Paul's Gospel

[Hiddenthings]

@dak

Mark 12 is the same

Then he began to speak to them in parables: “A man planted a vineyard. He put a fence around it, dug a pit for its winepress, and built a watchtower. Then he leased it to tenant farmers and went on a journey.

A far country is the figure of heaven cp. Luke 19:12

Luke 19:12 "He said therefore, 'A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return.'"

The Kingdom is coming down out of Heaven (New Jerusalem) and is given to Christ (Dan 7:13-14) which he will share with his Saints/Bride/Second Eve upon his coming!

Luke 19:27 "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me."

So you have the Saints of the Most High God ruling with Christ and its willing citizens.

 

[dak]

A lot of words which actually say very little. Certainly nothing in there which relates to Luke 12.



Do you think by highlighting the text blue it will magically take on new meaning? Red is the context without doubt!



Again, red text is the Context of Luke 12:35-36 - Marriage and Supper follow Judgement of the House.


Again red text supports the correct interpretation of Luke 12:35-36.

Interesting how Jesus uses a marriage and a far country to provide the reason for his delay.

In this instance the far country is heaven John 14:13; 16:7. Just as in type Moses went up to Sinai to receive the pattern of the Tabernacle Ex 24:14-18.

No marriage happened in Heaven as this will happen when he returns gathers and raises the Elect etc.

More denial of plain scripture texts containing the Testimony of the Master.

Moreover you have already admitted that the marriage and the marriage supper are not the same, (which was correct), and additionally you have quoted from Rev 19 several times, but apparently you did not notice what it actually says and shows concerning these things.

Revelation 19:-9 ASV
1 After these things I heard as it were a great voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, Hallelujah; Salvation, and glory, and power, belong to our God:
2 for true and righteous are his judgments; for he hath judged the great harlot, her that corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3 And a second time they say, Hallelujah. And her smoke goeth up for ever and ever.
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshipped God that sitteth on the throne, saying, Amen; Hallelujah.
5 And a voice came forth from the throne, saying, Give praise to our God, all ye his servants, ye that fear him, the small and the great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunders, saying, Hallelujah: for the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigneth.
7 Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and let us give the glory unto him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they that are bidden to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are true words of God.

"is come" = "has come" ~ "the marriage of the Lamb has come"

Revelation 19:7 - The Marriage of the Lamb

Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him the glory. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready.

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Those bidden to the marriage supper of the Lamb must be cleansed and must have put on the wedding garment provided by the Father of the Groom, (Rev 19:17, Luk 19:27, Jhn 13:10, Mat 22:1-14, (Mat 22:13 = Henok 10:4, #228, #235).

 

[Hiddenthings]

More denial of plain scripture texts containing the Testimony of the Master.

Moreover you have already admitted that the marriage and the marriage supper are not the same, (which was correct), and additionally you have quoted from Rev 19 several times, but apparently you did not notice what it actually says and shows concerning these things.

 

[Hiddenthings]

7 Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and let us give the glory unto him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright and pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they that are bidden to the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are true words of God.

"is come" = "has come" ~ "the marriage of the Lamb has come"

Revelation 19:7 - The Marriage of the Lamb

Let us rejoice and be glad and give Him the glory. For the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His bride has made herself ready.

biblehub.com

Those bidden to the marriage supper of the Lamb must be cleansed and must have put on the wedding garment provided by the Father of the Groom, (Rev 19:17, Jhn 13:10, Mat 22:1-14, (Mat 22:13 = Henok 10:4, #228, #235).

The Marriage of the Lamb will fulfill the type of the first marriage in Eden, when Adam was placed "into a deep sleep" so that a bride could be created for him (Genesis 2:23-24). Eve was called "woman" or out of man because she was taken from him. This foreshadows the formation of the Bride of Christ, taken out of her Lord, and will find its fulfillment in the glorious unity of the marriage upon his return.

Just as the Ecclesia (the Church) should be one in Christ now, it will be one with him then!

The phrase "is come" in the Authorized Version as "hath come", using the past tense. The marriage will occur before the destruction of the great whore, which is why the past tense is used in this context.

She is granted her garments in a glorified state.

Past tense in Rev 19:8 "hath been granted," indicating that all of this has already occurred before the destruction of Babylon the Great. The clothing with which the Bride is "arrayed" (Isaiah 61:10; Revelation 3:5,18) represents both nature and status.

Regarding nature, 2 Corinthians 5:4 refers to eternal life as a covering for nakedness: “being clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up by life.”

As for status, "fine linen" refers to the fabric used for the garments of priests (Leviticus 6:10; 16:2-4), making it fitting for the company of king-priests. These garments are both "clean" and "white." They are "clean" because immortality will cleanse us from the death-defiling nature of our mortal bodies. They are "white" because they shine with glory. The terms katharon and lampron signify "pure and bright," reflecting the resplendent glory the saints will manifest in both character and nature, showing forth the glory of the Father.

Luke 12 does not reference either the Marriage of the Lamb or details related to the Supper. It's merely referring to how Christ will find his bride (servants) when he comes.

 

[dak]

No marriage happened in Heaven as this will happen when he returns gathers and raises the Elect etc.

Denying even more scripture. Rev 19 was just posted with commentary.
Are you not able to follow context?

Revelation 19:-9 ASV
1 After these things I heard as it were a great voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, Hallelujah; Salvation, and glory, and power, belong to our God:
2 for true and righteous are his judgments; for he hath judged the great harlot, her that corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3 And a second time they say, Hallelujah. And her smoke goeth up for ever and ever.
4 And the four and twenty elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshipped God that sitteth on the throne, saying, Amen; Hallelujah.
5 And a voice came forth from the throne, saying, Give praise to our God, all ye his servants, ye that fear him, the small and the great.
6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunders, saying, Hallelujah: for the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigneth.
7 Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and let us give the glory unto him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

The only reason to try to subvert this is because it does not agree with one's dogma.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The union of the Lamb with His Bride happens after his return from Heaven in a hidden place, while the marriage supper, to which guests are invited, will take place later at Zion.

@dak I believe you ordinally said you wanted to be a guest (a friend) and not part of the Bride (i.e Saints)

To better understand this important symbol in Revelation, let’s look at traditional marriage feasts as described in the scriptures. The bride was often dressed in white, richly adorned with decorations (Psalm 45:13-14), and wore a bridal girdle around her waist (Isaiah 49:18), shining in jewels (Isaiah 61:10). The bridegroom, accompanied by friends and musicians, would travel from his home to the bride's, heralding his arrival (Matthew 25:10). Upon receiving her, the bridegroom would lead the procession, with singing and dancing marking the way (Psalm 45:15; Song of Songs 3:6-11). Along the journey, more friends would join the procession (Matthew 25:6), and upon reaching the bridegroom's home, a feast would be prepared, with additional guests invited (Matthew 22:1-10; 25:1-13).

In the context of Revelation, the sequence is as follows:

The Lamb, as the bridegroom, returns with His angelic companions to meet His bride (Matthew 16:27; Mark 8:38). From there, they journey to Zion (Ezekiel 43:1-3) to celebrate the marriage feast (Isaiah 25:6). The guests invited to this celebration are those who respond to the call in Revelation 14:6-7, which includes both Israel and the nations that submit to Christ (Revelation 19:17). The feast will occur after the Battle of Armageddon but before the final judgment upon the nations that reject Christ’s invitation (Isaiah 60:12; Ezekiel 39:17). The "fourth beast"—the last manifestation of which is described in Revelation 17 will be utterly destroyed (Daniel 7:11), although individual nations that make up this beast will remain and be incorporated into the Kingdom (Daniel 7:12), where they will be ruled by the Redeemed (Luke 19:17,19), provided they submit to Christ’s rule. This Marriage Feast is referred to as "the supper of the great God" in Revelation 19:17-21.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Denying even more scripture. Rev 19 was just posted with commentary.
Are you not able to follow context?

Revelation 19:-9 ASV
1 After these things I heard as it were a great voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying, Hallelujah; Salvation, and glory, and power, belong to our God:

The "heaven" is the new government set up in Jerusalem. See Rev. 4:1; 7:9; 18:20.

If you have the whole "heaven going thing" going on we will need to park this discussion and deal with that error first. If you cannot discern the symbols in the Revelation, their meaning will be hidden from you.

 

[dak]

A far country is the figure of heaven cp. Luke 19:12

Luke 19:12 "He said therefore, 'A nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and then return.'"

Yes, and the kingdom he receives pertains to the new-renewed covenant which, as already explained through the writings of Paul in Gal 4, Mat 21:4-5, and Zec 9:9, is the Daughter of Zion-Yerushalem. Again, Yerushalem of above is our mother(covenant), Gal 4:22-31, and therefore the Daughter of Yerushalem is the new covenant which is new Yerushalem in Rev 21. This is so easy a child can follow the logic, (because the child does not yet have a paradigm king to rule over his heart and mind).

 

[dak]

Hiddenthings@, if you are going to continue rapid firing multiple posts before I can respond, I am going to consider it nothing more than trying to drown me out in my own thread, which in turn, will make you worthy of being ignored.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yes, and the kingdom he receives pertains to the new-renewed covenant which, as already explained through the writings of Paul in Gal 4, Mat 21:4-5, and Zec 9:9, is the Daughter of Zion-Yerushalem.

This is obvious dak!

Again, Yerushalem of above is our mother(covenant),

And it's this New Jerusalem which is coming "from" Heaven to Earth. Revelation 21:1-2

Gal 4:22-31, and therefore the Daughter of Yerushalem is the new covenant which is new Yerushalem in Rev 21. This is so easy a chaild can follow the logic,k (because the child does not yet have a paradigm king to rule over his heart and mind).

You mean children of the free woman? Neither male nor female?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Hiddenthings@, if you are going to continue rapid firing multiple posts before I can respond, I am going to consider it nothing more than trying to drown me out in my own thread, which in turn, will make you worthy of being ignored.

If you could actually explain your beliefs in your own words, rather than just giving me chunks of highlighted text to sift through, this might go differently.

 

[dak]

This is obvious dak!

Apparently not so obvious to you once you come to the portion of Rev 21:1-2 which calls her the Bride. Otherwise you would not be so foolish as to ignore that statement and claim yourself to be the bride.

And it's this New Jerusalem which is coming "from" Heaven to Earth. Revelation 21:1-2

Also the Tabernacle of Elohim, (Rev 21:3), which you are not in this respect, and neither are you my mother covenant or the Daughter of Yerushalem, the renewed covenant. The covenant is renewed by way of the Testimony of the Meshiah, which was given to him from the heavens, (also already addressed from John 3, quoted and expounded), showing through Zec 9:9 and Mat 21:4-5 that the Bridegroom already had the Bride when he entered into Yerushalem on the colt at the close of his earthly ministry: but you have not believed much of any of the scripture which has been quoted to confirm these things.

You mean children of the free woman? Neither male nor female?

It's rather obvious that the freewoman in the allegory is Sarah, even though Paul does not mention her name, for since he mentions Hagar, and later also Yitzhak, the counterparts are assumed in the allegory and we are supposed to know the contexts or go seek them out and understand them from the related Torah passages.

As for neither male nor female, (in Meshiah), true: but men do not become women, (brides), while women may indeed become both circumcised, (because true circumcision is of the heart, both in the Torah, and according to Paul), and the women may also become sons of Elohim, (Mt 5:9, Luk 20:34-36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26).

However the most basic archetypes must also be upheld, for example, father and son, both of these are masculine in everyday common usage no matter what language: likewise father and mother, one is masculine and the other is feminine. Doctrines which ignore these commonly agreed upon basic principles are rejected in the scripture because they do not adhere to what the Most High has revealed in the physical creation, (see Rom 1:15-32). Moreover, as already stated previously, as regards prophetic texts and symbolism, the women are the cities are the covenants, (just as Paul lays it out for us in Galatians 4:22-31).

 

[dak]

If you could actually explain your beliefs in your own words, rather than just giving me chunks of highlighted text to sift through, this might go differently.

The scripture is my beliefs, and if I am speaking of one main thread running through the vine I highlight it, (for every passage has multiple themes running though it).

 

[Hiddenthings]

Apparently not so obvious to you once you come to the portion of Rev 21:1-2 which calls her the Bride. Otherwise you would not be so foolish as to ignore that statement and claim yourself to be the bride.

The Bride have been Kings and Priests on the Earth for 1000 years. The point being made is the Kingdom is centred in Jerusalem and not in Heaven! The Marriage occurs upon the return of Christ not prior to or at his death.

Also the Tabernacle of Elohim, (Rev 21:3), which you are not in this respect, and neither are you my mother covenant or the Daughter of Yerushalem, the renewed covenant.

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on "daughter"

The women had sons:

The covenant is renewed by way of the Testimony of the Meshiah, which was given to him from the heavens, (also already addressed from John 3, quoted and expounded), showing through Zec 9:9 and Mat 21:4-5 that the Bridegroom already had the Bride when he entered into Yerushalem on the colt at the close of his earthly ministry: but you have not believed much of any of the scripture which has been quoted to confirm these things.

The Bride is raised and gathered dak and the marraige did not take place on the cross!

It's rather obvious that the freewoman in the allegory is Sarah, even though Paul does not mention her name, for since he mentions Hagar, and later also Yitzhak, the counterparts are assumed in the allegory and we are supposed to know the contexts or go seek them out and understand them from the related Torah passages.

Agree

As for neither male nor female, (in Meshiah), true: but men do not become women, (brides), while women may indeed become both circumcised, (because true circumcision is of the heart, both in the Torah, and according to Paul), and the women may also become sons of Elohim, (Mt 5:9, Luk 20:34-36, Rom 8:14, Gal 3:26).

The Bride is the union of man and woman coming before Christ (correction God) as the Bride of Christ - it's a metaphor which speaks of a union.

However the most basic archetypes must also be upheld, for example, father and son, both of these are masculine in everyday common usage no matter what language: likewise father and mother, one is masculine and the other is feminine. Doctrines which ignore these commonly agreed upon basic principles are rejected in the scripture because they do not adhere to what the Most High has revealed in the physical creation, (see Rom 1:15-32). Moreover, as already stated previously, as regards prophetic texts and symbolism, the women are the cities are the covenants, (just as Paul lays it out for us in Galatians 4:22-31).

Agree.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The scripture is my beliefs, and if I am speaking of one main thread running through the vine I highlight it, (for every passage has multiple themes running though it).

I’m not asking you to stop quoting Scripture, but don’t complain if I respond with multiple posts when you've copied and pasted multiple sections of text.

 

[Hiddenthings]

quoted and expounded), showing through Zec 9:9

Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey."

@dak, I understand where your mind is at now!

The imagery of the donkey and colt highlights the spiritual and natural aspects of Israel’s future. When Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the donkey, the people recognized His kingly role, but they didn’t fully grasp the spiritual significance of the moment, the acknowledgment of both spiritual Israel and natural Israel submitting to their King.

His Second Coming will be much different!

 

[dak]

The Bride have been Kings and Priests on the Earth for 1000 years. The point being made is the Kingdom is centred in Jerusalem and not in Heaven! The Marriage occurs upon the return of Christ not prior to or at his death.

Obviously I do not agree with your interpretation of Rev 20. A thousand years are as one day, and one day is as a thousand years with the Master: but that cuts both ways depending how much you love the Father and His Word. The Most High made appearances twice unto Shelomoh, on two separate occasions, and yet his heart turned away, and the following is what "the Preacher", (Shelomoh), says concerning those two times:

Ecclesiastes 6:6 KJV
6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

That's shanim pa'amayim, literally "two strokes" or "two times", and the two times are the two days wherein the Most High made the appearances unto him on two separate occasions.

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on "daughter"

The women had sons:

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I have already explained my view of your graph information so I'll take the graph and correct it accordingly.



They are the same covenant but one as viewed and understood through the carnal mind of the natural man, (of below, Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, Herodians, etc.), and the other as viewed and understood by the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts, (of above).

The Bride is raised and gathered

Where is that written?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Obviously I do not agree with your interpretation of Rev 20. A thousand years are as one day, and one day is as a thousand years with the Master: but that cuts both ways depending how much you love the Father and His Word.

I'm not dogmatic on the literal 1000 years.

They are the same covenant but one as viewed and understood through the carnal mind of the natural man, (of below, Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes, Herodians, etc.), and the other as viewed and understood by the Testimony of the Master in the Gospel accounts, (of above).

I suggest you change it back!

Micah 4:1-2 "It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and it shall be lifted up above the hills; and peoples shall flow to it, and many nations shall come, and say: 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.' For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem."

The mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills": This refers to Mount Zion, the location where the Lord's temple once stood and will stand again in the future (Ezekiel 40-43). In the future, Mount Zion will be elevated as the most important mountain on earth, surpassing all other hills in significance (Genesis 12:3 and Zechariah 8:3). People from all corners of the world will journey to it. This is in stark contrast to what Micah originally predicted about the near future of Jerusalem and the temple, its destruction and abandonment (Micah 3:12).

What will you do dak when you see Zion exalted? And I do hope you are there to see it!

Many nations will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us His ways, so that we may walk in His paths.' The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem"

In the future, nations from all over the world will recognize Israel's unique role and come to the millennial Jerusalem to learn God's ways directly from the Israelites. Israel will finally fulfill its intended role as a "kingdom of priests", serving as a mediator between God and the nations (Exodus 19:6). The Gentiles will seek to obey God's will, in stark contrast to the disobedient Jews of Micah's time. Jerusalem will become the central hub of divine teaching, where Yahweh's will and His law will be shared with the world.

(If you have similar evidence for Horeb please share)

Where is that written?

It seems you've already dismissed every text that addresses the Bride (particularly Paul's writings), yet you haven’t fully explained your perspective on that metaphor. Could there be some kind of aversion to it? It’s hard to say.

Anyway, Dak, let’s dive into the details and talk about the timing and events surrounding the Marriage and the Marriage Supper.

Here’s a graph we can use to explore the finer points. While I’m not dogmatic to every aspect of it, there’s a lot here worth discussing.

I do find the Jubilee period rather important to God so this timeframe works for me.

As you can see the Marriage of the Lamb takes place after the resurrection & judgement.
I'm not dogmatic on Sinia being the place of the Judgment & Marriage (anywhere is fine BUT not in Heaven!)



Look forward to furthering the discussion!

 

[Hiddenthings]

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I just noticed you removed Sarah's covenant faith via Abraham - wow that's a mighty error on your part!

Galatians 3:29 – "And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."
Hebrews 11:8-10 – "By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to a place that he was to receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he went to live in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, living in tents with Isaac and Jacob, heirs with him of the same promise. For he was looking forward to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God."

If you need schooling in the Abrahamic Covenant, let me know!

Always happy to help.

 

[dak]

What will you do dak when you see Zion exalted? And I do hope you are there to see it!

I've already seen it and you were not there. The Gospel is to each in his or her appointed times, times appointed of the Father, and thus it is with the Bema following Acts 2, otherwise you make Paul a liar to his own congregations.

Again, the kingdom of Elohim does not come with ocular-physical observation: for the kingdom of Elohim is within you.

Luke 17:20-21
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

And from a passage which you have already referenced:

Luke 19:11-28 KJV
11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately [parachrema, immediately in full wealth or full glory] appear.
12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, [the Resurrection] and to return [Acts 2].
13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.
14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, [Acts 2] then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, [the Bema] to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
20 And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin:
21 For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow.
22 And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
23 Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury?
24 And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds.
25 (And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.)
26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.
27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
28 And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

Were the servants called before the Master to give an account all at the same time???
No, they were not, for the Gospel is personal and individual, to each in his or her own appointed times:

Then came the first.......
Then came the second.......
Then came another.......
And on, and on, and on, until it is YOUR turn to be called up by the Master to give an account for what you have done with what he left you with to occupy, barter, and trade with, while he was as if away in a far journey.

He himself also teaches that he is not going to be seen by the world, (who hate him), when he returns:

John 14:15-23 KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Many nations will come and say, 'Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us His ways, so that we may walk in His paths.' The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem"

In the future, nations from all over the world will recognize Israel's unique role and come to the millennial Jerusalem to learn God's ways directly from the Israelites. Israel will finally fulfill its intended role as a "kingdom of priests", serving as a mediator between God and the nations (Exodus 19:6). The Gentiles will seek to obey God's will, in stark contrast to the disobedient Jews of Micah's time. Jerusalem will become the central hub of divine teaching, where Yahweh's will and His law will be shared with the world.

(If you have similar evidence for Horeb please share)


It seems you've already dismissed every text that addresses the Bride (particularly Paul's writings), yet you haven’t fully explained your perspective on that metaphor. Could there be some kind of aversion to it? It’s hard to say.

Anyway, Dak, let’s dive into the details and talk about the timing and events surrounding the Marriage and the Marriage Supper.

Here’s a graph we can use to explore the finer points. While I’m not dogmatic to every aspect of it, there’s a lot here worth discussing.

I do find the Jubilee period rather important to God so this timeframe works for me.

As you can see the Marriage of the Lamb takes place after the resurrection & judgement.
I'm not dogmatic on Sinia being the place of the Judgment & Marriage (anywhere is fine BUT not in Heaven!)

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Look forward to furthering the discussion!

The above is all according to the eyes and mind of the natural man: I've already seen a thousand or more variations of it from a thousand or more other dispensationists and hyper dispy's.