WHAT IS REPENTANCE?

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[Matthew 21:32 KJV] 32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen [it], repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

What is to repent to have eternal life. Is it to turn from your sins? Is it to follow Jesus? Is it to ask Jesus into your heart and life? Is it to meet Jesus?

Looking at Matthew 21:32 above, we can see what scripture means to repent to be justified unto eternal life. Jesus was speaking to the rulers of Israel, who did not believe the baptism of John. Jesus told them the publicans and harlots believed John, but they did not. The rulers did not repent and believe John.

To repent is to go from unbelief to belief.

[Mark 1:15 KJV] 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus said to repent and believe the gospel. Repentance is to believe.
 
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There is human repentance, and there is Godly repentance that leads to Salvation.

Human repentance, is to be sorry that you got caught, or to be sorry for what you did and so you'll try to do better next time.

Godly repentance is a change of heart, whereby you turn from unbelief to Faith in Christ.
 

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There is human repentance, and there is Godly repentance that leads to Salvation.

Human repentance, is to be sorry that you got caught, or to be sorry for what you did and so you'll try to do better next time.

Godly repentance is a change of heart, whereby you turn from unbelief to Faith in Christ.
[2Co 7:10 KJV] 10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

I assume you have this verse in mind
Salvation is to be delivered......salvation has different uses in scripture
In the context of the above verse we see that repentance in this case to change your mind in committing sinful behaviour
We should stop sinning and be saved from sin
 

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[2Co 7:10 KJV] 10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

The bible says a "contrite heart" the Lord (God) wont reject.

That is not....being sorry for sin......that is being sorry for what you are........as you realize yourself as compared to Holy Jesus and Righteous God.

Salvation is to be delivered...

Eternal Salvation is "delivered" By God, just as soon as your "faith is counted by God as (Christ's inputed) Righteousness".

In the context of the above verse we see that repentance in this case to change your mind in committing sinful behaviour

God's requirement for giving a SINNER, His Salvation, has nothing to do with them tryng to be good.

God's Salvation is given to sinners...>>"while we were yet sinners"......so, any theology that tries to teach that you must clean up, and be good, and get a better haircut.... and then God will save you, is HERESY.......its FALSE.

"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"...........not repenters of their sin.

See, its the fact that people are SINNERS, is what Qualifies them for "" God's Gift of Salvaiton"
 

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We should stop sinning and be saved from sin

What does a sinner have to offer God, so that God will save them?

A.) Their sin.

So, its theological baloney to teach that "we must stop and be good, and if we will do it, God will have us".

Listen Reader......if you as an unbeliever stopped sinning.....then what about your entire lifetime of sin.
Where did that go?
Its ON YOU.
Understand???? ...... So you are Responsible......and you cant get rid of that..... = but what you can do, is bring all your sin to Jesus and let Him die for it., and then God will have you....and keep you, and give you a brand new heart as you become a "new creation".. born again.

Thats the FREE GIFT of Salvation.
Don't leave earth without it.
 

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The bible says a "contrite heart" the Lord (God) wont reject.
What does it mean to have a “contrite heart”? I look for Bible examples, and two that come to mind are Manasseh and Saul of Tarsus. Both were living lives alienated from the true God, yet both were members of God’s own nation.

Manasseh seduced Judah and Jerusalem “to do worse than the nations that Jehovah had annihilated from before the sons of Israel.” (2 Kings 21:2-9) Though Jehovah sent prophets, these were not heeded. Manasseh was also guilty of shedding innocent blood in great quantity, (2 Kings 21:10-16) which, according to the literature of the Jewish rabbis, included that of the prophet Isaiah, who they say was sawed apart at Manasseh’s command......if we can even comprehend such evil!?

Manasseh was punished when the king of Assyria took him captive to Babylon, one of the Assyrian monarch’s royal cities. There in chains in a dark prison, he repented, humbled himself, and prayed to God, who heard his request for favor and restored him to the kingship in Jerusalem. Thereafter Manasseh did all he could to reverse his behavior and compensate for all the evil he had perpetrated.

God reads hearts and his repentance was genuine....he was forgiven for all his misdeeds, but a contrite heart made sure that he did not lapse into sin again. Repentance produces works that demonstrate it.

Saul of Tarsus too had a record and reputation for persecuting the Christians, having presided over the murder of Stephen.
But God saw that his zeal was genuine, only misdirected, so an encounter with the risen Lord on the road to Damascus saw a complete change of heart in this once zealous Pharisee, who, by his own admission was “an insolent man”, and he then became a faithful champion for the truth, contributing more to Scripture than most of the 12 apostles. His apostleship was unique as his assignment was as ”an apostle to the nations”. He was the only educated apostle and was used extensively to preach to people of the nations...especially the educated Greek philosophers, who would have laughed at the uneducated apostles, but with whom Paul could converse on the same level. To Jews he was an apostate! A traitor!

The before and after lifestyles of both, tell the story of what genuine repentance means....their former course of life was abandoned, and a new life of faith was sought and practiced. Both became the opposite personalities of what they were before....something the Bible advocates. (Eph 4:22-24)
That is not....being sorry for sin......that is being sorry for what you are........as you realize yourself as compared to Holy Jesus and Righteous God.
Yes, but we are all born sinners....and yet we can be “declared righteous” in God’s eyes provided we make a concerted effort not to sin...doing what we know is wrong willfully, and unrepentantly, will not merit forgiveness.
Eternal Salvation is "delivered" By God, just as soon as your "faith is counted by God as (Christ's inputed) Righteousness".
No, sorry, eternal salvation is not granted to anyone until they attain their reward. This only comes after their physical death and resurrection. One must remain faithful until their death to receive the crown of life. Only those who “endure to the end” will be saved. (Matt 24:13) A life in Christ is a commitment to hold to the faith until our last breath, whether we attain eternal life in heaven as a ”king/priest” in the heavenly Kingdom, (Rev 20:6) or as a subject of that Kingdom on earth. (Rev 21:2-4)
God's requirement for giving a SINNER, His Salvation, has nothing to do with them tryng to be good.
Sorry, that is a flat out lie. Our salvation has everything to do with “trying to be good” because that is how we demonstrate our faith....”faith without works is dead”. Works are needed if we want to emulate those in the Bible who are held up as good examples. Paul never stopped “trying to be good”.....neither should we.
God's Salvation is given to sinners...>>"while we were yet sinners"......so, any theology that tries to teach that you must clean up, and be good, and get a better haircut.... and then God will save you, is HERESY.......its FALSE.
Any theology that teaches you that you can keep sinning and still be saved is false. The Bible dictates the standards taught by Jesus and this applies in all areas of life, including how we groom and conduct ourselves. Paul reiterated those standards in his teachings.

When Paul wrote in Romans 5:8 that “while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us”, he was not suggesting that anyone remains a sinner, but that Jesus didn’t wait for us to stop sinning in our ignorance before he offered his life for us. Manasseh and Paul are both examples of that fact. Christ died in anticipation that his death would save as many as accepted him, and who brought their lives into harmony with God’s requirements.
Yes, God has requirements that we must meet in order to qualify for the gift of everlasting life.
"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"...........not repenters of their sin.
This is very twisted....Jesus came to save those who were sinning, but who were willing to change their lives and practices to please their Creator. If they sinned before they knew him, they would not sin deliberately afterwards without consequences. If they lapsed into sin, for any reason, we have the example of the prodigal son to show us what is needed for the Father to welcome us back home. The sinner had to come back to his Father, contrite and repentant......the father did not chase after him, nor did he plead with him not to go, but allowed him to suffer the consequences of his own actions. Experience is a good teacher, but Jesus is a better one. He teaches us how to avoid sin in the first place. Our actions are a choice...being born with a propensity to sin is not.
See, its the fact that people are SINNERS, is what Qualifies them for "" God's Gift of Salvaiton"
Again a very twisted interpretation. The fact that people are sinners is not their choice, as they are born in sinful flesh through no fault of their own. That is the sin Jesus came to remove....but the sin that we choose to commit is not forgivable, unless we put in the effort to lead a life where we choose not to do what God forbids. Being a sinner qualifies us for nothing if we have the attitude that we can’t help it, so why bother trying? It sounds as if this is what you are promoting....
 
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Yes, but we are all born sinners....and yet we can be “declared righteous” in God’s eyes provided we make a concerted effort not to sin..

If God declared you righteous because of your behavior, then Jesus died for nothing, on The Cross.

That is what you are teaching, and its worse then a Lie, its a Cross Denying Cult theology.

So, you seem to not understand that your SIN, is ON YOU>.....your entire lifetime of sin is on you, and if you stopped sinning until you died, then you still have a lifetime of previous sinning that came before.
Are you so unbelievably naive, to believe that you can come to God with your lifetime of sin, unforgiven,.... if you decided to stop, 5 months ago? or 15 yrs ago?

You dont understand Salvation.
The Cross of Christ is unknown to you, according to your Posts.
You are the victim of your cult's theology.

No, sorry, eternal salvation is not granted

Jesus said that if you believe In Him, He will "give you eternal life".
So, you can't believe in Him after you are dead......So this mean you have to give God your faith in Christ while you are breathing, and then you will receive Eternal Life, who IS JESUS.

This is why Jesus told you that He is the "resurrection and THE LIFE".
This is why JOHN told you, that "you can know you have ETERNAL LIFE, and this life is in His SON".

Jesus is Eternal Life. John 14:6

Sorry, that is a flat out lie. Our salvation has everything to do with “trying to be good”

God's Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.

So....You can't "Do that"..... you have to Receive what Jesus has completed.......which is the sacrifice of Himself to God for YOUR SINS, @Aunty Jane .
And Jesus told you that if you will not have this, then you will "die in your sins" and there is no remedy for this after you die.
This is why Paul told you....>"now is the day of Salvation, NOW is the accepted time".

"All who call on the Name of Jesus, believing, shall be SAVED".......from This...... = John 3:36

Any theology that teaches you that you can keep sinning and still be saved is false.

Im not aware of a "christian" theology that teaches that you can keep sinning and be saved.

However, Paul teaches that when there is no LAW, then the Law can't define a Christian's deeds or them, as anything at all.

= """"Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness, to/for, everyone who BELIEVES".""".

A.) "Believes" = a sinner's "Faith (in Christ) is counted by GOD, as (Christ's imputed) Righteousness" unto them.


This is very twisted....Jesus came to save those who were sinning, but who were willing to change their lives and practices to please their Creator.

Salvation that God offeres is "while we were yet sinners".

"To them who worketh NOT.......but believeth on God, who Justifies the UNGODLY... their FAITH is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness"..... Imputed to them.


The fact that people are sinners is not their choice,

Liars enjoy telling people that the sin they chose to do recently, is not their fault.
Try not to be one of those..
 

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If God declared you righteous because of your behavior, then Jesus died for nothing, on The Cross.
Being “declared” righteous is not the same as “being” righteous....we all fall short, and Christ died in the knowledge that many sinners would come to him, both before and after he paid for their sins.

In the resurrection, all the dead will rise, both “the righteous and the unrighteous” will come back to life...the righteous to life and the unrighteous to a period of judgment, many having died in total ignorance of
the true God and the sin atoning sacrifice of his son. Would God hold them accountable for being born into the wrong religion, or in the wrong nation, so that they never got that information?

Those in the past either died in faith, or they died without it...they either knew God or they didn’t.
Christ came to make sure that death in ignorance did not separate anyone from God.

God does “not desire any to be destroyed, but that all will attain to repentance”....he is a God of justice and love, not revenge and punishment. But he does not force himself on anyone. He gives us all the choice of wanting to serve him because he is our Sovereign ruler, or they can take on their own sovereignty by giving it to evil men.....and false religion.
That is what you are teaching, and its worse then a Lie, its a Cross Denying Cult theology.

So, you seem to not understand that your SIN, is ON YOU>.....your entire lifetime of sin is on you, and if you stopped sinning until you died, then you still have a lifetime of previous sinning that came before.
Are you so unbelievably naive, to believe that you can come to God with your lifetime of sin, unforgiven,.... if you decided to stop, 5 months ago? or 15 yrs ago?
It seem that you believe that God’s forgiveness has limits that you impose. When Christ died he took away “the sin of the world” with him......that is our entire lifetime of sin. But unless we alter our sinful course, we do not qualify for that forgiveness. The evil doer who was hung alongside Jesus had a last minute change of heart...what did Jesus promise him?.....not heaven but “paradise”. That was a decision he made at the last moment. That is how keen Jesus was to offer salvation, no matter how long a person has been sinning.
You dont understand Salvation.
The Cross of Christ is unknown to you, according to your Posts.
You are the victim of your cult's theology.
Whose theology are you a victim of? Are you the leader of your own cult?
Jesus said that if you believe In Him, He will "give you eternal life".
So, you can't believe in Him after you are dead......So this mean you have to give God your faith in Christ while you are breathing, and then you will receive Eternal Life, who IS JESUS.
Jesus died for the living and the dead.....those who have died in ignorance, and those who lived and died in pre-Christian times, without being able to come into contact with Christ’s disciples, so as to learn the truth about the savior, won’t lose out on life because they were born in the wrong nation or religion. God gives people back their life, so that they breathe again, and can come to know him. That is what the resurrection is for.
This is why Jesus told you that He is the "resurrection and THE LIFE".
This is why JOHN told you, that "you can know you have ETERNAL LIFE, and this life is in His SON".

Jesus is Eternal Life. John 14:6
Yes, but not the way you suggest.
God's Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.

So....You can't "Do that"..... you have to Receive what Jesus has completed.......which is the sacrifice of Himself to God for YOUR SINS, @Aunty Jane .
And Jesus told you that if you will not have this, then you will "die in your sins" and there is no remedy for this after you die.
This is why Paul told you....>"now is the day of Salvation, NOW is the accepted time".
It is always the acceptable time to become a Christian....but no one could do so until he came to offer his life for us. He was a promise in the OT, but a reality from the first century onward.

Today is all any of us have....and because this is “the time of the end”, it is a judgment period, where no human will be able to claim ignorance.....”just like the days of Noah”......all found outside of God’s means of salvation back then, were lost....with no way to change course. It sets a precedent. (Matt 24:37-39)
"All who call on the Name of Jesus, believing, shall be SAVED".......from This...... = John 3:36
Actually it is “all who call on the name of Yahweh will be saved”. Paul quoted Joel2:32, in Rom 10:13, which reads in the OT....”And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls.” (ESV)
We can see that “the LORD” there is Yahweh. Capital letters indicate the divine name.

Jesus’ name is also tied to salvation because it was his life that paid the ransom demanded by God’s perfect justice. A course that he willingly took because of his own love for the human race, and the fact that Adam’s children suffered for what he did.

Im not aware of a "christian" theology that teaches that you can keep sinning and be saved.

However, Paul teaches that when there is no LAW, then the Law can't define a Christian's deeds or them, as anything at all.
= """"Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness, to/for, everyone who BELIEVES".""".

A.) "Believes" = a sinner's "Faith (in Christ) is counted by GOD, as (Christ's imputed) Righteousness" unto them.
Are you suggesting that because “Christ ended the law”, that there was no longer any rules to obey? Wow!

The old Mosaic Law with its written code and sacrificial requirements was done away with by Christ’s sacrifice, but the law of the Christ remained in the two greatest Commandments....’to love God with one’s whole being and to love our neighbor as ourselves’. Jesus said that the whole of the Law and the Prophets was based on those two, which never became redundant.

Jesus’ teachings were clearly in accord with the law of Moses in its moral code and the necessity to put obedience before sacrifice, which for Christians, was a sacrifice of anything in life that was more important than obedience to God. God is never to be given second place in our life.
Salvation that God offeres is "while we were yet sinners".

"To them who worketh NOT.......but believeth on God, who Justifies the UNGODLY... their FAITH is counted as (Christ's) Righteousness"..... Imputed to them.
Good grief, can you not quote Scripture in a language understood by all English speakers!?
The KJV is a dinosaur in today’s world, and it speaks in an outdated language that most new Bible students would not understand. It’s time to move on.....The KJV is not a gift from God....it is rife with errors, and there are many good translations out there....as well as the resources to find the accurate translation of original language words. This is what Bible study is.....deeper than any one translation.

The way you interpret Scripture is a disgrace to the God whom Jesus served. He will continue in his service to God along with his elect, until all redeemed humanity is reconciled to God through their administration of his Kingdom rule. Only after the thousand year reign of Christ and his elect, can we get back what Adam lost for us....everlasting life on a cleansed earth, in paradise conditions....with no sickness, ageing, or death to spoil God’s creation. That is what we lost. That is what Christ’s sacrifice gives us back.
Liars enjoy telling people that the sin they chose to do recently, is not their fault.
Try not to be one of those..
You are very free with your accusations against others, but totally oblivious to your own misinterpretation of Scripture.
The sin we inherited from Adam is not our fault....it’s an awful inheritance passed on through all generations of the human race.....like an inherited genetic disease that is incurable.....it leads only to death.....this is what Christ’s sacrifice accomplishes.....the elimination of the sinful inclinations that are in our flesh. We are never to stop resisting sin.
What cannot be forgiven is wilful and deliberate sin, committed in full knowledge and in defiance of God’s laws, and for which we are not genuinely repentant.
Anyone who teaches otherwise, will be accountable, as will all who follow them.
 
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Being “declared” righteous is not the same as “being” righteous....

I didnt state that God declared anyone righteous.
You are very confused.


In the resurrection, all the dead will rise, both “the righteous and the unrighteous” will come back to life..

The "unrighteous dead" are those who never were born again on earth.
They never receive forgiveness for their sin, and "died in their sins" as the unrighteous dead.

They now face this forever

John 3:36

God does “not desire any to be destroyed, but that all will attain to repentance”..

John 3:36 is not going away., its eternal wrath.


It seem that you believe that God’s forgiveness has limits that you impose.

God's forgivness is found on THe Cross of Christ.
The Sacrifice of Jesus is God's Forgiveness, and it has to be received by : Faith, before you die.

"Justification by Faith".

= Paul's Gospel

Whose theology are you a victim of? Are you the leader of your own cult?

Paul's theology is all i teach.

A carnal JW would of course classify this as a "cult".

, and those who lived and died in pre-Christian times,

Old Testament saints were redeemed by The Lord, according to His Sacrifice.


It is always the acceptable time to become a Christian....

Dont confuse JW with "Christian".
God doesn't.


Actually it is “all who call on the name of Yahweh will be saved”.

When Moses asked God....>"what is your name"......God didnt respond with "YAHWEH"

He responded......>"I Am that i Am".

Jesus said the same of Himself, to the Pharisees.

Are you suggesting that because “Christ ended the law”, that there was no longer any rules to obey? Wow!

What you posted is your reinvented mind garbled interpretation of what i wrote.

Notice....The Holy Spirit inside the Christian, shows the believer the rules.
He works with the conscience.
So, even if the Believers had never read or heard of the 10 commandments, or ever seen a bible.... the HS will still guide them into all Truth, and away from error, or unacceptable behavior.


T Jesus said that the whole of the Law and the Prophets was based on those two, which never became redundant.

The main function of the Law is to reveal you as a sinner you are, so that you may go to Jesus for forgiveness and Salvation before you die.
If you wait, then you "die in your sins" and you are found here..

John 3:36


The KJV is a dinosaur in today’s world,

In God's spiritual world, the KJV is not found to be obsolete, but certainly in the world of a carnal JW it would be of no value to them., at all.
As you know.

The way you interpret Scripture is a disgrace to the God whom Jesus served.

Your false theology is always up and running here on the forum, but nothing of value regardng the NT is ever found there., we've notice.
You just post redundant JW cult nonsense.


You are very free with your accusations against others,

What i deal with is your false theology, when we communicate here on the Forum.
You feel im talking about you......and its true that you are deceived.
There is another person here on the Forum who broke away from your cult......so, that means there is hope for you also, @Aunty Jane
 

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The bible says a "contrite heart" the Lord (God) wont reject.

That is not....being sorry for sin......that is being sorry for what you are........as you realize yourself as compared to Holy Jesus and Righteous God.
Yes
 

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God's requirement for giving a SINNER, His Salvation, has nothing to do with them tryng to be good.

God's Salvation is given to sinners...>>"while we were yet sinners"......so, any theology that tries to teach that you must clean up, and be good, and get a better haircut.... and then God will save you, is HERESY.......its FALSE.

"Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"...........not repenters of their sin.

See, its the fact that people are SINNERS, is what Qualifies them for "" God's Gift of Salvaiton"
Yes absolutely

I think you misunderstood when I cited 2Cor 7:10....... it was because I thought you were talking about that verse

This verse however talks about a believer repenting of sinful behavior not justification unto eternal life
 

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What does a sinner have to offer God, so that God will save them?

A.) Their sin.

So, its theological baloney to teach that "we must stop and be good, and if we will do it, God will have us".

Listen Reader......if you as an unbeliever stopped sinning.....then what about your entire lifetime of sin.
Where did that go?
Its ON YOU.
Understand???? ...... So you are Responsible......and you cant get rid of that..... = but what you can do, is bring all your sin to Jesus and let Him die for it., and then God will have you....and keep you, and give you a brand new heart as you become a "new creation".. born again.

Thats the FREE GIFT of Salvation.
Don't leave earth without it.
Amen to all you said

Again I was talking about saved believers and we are to put off the old man
 

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WHAT IS REPENTANCE?

“Being” truly sorrowful
FOR;
* Not Knowing About The Lord God.
* Hearing About the Lord God, and Rejecting Him.

* Continuing to Learn and Accepting Belief In Him.
* Calling on the Name of the appointed “intercessor”; Jesus, and Confessing TO Him, their Natural spirits (ie. belief in their hearts) Truth.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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What does a sinner have to offer God, so that God will save them?

A.) Their sin.

What human man has to Offer…
IS:
The mans WORD of his (natural spirits) Belief.
AND:
The mans Flesh bodily Life, freely GIVEN unto DEATH.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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I didnt state that God declared anyone righteous.
You are very confused.
I believe you did several times.
You said....”If God declared you righteous because of your behavior, then Jesus died for nothing, on The Cross.”
You imply that our behavior is not subject to scrutiny because Jesus already paid for our sins, so you don’t need to try any more. Christ did indeed die for our sins...all of them, but that does not give us licence to sin with impunity, somehow assuming that Christ’s death has us automatically covered for what we do after we become Christians. Our behavior has everything to do with salvation.
The "unrighteous dead" are those who never were born again on earth.
They never receive forgiveness for their sin, and "died in their sins" as the unrighteous dead.

They now face this forever

John 3:36
In context...John 3:34-36...NASB...
“For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure. The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

What do you notice about John B’s words there? Obedience to the words of God’s son is required for the gift of life....no obedience to Christ’s teachings leads to God’s anger and the loss of God’s gift of life.

Look at Jesus’ statement in back verses 18-21...
“For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the Spirit without measure. The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand. He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.

If you “believe”.....you must “obey” the teachings of God’s son....there is no excuse not to.

John 3:36 is not going away., its eternal wrath.
Yes, but it ends in eternal death...not in some place of eternal conscious punishment....what purpose would that serve? Punishment under God’s law was always with a view to repentance and a change of one’s thinking and actions. If there is no repentance possible in this place of torment, then God is a sadist. If that is the god you worship, then you are welcome to him.
God's forgivness is found on THe Cross of Christ.
The Sacrifice of Jesus is God's Forgiveness, and it has to be received by : Faith, before you die.
Paul’s address to the “men of Athens” shows us what God requires....

Acts 17:22-31 NASB....
“So Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects. For while I was passing through and examining the objects of your worship, I also found an altar with this inscription, ‘TO AN UNKNOWN GOD.’ Therefore what you worship in ignorance, this I proclaim to you. The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things; and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

God tolerated “times of ignorance” in human history, but since the arrival of his Messiah, there is no longer an excuse for ignorance, because now it is an ignorance of choice. Those who lived and died in an unchosen ignorance, are not held accountable for their sin because there was no law given to them by God. No law means no sin was committed. Only Israel were to be judged that way.

John 15:22-24....Jesus said....
“If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin. He who hates Me hates My Father also. If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would not have sin; but now they have both seen and hated Me and My Father as well.”

In those apostolic times, Christ’s apostles and the faithful ones taught by them, proclaimed the truth about God to a hostile audience....to those who already claimed to worship the true God. A “remnant” of natural Israel responded as Isaiah had prophesied, (Rom 9:27) but gentiles were then added as God’s promise to Abraham included them too. (Gen 22:18)

But now we see another time of ignorance that God tolerated in that he allowed the devil to sow “weeds” of false Christianity, manifest today in thousands of different sects all claiming Jesus as their Lord, with little reference to his Father.
In John 17:3, Jesus states clearly that we have to “KNOW the only true God, AND the one he sent, Jesus Christ”
This is what results in salvation.....it is those who “know” the God they worship and do so with the son, who called his Father “my God”. (John 20:1; Rev 3:12)
 

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"Justification by Faith".

= Paul's Gospel
Paul would be appalled at how you twist his words to justify your position. We are “justified” by a faith that is backed up by actions....bringing even our “thought into captivity to make them obedient to the Christ”. (2 Cor 10:5)
Paul's theology is all i teach.

A carnal JW would of course classify this as a "cult".
I believe anyone reading your posts would conclude that that you do not teach what Paul taught at all...only a very twisted version of it, as though he was teaching a different gospel to the other apostles.

If you separate Paul’s teachings from the ones who make up the very foundations of God’s kingdom (Rev 21:14) in favour of only one of those who had God’s spirit, then I pity you, and any who accept your doctrines. You do appear to be a leader of your own cult, whilst pointing fingers at others for what you do yourself. Who appointed you as the arbiter of truth?
Old Testament saints were redeemed by The Lord, according to His Sacrifice.
Since the “saints” are only those were chosen by the Father as “kings and priests”, (Rev 20:6) Christ will have “brothers” who will rule with him in heaven. The Father has “sons”...the son has “brothers”.
And since the foundations of the kingdom are based on the twelve, then all who died before Christ opened the way to heaven, will not make up the heavenly part of God’s kingdom. They believed only in an earthly resurrection, which will see them become part of the administration of God’s kingdom the way they imagined....serving their God right here on earth where he intended humans to live forever.
Dont confuse JW with "Christian".
God doesn't.
Such arrogance will be rewarded....God knows who the real Christians are and that is all that matters.
Confidence does not require arrogance.
When Moses asked God....>"what is your name"......God didnt respond with "YAHWEH"

He responded......>"I Am that i Am".

Jesus said the same of Himself, to the Pharisees.
Well, if we are going to get technical, I looked up the divine name in the Jewish Tanakh and I was surprised to find a meaning to God’s name that actually made sense.....

Exodus 3:13-15...
13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?" יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'" ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation. טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

What do you see there? Its apparently addressed to you.....”Behold”!
His name does not simply mean “I am” but carries much more meaning than just his existence.....the Israelites already knew who he was, as sons of Jacob......his name here means that he will “BE” whatever he needs to be, in order to accomplish his will for Israel.
Israel would see their God become their deliverer in ways they had never imagined....the ten plagues, the parting of the Red Sea, the destruction of Pharaoh’s entire military force, and the pillars of cloud and fire that guided them through the wilderness.

Jesus never addressed himself as “I am” in a worshipful sense, but only in stating facts about his role in God’s arrangement for salvation, in which he was to play a vital part. He said “I am” a lot.....but not once was he claiming to be anything but “the son of God”. (Matt 20:22; Matt 26:18; Mark 8:27, 29; Mark 10:39; John 6:35 John 10:31-36....and countless others.) We believe what Jesus said about himself.
 

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What you posted is your reinvented mind garbled interpretation of what i wrote.
Or it was the “garbled interpretation” that you always seem to give to Scripture as if you yourself cannot be wrong. The holes in your belief system are large enough to to drive a Mack Truck through. Do you worship Paul? Was he the sole spokesman for Christ? Who told you this?
Notice....The Holy Spirit inside the Christian, shows the believer the rules.
He works with the conscience.
So, even if the Believers had never read or heard of the 10 commandments, or ever seen a bible.... the HS will still guide them into all Truth, and away from error, or unacceptable behavior.
When has that ever proved true? Our conscience is God given, but like all things in the human body the mind can also be destabilised by our environment. If we are persuaded to believe what is not true, God will not step in to save us from ourselves...he will allow each and every one of us to exercise our right of choice....catching us all in the act of being who we really are in his eyes. The easiest person in the world to deceive...is ourselves. God does not save us, but like Noah, he teaches us through obedience, how to save ourselves by following his instructions. Sometimes it’s a big ask.
The main function of the Law is to reveal you as a sinner you are, so that you may go to Jesus for forgiveness and Salvation before you die.
If you wait, then you "die in your sins" and you are found here..

John 3:36
We have already ascertained that you have no idea what that Scripture even means.
In God's spiritual world, the KJV is not found to be obsolete, but certainly in the world of a carnal JW it would be of no value to them., at all.
As you know.
Sorry, we are not the only ones to prefer a Bible translated into the language we speak. Archaic English is not the vernacular. It’s rendering are nonsensical in our day.
Your false theology is always up and running here on the forum, but nothing of value regardng the NT is ever found there., we've notice.
You just post redundant JW cult nonsense.
What is the source of your nonsense? Have you ever proven me wrong? Have you ever quoted a scripture that was true to its actual meaning in context?
What i deal with is your false theology, when we communicate here on the Forum.
You feel im talking about you......and its true that you are deceived.
And of course, you cannot be the promoter of any false theology....you cannot possibly be deceived. (Matt 7:21-23) You cannot possibly be wrong......or can you?
There is another person here on the Forum who broke away from your cult......so, that means there is hope for you also, @Aunty Jane
And defectors are always a great source of reliable information....I have hope that this person you speak of will emulate the prodigal son. A whole family apparently awaits their repentance and home coming.....including parents who will come back in the resurrection, to find them missing.......If not, then time will tell....won’t it?
We will all know then, what we don’t know now.....believing something doesn’t make it the truth.
Then all will know the truth....one way or another. For the majority, it will be a shocking rejection. (Matt 7:13-14; 21-23) Are we all prepared for that day?
 

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We will all know then, what we don’t know now.....believing something doesn’t make it the truth.
They chose the broad path—loving whom they pleased and blessing them to heaven, hating whom they despised and cursing them to hell.

They took the easy way, understand?

But we must choose to love others completely, as God does.
 

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They chose the broad path—loving whom they pleased and blessing them to heaven, hating whom they despised and cursing them to hell.
Yes and apparently the view from this path doesn’t include its destination. They are too busy looking at everyone else and feeling smug about their impending salvation.....but it is not going to end as they anticipate. Anyone who can love a God who has nothing better to do than torture souls in a fiery hell for all eternity, is showing what is in their own hearts....not God’s. He does not desire any to be destroyed as his words to Ezekiel show...

“Tell them, ‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living. Turn back, turn back from your bad ways, for why should you die, O house of Israel?”’ (Ezekiel 33:11)

God makes the same plea to us.
They took the easy way, understand?
It’s not just the “easy way”, but the way chosen by the majority...there is safety in numbers apparently, but it’s a false security as it was in Noah’s day......when God gives instructions, it’s the majority who choose to oppose him, being led by the “god of this world” (2 Cor 4:3-4)
But we must choose to love others completely, as God does.
Love has many expressions.....sometimes an act of love will cause us pain....like throwing ourselves at a person who is in the path of a runaway vehicle, in the process may cause them and us some physical damage, but it’s better than death or being maimed for life.
God chose his son to offer his life, to die for us, and no doubt it caused him pain to see his son suffer at the hands of his enemies.

This not to suggest that we have to attack people with the Bible, but to offer its comfort to those who are weighed down by the trials of this life. The Bible gives us practical advice to help us through any situation. (Prov 3:5-6)

Sacrifice has to cost us something, but the majority of those who attend the churches of Christendom do not have anything to sacrifice to God. They fit God in around their lifestyle, rather than fitting their lifestyle around God. The focus is always on what God can do for them, like he is some kind of Celestial genie who is there to grant wishes.
All of God’s Christian servants worked tirelessly to fulfill the commission Jesus gave them....to preach the gospel to all who would listen.....this wasn’t just for pastors and ministers, but for all Christians to spread the word.

At Revelation 22:16-17....in the closing part of John’s Revelation....Jesus said....
“‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’”
17 And the spirit and the bride keep on saying, “Come!” and let anyone hearing say, “Come!” and let anyone thirsting come; let anyone who wishes take life’s water free.


So the onus is on all who profess to be Christians, to offer the invitation to “take life’s water free” to anyone who will listen.
 
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