Is it possible to lose salvation?

[shepherdsword]

1 Samuel 28:15-16

Surely you aren't using a case where a witch conjured up Sameul as an example that we should entreat the saints or angels in heaven to pray for us? I guess I shouldn't be surprised with all of the abominable practices the RCC promotes as biblical.

 

[nedsk]

Surely you are using a case where a witch conjured up Sameul as an example?

but Samuel is not a witch or an evil spirit and Saul sought his intercession though but he was denied by Samuel

 

[BreadOfLife]

Intercession is only biblical when you pray on the behalf of others. What is happening there is a form of idolaltry.

HUH??
Intercession by its very definition is doing something on behalf of another.

ASKING somebody to pray FOR you is a request for intercession.
HOW is this “idolatry”??

 

[BreadOfLife]

We have no command or even implication that we should entreat the saints or angels in heaven to pray for us.

Tell me – WHEN did the saints in Heaven get kicked out of the Body of Christ?

James 5:16 says that the prayer of a righteous person is very powerful. The saints in Heaven are FULLY righteous because they have been made perfect in Christ.

Rom. 3:10 states that NOBODY is righteous because ALL have sinned.

Rev. 12:27 says that nothing imperfect can enter Heaven – so everybody in Heaven is PERFECT and perfectly RIGHTEOUS.

Therefore –
James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

 

[Behold]

. You know who the king of liars is don't you?

You 2 seem to be in competion.

 

[shepherdsword]

but Samuel is not a witch or an evil spirit and Saul sought his intercession though but he was denied by Samuel

It was not Samuel. It was a familiar spirit conjured by a witch. Surely you don't live in a world where a witch can invoke and raise a dead prophet?

 

[nedsk]

You 2 seem to be in competion.

And you're alone at the head of the heretic class. You actually think you're a "teacher"

It was not Samuel. It was a familiar spirit conjured by a witch. Surely you don't live in a world where a witch can invoke and raise a dead prophet?

LMBO

 

[shepherdsword]

HUH??
Intercession by its very definition is doing something on behalf of another.

ASKING somebody to pray FOR you is a request for intercession.
HOW is this “idolatry”??

I agree, intercession is praying on behalf of another. However, invoking such prayers from angels or dead saints is unbiblical. We have a mediator and great high priest who makes intercession for us. He is the only one in heaven to do so.

Heb 7:25-26 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

We also have the Spirit that makes intercession for us:

Ro 8:26-27 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

You will not find a single place in scripture that says angels or dead saints intercede for us. Your position is based on an misinterpretation of this passage:

Rv 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.

The angel just offered up the prayers of the saints. He didn't intercede. The saints mentioned here are those who are still on the earth. Every believer who belongs to Jesus is a saint. Despite what the RCC says about canonization.

 

[pandaflower]

Intercession is only biblical when you pray on the behalf of others. What is happening there is a form of idolaltry.

And Necromancy.

Have you entered a Catholic church? Idols abound.
The Vatican included.

 

[pandaflower]

It was not Samuel. It was a familiar spirit conjured by a witch. Surely you don't live in a world where a witch can invoke and raise a dead prophet?

Did that happen in a world described in that scripture?

 

[Behold]

And you're alone at the head of the heretic class. You actually think you're a "teacher"

A MaryCult fanatic, is always going to be taught that a Real Christian isn't telling you the truth.
This is how the MaryCult keeps you from finding out that you are in their MaryCult.

Its really that simple.

 

[GodsGrace]

Among other things, what's the proof Mary even hears you, Scripture please.

This has always been a problem for me.
God is omni-present...
Praying to those that have gone before us would make them omni-present.

 

[GodsGrace]

A MaryCult fanatic, is always going to be taught that a Real Christian isn't telling you the truth.
This is how the MaryCult keeps you from finding out that you are in their MaryCult.

Its really that simple.

Catholics that are believers....
are "Real Christians".

It's really that simple.

 

[ProDeo]

Catholics that are believers....
are "Real Christians".

It's really that simple.

I believe that as well, God looks at the heart and what's in there, not our (beloved) doctrines.

I once held a poll on my first Bible forum that no longer exists, after a couple of years I noticed a pattern, there were about 10 subjects (doctrines) that kept coming back and back in an endless loop. I collected those 10, created a yes or no poll. About 20-25 people responded and ONLY TWO PEOPLE gave the same 10 answers. Go figure...

If salvation would depend on doctrine most of us are toasted.

 

[Pet]

I don't think anyone is blessed enough to be perfect.
Anyone who thinks he never sins doesn't know what sin is.

As to being sanctified ENTIRELY....
it's a process....
Entire sanctification is what might be called glorification.
That happens when I die.

Where is the victory, if Christians wait until they die?
May as well die as soon as they're born again ??
Lord Jesus, forgive believers for denying Your divine power. they do not know what they do.

 

[Pet]

Catholics that are believers....
are "Real Christians".

It's really that simple.

Believers of Who?

 

[nedsk]

A MaryCult fanatic, is always going to be taught that a Real Christian isn't telling you the truth.
This is how the MaryCult keeps you from finding out that you are in their MaryCult.

Its really that simple.

Whatever you say pope behold

 

[nedsk]

This has always been a problem for me.
God is omni-present...
Praying to those that have gone before us would make them omni-present.

Won't we "live" in heaven?

 

[nedsk]

Believers of Who?

This is the buffoonery that leads me conclude this is willful ignorance

 

[David Lamb]

The Bible tells us that the saints in Heaven absolutely CAN see and hear us:
Hebrews 12:1
Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of WITENESSES, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us while keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus, the leader and perfecter of faith.

So, because we are surrounded by these witnesses in heaven, we must behave accordingly. They see and hear - NOT on their own, but through Christ.
EVERY ability they have in their glorifies state is through Christ.

In the Parable of the Rich Man - we see that Abraham was able to communicate with the Rich Man in Hades (Luke 16:19-31).
At the Transfiguration - we see that Moses and Elijah appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him (Matt.17:1–8, Mark 9:2–13, Luke 9:28–36)

But there is absolutely nothing in Hebrews 12:1 about praying to the cloud of witnesses. All prayer in the bible (with the exception of reports of prayers to false gods, such as, "O Baal, here us!") are addressed to God.