WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

[Muna]

Peter commanded the Gentiles to be baptized in water

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

[Fred J]

As with circumcision, water baptism was a Jewish ritual. It was, out with the old and in with the new. It's why Jesus never water baptized anyone.

Can you please show us by the Law of Moses 'water baptism' was a Jewish ritual in the Old Testament?

Jesus did not baptize because He was proclaiming the Gospel, yet His disciples with Him did the baptism.

 

[Muna]

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

The Pharisees specifically rejected the water baptism of John

Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves,
being not baptized of him.

 

[Fred J]

1Cr 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered

This is not water baptism, but a 'metaphor' of sowing the seed of the Kingdom and watering more knowledge of the Kingdom.

 

[Fred J]

Acts 8:36 See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Philip watered too

Not watered but rather going into the water.

 

[doctrox]

Thanks for all the responses to the melee. I gotta sleep, so I will BBL, tomorrow, to reply. In the meantime, pray about desiring nothing but the truth.

 

[Muna]

This is not water baptism, but a 'metaphor' of sowing the seed of the Kingdom and watering more knowledge of the Kingdom.

Yeah but I thought it was cute, just seemed to fit perfectly in here

 

[Muna]

Not watered but rather going into the water.

He got a little soggy too didnt he?

 

[Fred J]

He got a little soggy too didnt he?

Apparently yes, but people who truly believed tend to forget they're wet, for they'll be rejoicing.

 

[Muna]

We can see Jesus forward as it pertains to baptism here

Mark 1:9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

John 4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

Jesus said,

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

And here when Philip preached the gospel to the eunuch and it reads

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

So what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Acts 8:37 And Philip said,

If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

He was to believe first as Jesus said,

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Peter with the Gentiles asks

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days

So they had the Holy Ghost and he commanded they be baptized with water

And John the baptist too was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb (Luke 1:15)

But the first thing John says to Jesus when Jesus come out to be batized by him was

Matt 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

And he already had the Holy Ghost, but I am not getting the feeling John is speaking of fire there

 

[Muna]

I do not see it as an issue of works for self justification but of justifying God (as the verse shows)

Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God,
being baptized with the baptism of John.

 

[Fred J]

We can see Jesus forward as it pertains to baptism here

Mark 1:9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John,

John 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,)

John 4:3 He left Judaea, and departed again into Galilee.

Jesus said,

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

And here when Philip preached the gospel to the eunuch and it reads

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

So what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Acts 8:37 And Philip said,

If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

He was to believe first as Jesus said,

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Peter with the Gentiles asks

Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days

So they had the Holy Ghost and he commanded they be baptized with water

And John the baptist too was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb (Luke 1:15)

But the first thing John says to Jesus when Jesus come out to be batized by him was

Matt 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

Therefore 'water baptism' is vital for salvation

1 Peter 3:
21. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward GOD,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

And he already had the Holy Ghost, but I am not getting the feeling John is speaking of fire there

i believe the 'fire' he's speaking about took place on the day of Pentecost, 'fiery tongue'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord

 

[Fred J]

I do not see it as an issue of works for self justification but of justifying God (as the verse shows)

Luke 7:29 And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God,
being baptized with the baptism of John.

'Let GOD be true, but every man a liar'; as it is written,

 

[Muna]

Therefore 'water baptism' is vital for salvation

1 Peter 3:
21. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward GOD,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

i believe the 'fire' he's speaking about took place on the day of Pentecost, 'fiery tongue'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord

You don't think its speaking of the fiery trial which is to try you that Peter speaks about?

After Jesus was baptized by John (water) and then anointed by the Holy Spirit he also said, "I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how distressed I am until it is completed" but Peter speaks of being partakers of Christ's sufferings and calls the same a fiery trial.

 

[Fred J]

You don't think its speaking of the fiery trial which is to try you that Peter speaks about?

After Jesus was baptized by John (water) and then anointed by the Holy Spirit he also said, "I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how distressed I am until it is completed" but Peter speaks of being partakers of Christ's sufferings and calls the same a fiery trial.

Can you please quote the scripture that speaks about the 'fire', thank you?

 

[Muna]

Can you please quote the scripture that speaks about the 'fire', thank you?

Yes, its these which I am referring to

The fiery trial which is to try you

1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

As ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings

1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Even here, we have the trial of our faith mentioned, tried by fire

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ

 

[Muna]

Although I am not sure can link the above to the following, for example

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Because I would think this is the context of fire in the following verse

Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

 

[Muna]

Okay, I thought about it for a second, I think I got it, and can work it in two ways


Fiery trial (try it again)


The fiery trial which is to try you

1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

As ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings

1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Even here, we have the trial of our faith mentioned, tried by fire

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ

Heres where this can link in to here and the other post (in respect to the wheat)

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

Christ here (Who is the power of God 1 Cr 1:24) says

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

These are they who are kept by "the power of God" (through faith)

1Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

Just repeating this verse to show where it was pulled from again

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

Hold on, let me get the one that mentions the wheat and the fire and add a few of these in

 

[Muna]

Although I am not sure can link the above to the following, for example

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

Because I would think this is the context of fire in the following verse

Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Startring here

Matt 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

And the context of that fire is in the following verse, speaks of the wheat also

Matt 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Simon would be sifted as wheat by Satan

Luke 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

Jesus says,

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

This is a picture of the trial of ones faith, which is by fire, as one is kept by the power of God (Christ) through the same

1Peter 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:6 Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations:

Again, just repeating this verse to show where it was pulled from again

1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

 

[Muna]

It's 3:19 AM I am going to hit the sack, see you later today