Is it possible to lose salvation?

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1367 - The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit."

1368 - The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Holy Eucharist are one single sacrifice: "The victim is one and the same: the same now offers through the ministry of priests, who then offered himself on the cross; only the manner of offering is different." "And since in this divine sacrifice which is celebrated in the Mass, the same Christ who offered himself once in a bloody manner on the altar of the cross is contained and is offered in an unbloody manner . . . this sacrifice is truly propitiatory."

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Seriously ?

What's your problem with it? Jesus is crystal clear eat his flesh drink his blood and you'll have eternal life.

 

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could you post the source?

Ignatius
Aristides
Jesuits
St. Justin
Clement

And here are more Quote from Vaious Catholics that pretend that Mary has Spiritual Power to help, to redeem, and to comfort.

Total MaryCult nonsense.
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O sinner, be not discouraged, but have recourse to Mary in all you necessities. Call her to your assistance, for such is the divine Will that she should help in every kind of necessity."
- Saint Basil the Great

"If you invoke the blessed Virgin when you are tempted, she will come at once to your help, and Satan will leave you."
- Saint John Vianney

"If you ever feel distressed during your day, call upon our Lady, just say this simple prayer: 'Mary, Mother of Jesus, please be a mother to me now.' I must admit, this prayer has never failed me."
- Blessed Mother Teresa

"Let us run to Mary, and, as her little children, cast ourselves into her arms with a perfect confidence."
- Saint Francis de Sales

"The Son of God became man for our salvation but only in Mary and through Mary."
- Saint Louis Marie de Montfort

"The world being unworthy to receive the son of God directly from the hands of the Father, he gave his son to Mary for the world to receive him from her."
- Saint Augustine

"Even while living in the world, the heart of Mary was so filled with motherly tenderness and compassion for men that no-one ever suffered so much for their own pains, as Mary suffered for the pains of her children."
- Saint Jerome

 

[nedsk]

Ignatius
Aristides
Jesuits
St. Justin
Clement

And here are more Quote from Vaious Catholics that pretend that Mary has Spiritual Power to help, to redeem, and to comfort.

Total MaryCult nonsense.
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O sinner, be not discouraged, but have recourse to Mary in all you necessities. Call her to your assistance, for such is the divine Will that she should help in every kind of necessity."
- Saint Basil the Great

"If you invoke the blessed Virgin when you are tempted, she will come at once to your help, and Satan will leave you."
- Saint John Vianney

"If you ever feel distressed during your day, call upon our Lady, just say this simple prayer: 'Mary, Mother of Jesus, please be a mother to me now.' I must admit, this prayer has never failed me."
- Blessed Mother Teresa

"Let us run to Mary, and, as her little children, cast ourselves into her arms with a perfect confidence."
- Saint Francis de Sales

"The Son of God became man for our salvation but only in Mary and through Mary."
- Saint Louis Marie de Montfort

"The world being unworthy to receive the son of God directly from the hands of the Father, he gave his son to Mary for the world to receive him from her."
- Saint Augustine

"Even while living in the world, the heart of Mary was so filled with motherly tenderness and compassion for men that no-one ever suffered so much for their own pains, as Mary suffered for the pains of her children."
- Saint Jerome

Right, all in keeping with Mary's intercession at the wedding of Cana. Only the truth could make people this hateful

 

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Right all in keeping with Mary's intercession at the wedding of Cana. Only the truth could make people this hateful

@nedsk

You forgot to mention that not one Apostle and not one verse in any bible, states any of the "Mary Doctrine" that is the MaryCult "marian" theology.

"perpetual virgin"........= not found in a Bible

"Ascension of Mary"... = Not found in a Bible

"Mary as Co-Author of Salvation" = Not found in a bible.

'Praying to Mary".. = not found in a Bible

"Praying the Rosary" = not found in a Bible.

"Mary Feast Days". = Not found in a Bible

And on and on and on..........about MARY = NOT found IN A BIBLE.....>No Apostle, NOT ONE... teaches any of this MaryCult nonsense.
Its all created by CATHOLICS , and if you took Mary out of the MaryCult.......then the Catholic Church has a big HOLE in it, that proves its a CULT missing its Centerpiece.

 

[nedsk]

@nedsk

You forgot to mention that not one Apostle and not one verse in any bible, states any of the "Mary Doctrine" that is the MaryCult "marian" theology.

"perpetual virgin"........= not found in a Bible

"Ascension of Mary"... = Not found in a Bible

"Mary as Co-Author of Salvation" = Not found in a bible.

'Praying to Mary".. = not found in a Bible

"Praying the Rosary" = not found in a Bible.

"Mary Feast Days". = Not found in a Bible

And on and on and on..........about MARY = NOT found IN A BIBLE.....>No Apostle, NOT ONE... teaches any of this MaryCult nonsense.
Its all created by CATHOLICS , and if you took Mary out of the MaryCult.......then the Catholic Church has a big HOLE in it, that proves its a CULT missing its Centerpiece.

The wedding of cana, Mary intercedes and Jesus does as she tells him. It teaches us two things Mary is an intercessor and humility and obedience. It's funny though the devil can imitate humility but he can't imitate obedience.

 

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The wedding of cana, Mary intercedes and Jesus does as she tells him.

And if Mary received Christ as her Savior then Mary did what Jesus told her to do.

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[LoveYeshua]

The wedding of cana, Mary intercedes and Jesus does as she tells him. It teaches us two things Mary is an intercessor and humility and obedience. It's funny though the devil can imitate humility but he can't imitate obedience.

yes Mary asked Jesus who know he could not refuse as Jesus follows all the commandments honoring Mother and Father in this instance

The wedding at Cana (John 2:1–11) does show Jesus honouring His mother during His earthly ministry, but it does not teach that Mary is an intercessor from heaven. In that moment, Mary was physically present and simply informed Jesus of a need. Jesus’ response—“My hour has not yet come”—shows that He acted according to the Father’s will, not because He was under Mary’s authority.

Scripture is clear that after Jesus’ resurrection and ascension, He alone is our Mediator: “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). Nowhere in the Bible is Mary, or any other saint, given authority to intercede for us from heaven. When people tried to elevate Mary’s status while Jesus was teaching, He corrected them: “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it” (Luke 11:28).

As for humility and obedience—Jesus is the perfect example of both. He humbled Himself even to the point of death (Philippians 2:8) and obeyed the Father in all things (John 8:29). Our obedience, according to Jesus, is shown by keeping His commandments (John 14:15), not by placing our trust in any heavenly figure besides Him.

The devil can mimic outward humility to deceive, but true obedience—submission to God’s Word and will—cannot be faked before God. That is why our prayers and trust must go directly to the Father through Christ alone, not through any other mediator.

 

[nedsk]

And if Mary received Christ as her Savior then Mary did what Jesus told her to do.

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And if Mary received Christ as her Savior then Mary did what Jesus told her to do.

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She didnt need to receive Jesus as she was conceived without sin. Believe it or not God doesn't need to follow your rules. I know that's hard for you to wrap your head around. But anything Mary did she did of her own free will just as Jesus did. He was obedient but you can't bring yourself to be can you? Like I said the devil can imitate humility but he can't imitate obedience.

 

[nedsk]

yes Mary asked Jesus who know he could not refuse as Jesus follows all the commandments honoring Mother and Father in this instance

The wedding at Cana (John 2:1–11) does show Jesus honouring His mother during His earthly ministry, but it does not teach that Mary is an intercessor from heaven. In that moment, Mary was physically present and simply informed Jesus of a need. Jesus’ response—“My hour has not yet come”—shows that He acted according to the Father’s will, not because He was under Mary’s authority.

Scripture is clear that after Jesus’ resurrection and ascension, He alone is our Mediator: “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). Nowhere in the Bible is Mary, or any other saint, given authority to intercede for us from heaven. When people tried to elevate Mary’s status while Jesus was teaching, He corrected them: “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it” (Luke 11:28).

As for humility and obedience—Jesus is the perfect example of both. He humbled Himself even to the point of death (Philippians 2:8) and obeyed the Father in all things (John 8:29). Our obedience, according to Jesus, is shown by keeping His commandments (John 14:15), not by placing our trust in any heavenly figure besides Him.

The devil can mimic outward humility to deceive, but true obedience—submission to God’s Word and will—cannot be faked before God. That is why our prayers and trust must go directly to the Father through Christ alone, not through any other mediator.

That goes directly against what the wedding of cana teaches us. If Jesus can honor his mother so can I honor his mother. If Jesus can wash the feet of others so can I wash the feet of others. It all requires obedience.

 

[LoveYeshua]

That goes directly against what the wedding of cana teaches us. If Jesus can honor his mother so can I honor his mother. If Jesus can wash the feet of others so can I wash the feet of others. It all requires obedience.

when you wrote intercession ,many people use this to pray to "saints" in heaven, maybe I misunderstood, do you prey to saint in heaven? do you pray to Mary?

 

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She didnt need to receive Jesus as she was conceived without sin.

No Bible verse teaches that Mary was Sinless.
No Aposlte in any Bible teaches that Mary was sinless.

The only way that Mary could be sinless, is if God is her Father, and she was virgin born.

Mary's mohter was a sinner, and Mary's earthly Father is not God.
They were "conceived in Sin".. just like Mary........just like us all.

 

[nedsk]

when you wrote intercession ,many people use this to pray to "saints" in heaven, maybe I misunderstood, do you prey to saint in heaven? do you pray to Mary?

Yes. Tradition teaches us so

 

[nedsk]

No Bible verse teaches that Mary was Sinless.
No Aposlte in any Bible teaches that Mary was sinless.

The only way that Mary could be sinless, is if God is her Father, and she was virgin born.

Mary's mohter was a sinner, and Mary's earthly Father is not God.
They were "conceived in Sin".. just like Mary........just like us all.

Tradition does however. OSAS and the 2 solas are not biblical so save your bible only drivel for someone else.

 

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Yes. Tradition teaches us so

Catholic Tradition is not found in any Bible or in any bible Verse.

The NT does teache that "your Traditions have made the bible, of none effect".

""""you are nullifying and making void and of no effect [the authority of] the Word of God through your traditions, which you [in turn] pass on. And many things of this kind you are doing."""

 

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OSAS

OSAS is the subversion of the Gospel by 1st century Gnostics who mislead many into the idea that when God's Grace is taught correctly that this is teaching "Licence to sin".
So, OSAS, is designed to stop you from understanding the Gospel, and have in place of this understanding the idea that being "made free from sin"........and "made righteous".......is teaching that you can live in carnality.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So what is it ?

1. a "re-sacrifice" of Christ
2. or a "re-offering" of Christ’s sacrifice
3. or a “re-presentation” of Christ’s sacrifice

I think I understand John 6:22-71 quite different than you, the main theme is about v44, 65 and the proof in v70.

John 6:44 - No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:65 - And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
John 6:70 - Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the Twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.”

Complicated?
Yep.

No. We don’t “re-sacrifice Him. That would be heresy.

His was a once-for-all sacrifice (Heb. 9:12, Heb. 10:10). We must also remember that Jesus’s sacrifice is ETERNAL (Rev. 5:6). We re-present His once-for-all sacrifice and are brought to Calvary at every Mass.

At every Easter, Christians ALL over the world celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus, which happened ONCE. WHY does nobody questions this?

Complicated?
NOPE . . .

 

[nedsk]

Catholic Tradition is not found in any Bible or in any bible Verse.

The NT does teache that "your Traditions have made the bible, of none effect".

""""you are nullifying and making void and of no effect [the authority of] the Word of God through your traditions, which you [in turn] pass on. And many things of this kind you are doing."""

It is and it found in the earliest days of the church. The fathers defended from heresies the faith you now claim to "teach". You're laughable

 

[nedsk]

OSAS is the subversion of the Gospel by 1st century Gnostics who mislead many into the idea that when God's Grace is taught correctly that this is teaching "Licence to sin".
So, OSAS, is designed to stop you from understanding the Gospel, and have in place of this understanding the idea that being "made free from sin"........and "made righteous".......is teaching that you can live in carnality.

You're a current century perversion of the gospel

 

[BreadOfLife]

@nedsk
You forgot to mention that not one Apostle and not one verse in any bible, states any of the "Mary Doctrine" that is the MaryCult "marian" theology.
"perpetual virgin"........= not found in a Bible

"Ascension of Mary"... = Not found in a Bible

"Mary as Co-Author of Salvation" = Not found in a bible.

'Praying to Mary".. = not found in a Bible

"Praying the Rosary" = not found in a Bible.

"Mary Feast Days". = Not found in a Bible

And on and on and on..........about MARY = NOT found IN A BIBLE.....>No Apostle, NOT ONE... teaches any of this MaryCult nonsense.
Its all created by CATHOLICS , and if you took Mary out of the MaryCult.......then the Catholic Church has a big HOLE in it, that proves its a CULT missing its Centerpiece.

Hmmmmm . . . .

Non Catholic doctrines and practices NOT found in the Bible:

- Sola Scripture – The Bible is out SOLE Authority

- Eternal Security (“Once Saved, Always Saved”)

- Born-again believers can't sin

- Altar Calls

- A Pre-Trib “Rapture”

- Denominations

- Accepting Christ as personal Lord and Savior

- Limited Atonement

- Imputed righteousness

ALWAYS remember, son -
The Bible came out of the Church – and NOT the other way around . . . .

 

[GodsGrace]

these types of texts are the reason I now rarely go outside scripture unless necessary as for the cannibal Christians they were simply cannibals and without any morals no christian would kill another to eat human flesh. ( I do not mean here I do not believe what you wrote) as for believing the Eucharist is the flesh and blood of Christ as an ex catholic we were taught they were symbols done in remembrance if I remember correctly.

Those that were taught by the Apostles believed they were nourishing themselves on the body and blood of Christ.
This is not a salvific issue so I don't like to pursue it.

Re the CC's teaching:
The CC teaches that the eucharist IS the body and blood of Jesus...NOT A SYMBOL...
SOME protestant denominations believe it's a symbol.
Some believe in the Real Presence.
Martin Luther believed it was the body and blood...
interesting how we've gotten away from that through the years.

Jesus revealed something much deeper—that He Himself is the “bread of life” sent from heaven.

Agreed.
The bread that does not rot after one day and must constantly be renewed.
The Exodus.
The living manna.

When Jesus said, “Whoever feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day”, many were shocked. They understood His words only in a physical sense, imagining that He meant eating His literal body and drinking His literal blood. For the Jewish people, this was offensive and unthinkable, because God’s law strictly forbade the drinking of blood (Leviticus 17:14). They did not understand that Jesus was speaking about a spiritual reality.

Correct.
But He did not back down...
He doubled up and asked who else would leave Him...

His flesh points to His body that would be given up on the cross—a life offered in sacrifice for the world. His blood represents the new covenant and forgiveness of sins that would come through His death. This connects to the Passover in Exodus, where the lamb’s body was eaten and its blood was a sign that saved Israel from death. Jesus is now the true Passover Lamb, and His blood saves from eternal death.

Correct.
The Passover lamb WAS EATEN.
And the blood on the doorways saved them from death.

To “feed” on His flesh and “drink” His blood means to fully receive Him into the deepest part of our lives. It means believing in His sacrifice, trusting His words, obeying His teachings, and depending on Him daily for spiritual strength. Just as we cannot live physically without food and drink, we cannot have spiritual life without continually coming to Him. This is not a one-time act, but an ongoing relationship of faith and closeness—what Jesus calls abiding in Him.

I agree and it also means this.
I used to also believe it was purely spiritual in nature....
I've come to believe it's more than spiritual.

When He says, “Whoever feeds on My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him”, He describes a deep union between Himself and the believer. His life becomes our life, and we share in His Spirit. And because of this union, He promises, “I will raise him up on the last day”—meaning we will be resurrected to eternal life with Him.

Agreed.

Many in the crowd could not accept this teaching. John 6:60 tells us they said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?” and verse 66 says many turned back and no longer followed Him. They stumbled because they focused on the physical meaning, missing the spiritual truth. But those who stayed, like Peter, remained because they knew that Jesus alone had “the words of eternal life” (John 6:68), even if they did not fully understand everything yet.

Could be.

For those who do believe, this passage is one of the greatest promises in Scripture—that by truly receiving Jesus, trusting in His sacrifice, and living in daily fellowship with Him, we have eternal life now, and the assurance that He will raise us up on the last day to be with Him forever.

Blessings

Amen brother.
As I said,,,this is not something I'm willing to debate.
Transubstantiation COULD BE reality.
I leave to each one of us to believe as he will.