himself said, in 1 Peter... that water baptism is a "FIGURE"...... = SYMBOLIC.

1 Peter say baptism that now saves us. Oops. Your heresies are destructive and divisive

Don't wate yout time with this guy (Behold). He is an ignorant Catholic-hater of the FIRST degree.
He rejects ALL Scripture that dels with Water Baptism, the Eucharist, etc.

He makes up his OWN doctrines like every other Lone Ranger . . .

 

[complete]

These statements sound very nice complete.​

Problem is that it is NOT what Jesus taught.​

​

IF we are walking in the newness of life,,,then we will always be safe in the arms of Jesus.​

Hello @GodsGrace,

* The believer, by God's reckoning, has died with Christ, and is now walking before God in newness of life, in the spirit.

And, yes, if God has begun a work in us...He will continue in that work​

IF we allow Him to.​

* With respect, you fail to acknowledge the power of God in this regard.

Do you believe we lose our free will after salvation?​

​

Paul taught that if we deny God,,,​

He will deny us.​

2 Timothy 2:12​

... If we deny Him, He also will deny us;​

'Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes,
that they may also obtain the salvation
which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
It is a faithful saying:
For if we be dead with Him, we shall also live with Him:
If we suffer, we shall also reign with Him:
if we deny Him, He also will deny us:
If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful:
He cannot deny himself.
(2Ti 2:10-13)

* The believer in the Lord Jesus Christ, by God's reckoning, has died with Christ: and if we be dead with Him we shall also live with Him. That is assured. What can be lost is not our salvation, or the gift of God which is eternal life, but the honour of reigning with Him; it is a loss of reward, not of life in Christ Jesus. For that is secure, it will not be denied us. Praise God!

Jesus taught that we must continue to abide in Him​

​

John 15:2​

2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; ​

​

​

JESUS is saying that a branch IN HIM (a saved person) COULD be taken away.​

'I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit He taketh away:
and every branch that beareth fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in Me, and I in you.
As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye, except ye abide in M
(Joh 15:1-4)

* This is related to fruit bearing, not to salvation. Pruning, not extinction.

Stating that a person can never fall away is teaching what the NT does not teach...​

it's teaching that no matter how someone behaves...they can still be saved.​

This gives a false sense of security.​

​

We can be secure IF we continue to abide (live) in Christ.​

IF we obey Him.​

* Yes, it is possible for a person to fall away in the flesh, but you are not taking into account the power of God, and the wondrous plan of salvation which is in Christ Jesus. There are some who will be saved as by fire, but saved none the less, they will still live, but not reign.

(Joh 15:1)​

​

John 3:36​

36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”​

* This is a misquote, What is actually said in John 3:36 is:-

'He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life:
and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;
but the wrath of God abideth on him.'
(Joh 3:36)

In Christ Jesus
by the grace of God
Chris

 

[complete]

I'm happy for you complete.​

But our personal experience may or may not reflect what the NT teaches.​

YOU stayed the course. You did not fall away..and, indeed, most Christians do not.​

But the possibility exists and to deny it is to deny what Jesus taught.​

God bless you abundantly !​

Hello @GodsGrace,

It is not for you to place doubt upon the security of my position in Christ. My 'staying the course' as you say has nothing to do with the surety of my position in Christ. My love grew cold on more than one occasion, and I drifted away, sadly, to my own loss; but God remained faithful, and drew me back to Himself. So, I do not deny the ability of the believer to fall away, but the possibility of God ever failing to keep His promise of life in Christ Jesus.

God has blessed me already, @GodsGrace, with every blessing that is spiritual (Eph. 1). These blessings are mine 'in Christ Jesus' and will ultimately be enjoyed in heavenly place in Him Who is my hope.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[complete]

'Wherefore, my beloved,
.. as ye have always obeyed,
.... not as in my presence only,
...... but now much more in my absence,
........ work out your own salvation
.......... with fear and trembling.
............ For it is God which worketh in you
.............. both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
.. That ye may be blameless and harmless,
...... the sons of God, without rebuke,
........ in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation,
.......... among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Holding forth the word of life;
.. that I may rejoice in the day of Christ,
.... that I have not run in vain,
...... neither laboured in vain.'
(Php 2:12-16)

Hello @nedsk,

The words, 'For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure', puts everything in it's right perspective. For it emphasises the truth that we are God's workmanship, and as such the words 'fear' and 'trembling' are appropriate, for it is Almighty God with Whom we have to do. It is He Who is working in us, to will and to do of His good pleasure. Paul is in prison at this point in time, as 'The Lord's Prisoner'. It is indeed a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Paul tells the Philippian believers to do all things without murmurings and disputing, and it would do us good to take on board that instruction and act on it, for here on the forum there is no sign of brotherly love, where is the obedience to the will of the Lord Jesus Christ that we love one another as He has loved us?

The object is that we may be, 'blameless and harmless, the sons of God without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world; holding forth the word of life' Is this what we are doing? Or are we too busy name calling and abusing our brothers and sisters in Christ, who maybe do not see things as we do?

We are to work out in our lives, what God has worked in, by walking as the sons of God in the midst of a perverse society which knows not God, These Philippians are believers, they are saved by God's grace, through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and His all-sufficient sacrifice for sin. So we are to live accordingly, that we may shine as lights in the world, not throwing a shadow upon the glory of Christ by our behaviour towards one another, as we are.

Forgive one another.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Faith alone is not sufficient. Scripture is clear in that point.
[/quote]
Hello @nedsk,

Would you please explain what you mean by this? That faith alone is not sufficient? Not sufficient for what exactly?

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[complete]

Faith alone is not sufficient. Scripture is clear in that point.

Hello @nedsk, (re:- your response (above) to reply #1966)

Will you please explain what faith is not sufficient for, and give the Scriptures you refer to.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello @GodsGrace,

It is not for you to place doubt upon the security of my position in Christ.

WHEN did I place any doubt on your security with Christ?
I don't refer to a person's relationship to God which only THEY and GOD can know.

What I said is this:
Our personal experience does not take the place of doctrinal issues regarding what the NT teaches.

I may believe, personally, that God is a woman.
That does not mean the bible teaches that God is a woman.

My 'staying the course' as you say has nothing to do with the surety of my position in Christ. My love grew cold on more than one occasion, and I drifted away, sadly, to my own loss; but God remained faithful, and drew me back to Himself. So, I do not deny the ability of the believer to fall away, but the possibility of God ever failing to keep His promise of life in Christ Jesus.

If Paul teaches that we could fall away.....
is it not the BELIEVER that is falling away?

Two questions.
1. Who is falling away?
2. WHAT are they falling away from?

Some will FALL AWAY from what?.....THE FAITH.

1 Timothy 4:1
1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith

DEPART FROM THE FAITH.


Hebrews 3:12
12Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.

FALL AWAY FROM GOD.


James 5.19-20
19My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back,
20let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

READ CAREFULLY. A PERSON STRAYS FROM THE TRUTH.
THE ONE WHO BRINGS THE SINNER BACK FROM THE ERROR OF HIS WAY WILL SAVE THAT SINNER'S SOUL FROM DEATH.

God has blessed me already, @GodsGrace, with every blessing that is spiritual (Eph. 1). These blessings are mine 'in Christ Jesus' and will ultimately be enjoyed in heavenly place in Him Who is my hope.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Happy to hear it.
But it's the NT that makes doctrine...
not you're personal experience.