Who Are God’s Chosen People?

[brightfame52]

The Jew's concept of the coming age was what we now know as the Millennium reign of the Messiah over the Jews.

Nothing to do with becoming the church.
The church was hidden and a mystery until after the Church age began!

The church wasnt hidden, but the fact that the gentiles would be incorporated into the special called out ones wasnt clearly understood. The people Israel, Abrahams seed has always been the church, the called people from amongst other nations. Stephen called them the church in the wilderness Acts 7:38

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Jews didn't know that all those promises made to their fathers included Gentiles Eph 3:4-6

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body[church], and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

[GeneZ]

The church wasnt hidden, but the fact that the gentiles would be incorporated into the special called out ones wasnt clearly understood. The people Israel, Abrahams seed has always been the church, the called people from amongst other nations. Stephen called them the church in the wilderness Acts 7:38

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Jews didn't know that all those promises made to their fathers included Gentiles Eph 3:4-6

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body[church], and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

This something that would make things clearer if we understood the following.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away;
behold, all things have become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17

The words "new creation" in the Greek means that the created thing never existed before.
He is a new species in creation!

Jews were not "church" until the day of Pentecost!
Before that time, they were living as Jews.

Jesus presented his messages to Jews as a rabbi.

 

[David in NJ]

The Jew's concept of the coming age was what we now know as the Millennium reign of the Messiah over the Jews.

Nothing to do with becoming the church.
The church was hidden and a mystery until after the Church age began!

Correction = the Church is the Bride of Christ and began when John the Baptist said:

John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven.
You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
He who has the Bride is the Bridegroom; but the friend of the Bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice.

 

[GeneZ]

Correction = the Church is the Bride of Christ and began when John the Baptist said:

John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven.
You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
He who has the Bride is the Bridegroom; but the friend of the Bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice.

Ancient Jewish weddings were different from what we see today.

Hearing the bridegrooms voice took place when the wedding was in a process leading to the completion.

On the wedding day... The bridegroom would pull up in his chariot, and then take his bride with him. (the rapture)

On the wedding day, as the bridegroom approached, others would see him approaching.
Then, exit his chariot (his means of transportation) and call out to his bride.
Then take her to his home, where the marriage was to be consummated.

John was only hearing the Lord calling out the one who was to be his bride.
No marriage had taken place yet. No church yet.

​

Ancient Jewish weddings differed significantly from modern ceremonies.​

A key difference is that ancient weddings were a multi-stage process,​

including betrothal and the actual wedding ceremony, with a period of waiting​

in between, unlike the single-day events common today.​

Arranged marriages were also the norm, with parental involvement and the payment of a mohar (bride price).

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Betrothal (Erusin):

• This was a legally binding agreement, more serious than a modern engagement, that obligated the groom to provide for and protect the bride.
• A gift (mohar) was given to the bride's father, signifying the betrothal.
• Blessings and vows were exchanged, and the couple shared a cup of wine.
  

2. Waiting Period (often a year):

• The bride prepared for the wedding, while the groom prepared their future home.
• This period symbolized faithfulness and anticipation.
  

3. Wedding Ceremony (Nissuin):

• The groom, with friends and lamps, would escort the bride from her home to the ceremony.

• The bride wore a gown symbolic of her purity.
  
  
• The ceremony involved the Sheva B'rachot (seven blessings), a shared cup of wine, and breaking a glass (a modern custom).
  
  
• A large wedding feast (seudah) followed, sometimes lasting for seven days, with food, wine, and celebration.

4. Key Differences from Modern Weddings:

• Arranged Marriages:
  Parental involvement and matchmaking were common, unlike the more individual choice common in many modern weddings.
  

• Stages of the Wedding:
  Ancient weddings were a process with a waiting period, while modern ceremonies are often a single event.
  
  
• Wedding Feast:
  The ancient feasts were extensive, sometimes lasting for a week, a tradition that is less common in modern Jewish weddings.
  
  
• Symbolism:
  Ancient traditions, like the groom's escorting of the bride and the bride's gown, carried significant symbolic weight.
  
  
• Breaking the Glass:
  This modern custom is often seen as a symbolic reminder of the destruction of the Temple, but its origins lie in later periods.
  

 

[quietthinker]

That doesnt help your blatant false statement

If you can accept it, the veil remains over your vision.

 

[David in NJ]

Ancient Jewish weddings were different from what we see today.

Hearing the bridegrooms voice took place when the wedding was in a process leading to the completion.

On the wedding day... The bridegroom would pull up in his chariot, and then take his bride with him. (the rapture)

On the wedding day, as the bridegroom approached, others would see him approaching.
Then, exit his chariot (his means of transportation) and call out to his bride.
Then take her to his home, where the marriage was to be consummated.

John was only hearing the Lord calling out the one who was to be his bride.
No marriage had taken place yet. No church yet.

​

Ancient Jewish weddings differed significantly from modern ceremonies.​

A key difference is that ancient weddings were a multi-stage process,​

including betrothal and the actual wedding ceremony, with a period of waiting​

in between, unlike the single-day events common today.​

Arranged marriages were also the norm, with parental involvement and the payment of a mohar (bride price).

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
1. Betrothal (Erusin):

• This was a legally binding agreement, more serious than a modern engagement, that obligated the groom to provide for and protect the bride.
• A gift (mohar) was given to the bride's father, signifying the betrothal.
• Blessings and vows were exchanged, and the couple shared a cup of wine.

2. Waiting Period (often a year):

• The bride prepared for the wedding, while the groom prepared their future home.
• This period symbolized faithfulness and anticipation.

3. Wedding Ceremony (Nissuin):

• The groom, with friends and lamps, would escort the bride from her home to the ceremony.
• The bride wore a gown symbolic of her purity.
  
  
• The ceremony involved the Sheva B'rachot (seven blessings), a shared cup of wine, and breaking a glass (a modern custom).
  
  
• A large wedding feast (seudah) followed, sometimes lasting for seven days, with food, wine, and celebration.

4. Key Differences from Modern Weddings:

• Arranged Marriages:
  Parental involvement and matchmaking were common, unlike the more individual choice common in many modern weddings.
• Stages of the Wedding:
  Ancient weddings were a process with a waiting period, while modern ceremonies are often a single event.
  
  
• Wedding Feast:
  The ancient feasts were extensive, sometimes lasting for a week, a tradition that is less common in modern Jewish weddings.
  
  
• Symbolism:
  Ancient traditions, like the groom's escorting of the bride and the bride's gown, carried significant symbolic weight.
  
  
• Breaking the Glass:
  This modern custom is often seen as a symbolic reminder of the destruction of the Temple, but its origins lie in later periods.

Thank you for the FYI

Now let's get back to TRUTH = the Holy Scriptures

@GeneZ trust that which God has declared of His Son, the Bridegroom and of His Bride, the Disciples.
Which you correctly posted in post #20

Matthew chapter 24 is JESUS speaking to His Bride and all the Future Members

 

[GeneZ]

Thank you for the FYI

Now let's get back to TRUTH = the Holy Scriptures

@GeneZ trust that which God has declared of His Son, the Bridegroom and of His Bride, the Disciples.
Which you correctly posted in post #20

Matthew chapter 24 is JESUS speaking to His Bride and all the Future Members

Please... Give me something specific from Matthew 24 to verify your point.

Too hard for you to do?

Copy and paste!

4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

You can't do that?

 

[GeneZ]

Thank you for the FYI

Now let's get back to TRUTH = the Holy Scriptures

That was given to get you back to understanding the Scriptures.

You fluffed it right off.
How are you going to understand what John the Baptist was saying unless you understand the Jewish ancient customs for marriage?

 

[brightfame52]

This something that would make things clearer if we understood the following.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away;
behold, all things have become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17

The words "new creation" in the Greek means that the created thing never existed before.
He is a new species in creation!

Jews were not "church" until the day of Pentecost!
Before that time, they were living as Jews.

Jesus presented his messages to Jews as a rabbi.

False and you not listening to me, but the church has always been, its the seed of Abraham Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Paul is writing NT Believers that belong to Christ and Identifying them as Abrahams Seed and Heirs. What Heirs ? The same as these Heb 11:9

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

 

[brightfame52]

If you can accept it, the veil remains over your vision.

Blatant false comment and you dont care one bit

 

[David in NJ]

That was given to get you back to understanding the Scriptures.

You fluffed it right off.
How are you going to understand what John the Baptist was saying unless you understand the Jewish ancient customs for marriage?

I understand exactly what John the Baptist said = EXACTLY = "HE who has the Bride is the Bridegroom"

Simple grade school level sentence and comprehension.

 

[brightfame52]

I understand exactly what John the Baptist said = EXACTLY = "HE who has the Bride is the Bridegroom"

Simple grade school level sentence and comprehension.

Yep the Church, the Bride

 

[GeneZ]

False and you not listening to me, but the church has always been, its the seed of Abraham Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Paul is writing NT Believers that belong to Christ and Identifying them as Abrahams Seed and Heirs. What Heirs ? The same as these Heb 11:9

By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:

When he first believed?
Abraham began being saved as a what?
Abraham was saved while being a GENTILE!!!

Paul was telling the gentile believers that when they believed, it was the way of Abraham's faith!

It was not until much later, at age 99, that the Lord commanded Abraham to be circumcised.
That is when Abraham became the first Hebrew/Jew!

And, add to that?

In Galatians, Paul was mocking the very thought of gentile believers being circumcised!

Here!

In Galatians 5:12, Paul uses strong, even sarcastic language to criticize the insistence on circumcision for Gentile Christians by a group of false teachers (often referred to as Judaizers).

Meaning, the gentile believers were not replacing Jews.
Paul was saying that they were children of Abraham, as Abraham was when he was first believed while being a Gentile!
They became a type of gentile Abraham who walked with God!

I hope that sinks in.
Because you need to understand that badly.
The apostasy being promoted by some here is disastrous if you wish to do God's will and mature in Christ.


grace and peace!

 

[GeneZ]

I understand exactly what John the Baptist said = EXACTLY = "HE who has the Bride is the Bridegroom"

Simple grade school level sentence and comprehension.

When you get out of that level, maybe then we can reason together.

 

[GeneZ]

Yep the Church, the Bride

But John was saying he was not the bride.

 

[brightfame52]

When he first believed?
Abraham began being saved as a what?
Abraham was saved while being a GENTILE!!!

Paul was telling the gentile believers that when they believed, it was the way of Abraham's faith!

It was not until much later, at age 99, that the Lord commanded Abraham to be circumcised.
That is when Abraham became the first Hebrew/Jew!

And, add to that?

In Galatians, Paul was mocking the very thought of gentile believers being circumcised!

Here!

In Galatians 5:12, Paul uses strong, even sarcastic language to criticize the insistence on circumcision for Gentile Christians by a group of false teachers (often referred to as Judaizers).

Meaning, the gentile believers were not replacing Jews.
Paul was saying that they were children of Abraham, as Abraham was when he was first believed while being a Gentile!
They became a type of gentile Abraham who walked with God!

I hope that sinks in.
Because you need to understand that badly.
The apostasy being promoted by some here is disastrous if you wish to do God's will and mature in Christ.


grace and peace!

You've been deceived. I set it out plain for you

 

[brightfame52]

But John was saying he was not the bride.

You sound confused

 

[GeneZ]

You've been deceived. I set it out plain for you

That's your go-to, mind closed space.

 

[GeneZ]

You sound confused

I am the one being confused?
John was saying he was not the bride.
Are you confused about that?

He said he was the friend of the groom.
Meaning…
There will remain a future distinction in eternity between Jew and the rest.

One exception?
Church age.

For, in Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile.
No longer Jews nor gentiles...
That is the one exception.
Not the rule.

.

 

[brightfame52]

That's your go-to, mind closed space.

That's your go-to, mind closed space.

I took time to explain to you didnt i