WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

[GodsGrace]

You dont understands who or what Christ is. Christ isnt a man at all, Christ is Gods anointing to have His same Spirit, disposition of mind. Jesus was Christ because he was anointed of it and that didnt happen until he was about 30 years old. Same anointing from God as his Mother received which was Christ in her, Adam Abraham Moses, 120 all were anointed of Christos to receive from God His spiritual seed that He puts within man. Christ in me is the same One who was in Christ Jesus. We are Christs and Christ is Gods.


Then you are not His bride are you!


Good is a Spirit and He creates all who will receive Him to be in His same image that He creates man to be. It has nothing at all to do with the mortal man other than the House that God Who is a Spirit resides in. It may not be with you as Jesus said it is in Luke 17:20-21, but it is me.


All men are from the earth and obviously Adam was not the first man on earth. His own son went into the land of Nod and took a wife. Adam was just the first to recognize who God really is.


From the same S[pirit of God who came to Adam and he became like the God who is a Spirit did these come by.


Yes just as Jesus came from his parents Mary and Joseph. And just as you came from your parents, son of man.


Every person on this planet including Jesus are virgin to Gods Spirit, and not one is born with it not even Jesus proven in Matt 3:16 when God came to that man by the Spirit that He is and opens up in Jesus, opens up in Mary, Adam Abraham< Moses 120 who He is and all of His heaven in us by that very same Spirit. He hasn't come to you that you would understand the spirit that He is, all that you see of a god is flesh, the carnal understanding that comes by flesh and not Spirit.


I see so Gods Spirit didn not come to them like a mighty russing wind? You sure do like to try and denote who God is. Why? Because you are in favor of your own god that you can control and dictate your own yay to instead of being of the One of Love that God simply is and man is the temple of Him. SO simple and you make it so hard.

There is so much that you could learn about Spirit if you would actually listen to Jesus in who he said you would be in the Father. And every stipulation that Jesus pronounced comes with an IF. Only if, but you only refuse to learn from God Himself what this is all about, you have a better way then His.

Christ, Gods anointing in man, is humiliating to the the temper of mind that looks upon God through a belief instead of the reality of being in the presences of God with Christ in you as your own mind, anointed of God, not anointed of mans doctrines for a belief about a god.

Just look at yourself at the rebellion to be like Him where you state His ways in Spirit is is false doctrine even though I copy and past who Jesus said he was in God that you actually are accusing him of blaspheme and he didnt mean what he said about his God who he said sent him to show you the way you are supposed to be in the same God that he was of. You read what Jesus said then actually call him a liar.

God demands that you have His same Spirit of mind, which is the mind of Christ, anointed of God. And the moment that you stop debatioin with God about Him being flesh instead of Spirit as you are doing, is the moment that He comes to you and reveals Himself where the Spirit of God witnesses to the redemption of our Lord, and He does not witness to anything else. It isnt that God won't reveal Himself in you, it is that He cant because you refuse to let Him as Jesus let Him in Matt 3:16 and all these others who let Him and they to became like Him.

If God is to regenerate your mind, born again, to have His same Spirit of mind, Christ in you, it is you that He is up against.

I've joined a thread on this topic and have tagged you in.

Also @Behold.

Please continue this discussion there.

This is too off topic.
If you continue here I'll request that this thread be locked due to continued derailment.

Thanks.

 

[Gary Mac]

I've joined a thread on this topic and have tagged you in.

Also @Behold.

Please continue this discussion there.

This is too off topic.
If you continue here I'll request that this thread be locked due to continued derailment.

Thanks.

How do I find it?

 

[Fred J]

Friends, please do not elevate Mary beyond what she's not based on Biblical context and sound doctrine

Not as what the CC have done out of context and man made traditions, whilst venerating her as a 'mother' and 'deity' like pagans.

She need not nor able to come back alive to warn these heretic false churches and false doctrines.

For the Holy Bible and it's discipled living servants on earth are enough to 'warn' and 'expose' them to 'repent'.

Biblically, Mary will be always remembered as the 'blessed woman among all other women', who conceived the 'Lord'.

She's chosen for that task and she complied as a 'servant' for that task, and not as a 'queen' or 'deity', or a 'mother of the church'.

In the Gospel, after Jesus was 30 and began His ministry, He did not address, acknowledge nor welcome Mary as His mother.

She had no anointing in her compared to the 12 disciples who are chosen, unable to perceive her Son's standing and quest.

Until there came a time she became one of the women followers who by their own means provided for Jesus and His disciples.

Then at the Cross Jesus finally made her the mother of Apostle John and she died the mother of John.

After the day of Pentecost, from the book of Acts to the book of Revelation, she's not mentioned at all.

Even is not mentioned scripturally that she's been taken up alive like Enoch and Elijah, nor even dead and resurrected, and taken.

According to wisdom given us and to the sound doctrine of the Holy Bible, she'll rise with the dead in Christ shall rise in the 'first resurrection'.

Remember, 'servants are no greater than the Master of the house', whilst Moses is the 'builder' of GOD's house, while Jesus is the 'Owner' of that house.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Gary Mac]

Friends, please do not elevate Mary beyond what she's not based on Biblical context and sound doctrine

Not as what the CC have done out of context and man made traditions, whilst venerating her as a 'mother' and 'deity' like pagans.

She need not nor able to come back alive to warn these heretic false churches and false doctrines.

For the Holy Bible and it's discipled living servants on earth are enough to 'warn' and 'expose' them to 'repent'.

Biblically, Mary will be always remembered as the 'blessed woman among all other women', who conceived the 'Lord'.

She's chosen for that task and she complied as a 'servant' for that task, and not as a 'queen' or 'deity', or a 'mother of the church'.

In the Gospel, after Jesus was 30 and began His ministry, He did not address, acknowledge nor welcome Mary as His mother.

She had no anointing in her compared to the 12 disciples who are chosen, unable to perceive her Son's standing and quest.

Until there came a time she became one of the women followers who by their own means provided for Jesus and His disciples.

Then at the Cross Jesus finally made her the mother of Apostle John and she died the mother of John.

After the day of Pentecost, from the book of Acts to the book of Revelation, she's not mentioned at all.

Even is not mentioned scripturally that she's been taken up alive like Enoch and Elijah, nor even dead and resurrected, and taken.

According to wisdom given us and to the sound doctrine of the Holy Bible, she'll rise with the dead in Christ shall rise in the 'first resurrection'.

Remember, 'servants are no greater than the Master of the house', whilst Moses is the 'builder' of GOD's house, while Jesus is the 'Owner' of that house.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.

As for me -- God is the builder of His house and man is His house, the place God resides within it. Luke 17:20-21. The kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is with me. I am the place He resides, just as Jesus was the place He resides and all who Hod has made His abode within.

John 14:16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 

[GodsGrace]

How do I find it?

You'll get an alert stating that someone MENTIONED you in a thread.
I'll do this again.

 

[doctrox]

You sure do make a lot of ASSUMPTIONS doctrox.
You seem to be obsessed with those that were taught by the Apostles.
Shame.

O contraire; you call the kettle black aka gaslighting.

I was hoping to broaden your horizons, but to no avail.

Not to worry; as I bow to The King and not to you.

Please do not derail this thread any further re this topic.

You've done that quite well on your own, as noted by others.

Thanks.

No problem.

I shall take leave of "your" thread.

 

[Waiting on him]

This is John 3:5 NASB
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless * one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot * enter into the kingdom of God.


Some believe water to be:
The word of God
Baptismal water
Natural birth

There might be other understandings that are not listed.

I tend to go with either natural birth or baptismal water.
Either can seem correct to me.

Please state what you believe and why.
Appreciated...

The water is a reference to the veil.

 

[Muna]

Today I have learned that "sin is not sin" and "water is not water".

 

[Waiting on him]

Today I have learned that "sin is not sin" and "water is not water".

Here’s one more the lamb of God is a reference to a man.

 

[Muna]

Here’s one more the lamb of God is a reference to a man.

You stole that one from John

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him,
and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

 

[Gary Mac]

Today I have learned that "sin is not sin" and "water is not water".

Sin as in laws of killing stealing, chasing the neighbors wife isnt sin, only results from sin which simply is separation from Gods Spirit of Love be your own mind, disposition of. And that is the only sin God recognizes and cannot forgive of.

And water gives life, cant live without it, just as one cant live the life of the Father without His Spirit be your own spirit of mind, which is Love, His life giving rivers of water that flows out from all who are as He is in Love.

 

[Muna]

Sin as in laws of killing stealing, chasing the neighbors wife isnt sin, only results from sin which simply is separation from Gods Spirit of Love be your own mind, disposition of. And that is the only sin God recognizes and cannot forgive of.

And water gives life, cant live without it, just as one cant live the life of the Father without His Spirit be your own spirit of mind, which is Love, His life giving rivers of water that flows out from all who are as He is in Love.

I was speaking of this verse

1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

There are certain people who deny that actually says, "sin not"

When it comes to a veil, it says,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,
through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

I don't understand how through the veil means water

So I learned to disregard both verses today.

 

[Gary Mac]

I was speaking of this verse

1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

There are certain people who deny that actually says, "sin not"

When it comes to a veil, it says,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,
through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

I don't understand how through the veil means water

So I learned to disregard both verses today.

I was speaking of this verse

1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

There are certain people who deny that actually says, "sin not"

When it comes to a veil, it says,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,
through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

I don't understand how through the veil means water

So I learned to disregard both verses today.

Thank you, I do understand.

 

[Gary Mac]

You stole that one from John

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him,
and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

And John told Jesus there is One coming after me Who I cannot give you, and look what happened. The One John could not give Jesus came down from heaven and opened in Jesus who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus. John could not give Jesus that at all. Jesus went on to say that ye must be born again with that same renewing of mind that he received from God Himself that we must receive the same from the Father Himself. John knew what was about to happen in Jesus before Jesus did and stated it.

 

[Waiting on him]

And John told Jesus there is One coming after me Who I cannot give you, and look what happened. The One John could not give Jesus came down from heaven and opened in Jesus who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus. John could not give Jesus that at all. Jesus went on to say that ye must be born again with that same renewing of mind that he received from God Himself that we must receive the same from the Father Himself. John knew what was about to happen in Jesus before Jesus did and stated it.

Then Jesus was carried away into the wilderness where he was tempted of Satan.

I remember a time when I read this, and in my mind I could see this creature/literal devil tempting Jesus in the twilight of a vast creepy wilderness. Now I understand that it was an allegorical reference to his three year ministry. The Pharisees constantly tempting and trying to provoke Jesus. I’ve come to understand that this is what Satan is.

 

[GodsGrace]

The water is a reference to the veil.

What is "the veil" ?

 

[GodsGrace]

I was speaking of this verse

1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

There are certain people who deny that actually says, "sin not"

When it comes to a veil, it says,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,
through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

I don't understand how through the veil means water

So I learned to disregard both verses today.

How many other verses are you going to disregard Truly !

We're supposed to synchronize, harmonize, reconcile, the verses
NOT disregard them.

 

[Waiting on him]

it’s the covering.

 

[Gary Mac]

Then Jesus was carried away into the wilderness where he was tempted of Satan.

I remember a time when I read this, and in my mind I could see this creature/literal devil tempting Jesus in the twilight of a vast creepy wilderness. Now I understand that it was an allegorical reference to his three year ministry. The Pharisees constantly tempting and trying to provoke Jesus. I’ve come to understand that this is what Satan is.

Yes, spiritual you have come to His knowledge. Ironic is the very same one tries to prove we who has received from God the very same as they did Jesus when he received God in Matt 3:16. They cannot relate to the God who is a Spirit and man is the kingdom in which He lives, and that us the very same as those of Jesus day treated him, so obvious in this very forum. We who has from God the same mind be in us who was in Christ Jesus is a threat to their religious beliefs and they just refuse to give ups their own ideas for a god and receive from the same One as Jesus received from.

Noting at all has changed in that from Adam to this day. Man like to dominate his own ideas for a god instead of repenting from their ways to receive Love that the One true God is.

 

[Gary Mac]

I was speaking of this verse

1 Cr 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

There are certain people who deny that actually says, "sin not"

When it comes to a veil, it says,

Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,
through the veil, that is to say, his flesh

I don't understand how through the veil means water

So I learned to disregard both verses today.

It isnt an issue of not trying to sin, but is an issue of if one is born of God it is impossible to be in sin. 1 John 3:9.

Trying not to sin by following the law, you will fail miserably every time. If one is born of God, born again, those laws are fulfilled in you and who you actually become without any effort at all. It is the natural way of God, the unnatural way is by only trying.