Is Hell a place of torment?

[shepherdsword]

But what if His Father asks Him to tell us to do something that breaks the law?

That would be against the nature of the Father.

 

[One 2 question]

That would be against the nature of the Father.

But Father did this in the past. He wrote down one command which He gave to millions and then around 40 years later commanded them to do the opposite or to the contrary.

 

[shepherdsword]

But Father did this in the past. He wrote down one command which He gave to millions and then around 40 years later commanded them to do the opposite or to the contrary.

Scripture please

 

[Behold]

On the day of ones death-all thought stops.

The day that Hebrews 9:27 finds your body, it does not affect your mind.
For example......everyone who died today and went to Hell.......they are wide awake......they know where they are and what it means.

 

[Jack]

True, but what about the rest of the verse? Are we to take the cutting off our hand and foot literally? Or perhaps the fire simply means everlasting death, where there is in coming back, no resurrection.

It doesn't tell us to chop off our feet and hands. It says it's BETTER than burning in Hell forever. Chopping off body parts won't save anyone from Hell.

 

[Jack]

On the day of ones death-all thought stops. The resurrection occurs at Rev 20. That has not occurred yet. The lake of fire= the second death= permanent death.

Did you even read Rev 20??? "They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ..."

Its not a literal eternal suffering. A God who is Love, merciful, could NEVER create a literal eternal suffering. We all make our choice( Deut 30:19= LIFE or DEATH.) Obeying proves it all. Imagine God torturing anyone. Gods justice scales prove no literal eternal suffering exists as well.

Are you referring to God of the Bible Who burned Sodom alive and drowned all on Earth but 8 "making them an example"? You need to RUN from Kingdom Hall and read your Bible. Do you have a Bible?

 

[Jack]

Are these Hell deniers actually saying Satan won't burn in Hell forever???

 

[One 2 question]

Scripture please

1. God wrote this command, 'Do not kill'.

Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

The Hebrew word kill - raw-tsakh'
A primitive root; properly to dash in pieces, that is, kill (a human being), especially to murder: - put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er).


2. God spoke this command to Joshua, kill all the inhabitants of Jericho, men, women and children. And he obeyed God.

Jos 6:21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

In Joshua's case....

What God wrote with His very finger was not to be obeyed. Do not dash in pieces or kill a human being.

What God spoke was to be obeyed. Kill, cut to pieces with the sword.

 

[Keiw]

The day that Hebrews 9:27 finds your body, it does not affect your mind.
For example......everyone who died today and went to Hell.......they are wide awake......they know where they are and what it means.

Its a guarantee, there is no literal eternal suffering.
One cannot deny that -An eye for an eye-= Gods perfect justice. He apply's that to his dealings. One cannot deny, that for 70-100 years of an unrepented life God could not punish one for Trillions x trillions x trillions of years of never ending years of suffering, according to his perfect justice scales. That would be an eye for a gazillion eyes= A literal place of eternal suffering.
It is symbolism what is taught in NT about it.

 

[Keiw]

Did you even read Rev 20??? "They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ..."

Are you referring to God of the Bible Who burned Sodom alive and drowned all on Earth but 8 "making them an example"? You need to RUN from Kingdom Hall and read your Bible. Do you have a Bible?

I do have one thanks. The best one available.
God destroyed the wicked. All who have read the bible find 99% minimum mislead at every given point past the Eden mark. Jesus warned the world, these last days will be like Noah's day( 99.9% mislead)- But there will be a resurrection, so the real death = the lake of fire.

 

[Jack]

I do have one thanks. The best one available.
God destroyed the wicked. All who have read the bible find 99% minimum mislead at every given point past the Eden mark. Jesus warned the world, these last days will be like Noah's day( 99.9% mislead)- But there will be a resurrection, so the real death = the lake of fire.

"Death" NEVER means 'cease to exist' in the Bible, no matter what JW's GB masters say!

 

[Jack]

Its a guarantee, there is no literal eternal suffering.

You don't believe in Hell? You will.

One cannot deny that -An eye for an eye-= Gods perfect justice. He apply's that to his dealings. One cannot deny, that for 70-100 years of an unrepented life God could not punish one for Trillions x trillions x trillions of years of never ending years of suffering, according to his perfect justice scales. That would be an eye for a gazillion eyes= A literal place of eternal suffering.
It is symbolism what is taught in NT about it.

Satan LOVES the JW doctrines! He wants your company FOREVER!

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Behold]

Its a guarantee, there is no literal eternal suffering.

Reader,

Hell was created for the Devil and His (fallen) Angels.

Now, after Adam fell..........he became "adamic".....and this means that he became the sin nature, that is the nature of Satan.

"Sin" is The Devil's Nature.....and when Adam obeyed Satan and disobyed God, ... than in came sin..into Adam, and into the entire human race.

By one man's sin, (Adam's) sin entered into all of humanity., and that is why we are all sinners., until we are born again as a "new creation". "In Christ"./

Now here is the spiritual application of the sin nature......and that is, the Father of the sin nature is Satan, and sinners, never born again, are the spiritual children of The Devil.
This is why Jesus said........"you are of YOUR FATHER, the Devil.. and the LUSTS of your FATHER... you shall DO".
So, that is everyone of us, who use to LOVE SIN......becasue we were OF the SIN NATURE = a spiritual Child of The Devil.

Now, Jesus tells us that we must be "born again"........and why is that?
Why must you be BORN.... again.......spiritually?
Its because when you are born again Spiritually, you are born of ANOTHER Spirituial FATHER.
See that?
The Born again, are become the Children of GOD.........because God has Birthed them, Spiritually.......and now He is become their Eternal Spiritual FATHER.

Whereas.....if you are never born again... Spiritually....then you remain a child of your father, the devil, and that means that HELL that was originally created for Him, is your eternal destination.
And Reader, water baptism is not how you are born again.

Now listen...., if you want to be SAVED from That eternal destination, and have eternal peace with God and go to Heaven instead, then God has to become your Spiritual Father, before you die.

"You must be born again"........before you die, as you can't be born again in Hell.

And that happens, we are born again by God's Holy Spirit.... when we give God our Faith in Christ........and God then spiritually birth's us, by the Holy Spirit, as HIS OWN...for eternlty

Reader, If this never happens to you, then you will go to Hell when you die.
And i will tell you again....Water Baptism is not how you are born again.

A.) "ALL who call on the name of Jesus, by faith, shall be SAVED".

= All who come to Jesus, believing in Him for forgiveness of your sin, shall be SAVED.

Dont wait.

 

[Berean]

It doesn't tell us to chop off our feet and hands. It says it's BETTER than burning in Hell forever. Chopping off body parts won't save anyone from Hell.

that's because everybody goes to hell when they die.

 

[Berean]

Lev 7:27 Whatsoever soul it be that eateth any manner of blood, even that soul shall be cut off from his people.

Jesus would not tell us to do something that breaks the law.

"us"? I'm not under the Law, but feel free to observe them.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Did you even read Rev 20??? "They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ..."

Are you referring to God of the Bible Who burned Sodom alive and drowned all on Earth but 8 "making them an example"? You need to RUN from Kingdom Hall and read your Bible. Do you have a Bible?

you may of noticed Sodom never came back .a place that was destroyed forever . the only way to find fire there is if ya take it with you.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

You don't believe in Hell? You will.

Satan LOVES the JW doctrines! He wants your company FOREVER!

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

its known that Satan is willing to lie,even to you.

 

[Berean]

you may of noticed Sodom never came back .a place that was destroyed forever . the only way to find fire there is if ya take it with you.

Yet ..... because Sodom will come back

"it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” - Matthew 10:15; 11:23-24; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:12; 17:29

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Yet ..... because Sodom will come back

"it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!” - Matthew 10:15; 11:23-24; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:12; 17:29

Jesus' instructions to his twelve apostles as he sends them out to preach and perform miracles. He warns them that some towns will reject their message, and their rejection will be a more serious offense than the wickedness of Sodom and Gomorrah, which were destroyed by God. Sodom and Gomorrah is not coming back

 

[shepherdsword]

"us"? I'm not under the Law, but feel free to observe them.

I didn't say you were under the law. I said that Jesus would not tell the Jews he was speaking to, that WERE under the law, to break the law.