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Funny stuff Taken.

The super bowl was first called the Super Bowl in 1969.
It used to be called The AFL-NFL World Championship §Game.

Just like THE CHURCH:
It was first called
THE WAY

Appropriate.
Jesus Himself said He IS The Way

Then
CHRISTIANITY

Christ-IAN…A Term coined BY “Unbelievers”, speaking ABOUT men who Believed and FOLLOWED Christs Teaching.

Christ-IAN (Followers) -ITY (degree/ state of Commitment).

Then
In 105AD it was called The Catholic Church by St. Ignatius of Antioch...a disciple of both Peter and John.
Katholika Ekklesia

By Many, Agree.
By a Few, No.

And know why?

Hi-jacked.

To distinguish it as the TRUE CHURCH from other Christian groups that were emerging that taught HERESIES.

You say “distinguish”
I say “trick”.

Gods Word NEVER taught…For Living People to pray TO or FOR Dead people, to Supersede OR Co- Equal Christ Jesus “intercessory” Position, between a man and God.

AND
We have the Catholic Church to thank if we're on this Forum posting....
or the Christian faith would have been long gone.

You can Thank whom you please…
I am confidant, had no man ever YIELDED to men, calling himself Catholic… Gods Word would be spread around the World.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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The Bread of Life, the Blood of Atonement, and the Secret Hidden Since the Manna in the Wilderness

When Jesus said in John 6:53–57, “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you… Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life,” He was not speaking about physically chewing His body or literally drinking His blood. From the very beginning of Scripture, God gave His people the meaning of blood, bread, and drink in a way that shows His words must be understood spiritually.

In Leviticus 17:11, God said, “The life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls.” Blood was sacred because it represented life itself, which belongs to God. That’s why in Deuteronomy 12:23, the Lord commanded, “The blood is the life; you may not eat the life with the meat.” This means that when Jesus told His followers to “drink His blood,” He was not asking them to break God’s law. He was using the symbolism of blood to point to His life poured out for them on the cross — life that they must receive in order to be saved.

This same chapter already gives us the key to understanding His words. In John 6:35, Jesus says plainly, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” Here “eating” is the same as coming to Him, and “drinking” is the same as believing in Him. These are spiritual actions, not physical ones. Later, in John 6:63, He makes this even clearer: “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.” If it were about physical flesh and blood, the flesh would profit something — but Jesus says it is the Spirit that gives life.

The Old Testament also used “eating” and “drinking” as pictures of receiving God’s truth and life. Jeremiah 15:16 says, “Your words were found, and I ate them, and Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart.” In Ezekiel 3:1–3, God told the prophet to eat a scroll as a vision of receiving His message deep within. These were not literal meals, but symbolic ways of showing that God’s Word must be taken into the heart.

Jesus also tied His teaching to one of Israel’s most famous miracles — the manna in the wilderness. In Exodus 16, God fed His people with bread from heaven so they would not die of hunger. Psalm 78:24–25 says, “He rained down manna on them to eat, and gave them of the bread of heaven. Men ate angels’ food; He sent them food to the full.” Yet even though they ate this heavenly bread, they still died physically. In John 6:49–50, Jesus says, “Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.” By calling Himself the true bread from heaven, He was showing that He is the fulfillment of the manna — the one who gives eternal life, not just daily sustenance.

At the cross, the meaning of His words became complete. In John 19:34, a Roman soldier pierced Jesus’ side, “and immediately blood and water came out.” This was a real event, but it carried deep symbolism. The blood fulfilled Leviticus 17:11, showing His life given as atonement for sin. The water points to cleansing and the gift of the Holy Spirit, as promised in Ezekiel 36:25–27 and explained by Jesus in John 4:14, “The water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” Both blood and water flowing from His side showed that His death brought both forgiveness and new spiritual life.

This imagery was also given a visible form at the Last Supper. In Matthew 26:26–28, “Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, ‘Take, eat; this is My body.’ Then He took the cup… saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.’” He used bread and wine — ordinary physical elements — as symbols of His body and blood, pointing to His coming sacrifice. Just as bread and drink sustain physical life, His sacrifice sustains eternal life for all who believe. The Last Supper mirrors John 6 in symbolic meaning: to “eat” and “drink” is to receive Him fully, to trust in His sacrifice, and to live through Him.

So when we see Jesus saying “I am the bread of life” in John 6, giving His body as bread at the Last Supper, shedding blood and water at the cross, and recalling the manna from heaven in the wilderness, all these moments are connected. They form one complete picture:


  • He is the true bread from heaven — the only source of eternal life.
  • His blood is His life given for our atonement.
  • Receiving Him means believing in Him, trusting His sacrifice, and letting His Spirit live in us.
To miss the symbolism is to risk misunderstanding His teaching. Jesus was not speaking of a physical act that gives life, but of a spiritual reality that must be entered into by faith. To “eat His flesh” and “drink His blood” is to accept His life and death on our behalf, remain in Him, and let His life become ours, so that on the last day, He will raise us up as He promised.

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The most human thing that we do is to reject Authority.
It’s been going on since the Garden of Eden.

Jesus gave His Church the Authority to teach what He taught them – and they wrote much of it down.
With the guidance of the Holy Spirit, He gave that Church the Authority to compile and decide which writings belong in it.

It was rebellious men who decided to reject these teachings and teach themselves. One of the worst blunders they taught was that this collection of writings was our “Sole Authority” – something that the Bible itself doesn’t teach . They also taught that everybody should interpret Scripture for themselves.

And, like a game of “Telephone”, you get so many different versions of the Truth – until the Truth is
lost . . .
Where is His Church, still have not found it yet and still looking, None that I know follows the teachings of Christ.
 

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“Sole Authority” is your quoted words… Not my obligation to explain what YOU say.



Works for me.



I have attested, and enjoy the Blessings God gives me.
If your needs are not met, than would be “your” issue.




Christ is the Authority of His Church.
Christ (Power of God) Jesus (Word of God) IS the ROCK of His Church.
Christs Church are His People.
Christs People “are” His People;
“Because Such People Vowed a Commitment of Belief, TO Him, IN Him.”

You want to put your BELIEF and VOWED SUBMISSION “TO earthly men”…
That IS YOUR FREEWILL to do so.




Yes.
Not a big Secret…Men do Speak Truths and Lies.

God Approved Scripture to BE a Trustworthy Source to Verify what “earthly men teach and preach”.

I do not care IF Scripture “IS Not a sufficient, Trustworthy Source for Verification, For You”.
"Profitable"and "helpful" does not mean only (sola). You realize that right?
 

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As soon as you exegete the verses I gaqve you I will be more than happy to show you those verses you posted.
Lol...thanks ronald. I asked you first sooooooo as a common courtesy and COMMON SENSE to have a fruitful conversation.....you should answer first.
 

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"Profitable"and "helpful" does not mean only (sola). You realize that right?

Listen,

noone here is doubting that the MaryCult is not built on the word of God, the Holy Bible.
We know this.....so, you dont have to keep proving it.
We know that the MaryCult, created the idea of Peter as the 1st Pope, that is not found in any bible.
We know that the MaryCult has designated Mary as many things, that the bible does not teach, or infer.
We know that the MaryCult has replaced Paul's Gospel with "water baptism is necessary for salavation'. (Baptismal Regeneration).

So, we understand that Catholics who are defined as "Fathers", after Jesus said to call "no man on earth your Father".......have created teachings outside of the Bible that are the MaryCult Traditions that have replaced it in the mind of Catholics.

WE know.
You dont have to keep proving it @nedsk
 

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Listen,

noone here is doubting that the MaryCult is not built on the word of God, the Holy Bible.
We know this.....so, you dont have to keep proving it.
We know that the MaryCult, created the idea of Peter as the 1st Pope, that is not found in any bible.
We know that the MaryCult has designated Mary as many things, that the bible does not teach, or infer.
We know that the MaryCult has replaced Paul's Gospel with "water baptism is necessary for salavation'. (Baptismal Regeneration).

So, we understand that Catholics who are defined as "Fathers", after Jesus said to call "no man on earth your Father".......have created teachings outside of the Bible that are the MaryCult Traditions that have replaced it in the mind of Catholics.

WE know.
You dont have to keep proving it @nedsk
LMBO you're funny.

The church fathers give us a picture of what the earliest days of the church looked like. The father's defended the faith you know pretend to "teach". The buffoonery you spew out here every day was not taught. You're a follower of Luther. The only thing that could make someone as angry as you are at the church is truth that the church represents. Keep attacking it's fine. As I've told you before I don't hold you in any positive regard so anything you say is an error at best and completely ignore that worse.
 

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It illustrates people in Heaven interceding on OUR behalf by taking OUR prayers to God as "golden bowls of incense".
Your conclusion is man made based on your Roman teachings. They are not going to god for us- they re merely taking our prayers. Interceding means going to someone and entreating them on behalf of another- the saints are not dsoing that! Even your feeble attempt at redefining interceding fails here
You ALSO dodged my questions and never answered them:
1. Can YOU show me where the Bible says that we are ONLY yo adhere to what is in the Bible??
2.
What did the Christians do for the first 300 years of the Church when there was NO Canon of Scripture??
1. anything that does not contradict the teachings of Scripture can be obeyed. If the dictate contradicts Scripture we are to reject and resist it at all costs.

2. they relied on all the writings of which many became Scripture and the teachings passed down from pastor to pastor.

But now that Rome no longer condemns bible reading and we have the closed canon of Scripture, Scripture contains all we need to lead godly and right lives before god.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.(Scripture)

Now you need to show where we are allowed to obey extra biblical material that would oppose Scripture.
 

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“Sole Authority” is your quoted words… Not my obligation to explain what YOU say.
Soooo, you don’t believe that Scripture is our sole Authority??
Works for me.
I have attested, and enjoy the Blessings God gives me.
If your needs are not met, than would be “your” issue.
Scripture is and authoritative PART of the full package that God has equipped us with – which includes the Authority of His CHURCH.
Christ is the Authority of His Church.
Christ (Power of God) Jesus (Word of God) IS the ROCK of His Church.
Christs Church are His People.
Christs People “are” His People;
“Because Such People Vowed a Commitment of Belief, TO Him, IN Him.”

You want to put your BELIEF and VOWED SUBMISSION “TO earthly men”…
That IS YOUR FREEWILL to do so.
Matt. 18:15-18
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the CHURCH.
If he refuses to listen even to the CHURCH, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Yes.
Not a big Secret…Men do Speak Truths and Lies.

God Approved Scripture to BE a Trustworthy Source to Verify what “earthly men teach and preach”.
I do not care IF Scripture “IS Not a sufficient, Trustworthy Source for Verification, For You”.
Absolutely. He just never gave it SOLE Authority over the Church as YOU believe
 

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Lol...thanks ronald. I asked you first sooooooo as a common courtesy and COMMON SENSE to have a fruitful conversation.....you should answer first.
I will when you repost them, for I realize you will need more time to craft a response to the ones I posed to you.
 

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Where is His Church, still have not found it yet and still looking, None that I know follows the teachings of Christ.
And what would those teachings BE that aren’t being taught?
 

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Your conclusion is man made based on your Roman teachings. They are not going to god for us- they re merely taking our prayers. Interceding means going to someone and entreating them on behalf of another- the saints are not dsoing that! Even your feeble attempt at redefining interceding fails here

1. anything that does not contradict the teachings of Scripture can be obeyed. If the dictate contradicts Scripture we are to reject and resist it at all costs.

2. they relied on all the writings of which many became Scripture and the teachings passed down from pastor to pastor.

But now that Rome no longer condemns bible reading and we have the closed canon of Scripture, Scripture contains all we need to lead godly and right lives before god.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.(Scripture)

Now you need to show where we are allowed to obey extra biblical material that would oppose Scripture.
Like Mary interceded at the wedding of cans and Jesus did as she said.

Paul says remember the traditions you were taught either by word of mouth or letters from us. Now you show us what traditions he was talking about. Be specific and use Scripture.
 

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The Bread of Life, the Blood of Atonement, and the Secret Hidden Since the Manna in the Wilderness

When Jesus said in John 6:53–57, “Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you… Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life,” He was not speaking about physically chewing His body or literally drinking His blood. From the very beginning of Scripture, God gave His people the meaning of blood, bread, and drink in a way that shows His words must be understood spiritually.

In Leviticus 17:11, God said, “The life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls.” Blood was sacred because it represented life itself, which belongs to God. That’s why in Deuteronomy 12:23, the Lord commanded, “The blood is the life; you may not eat the life with the meat.” This means that when Jesus told His followers to “drink His blood,” He was not asking them to break God’s law. He was using the symbolism of blood to point to His life poured out for them on the cross — life that they must receive in order to be saved.

This same chapter already gives us the key to understanding His words. In John 6:35, Jesus says plainly, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.” Here “eating” is the same as coming to Him, and “drinking” is the same as believing in Him. These are spiritual actions, not physical ones. Later, in John 6:63, He makes this even clearer: “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.” If it were about physical flesh and blood, the flesh would profit something — but Jesus says it is the Spirit that gives life.

The Old Testament also used “eating” and “drinking” as pictures of receiving God’s truth and life. Jeremiah 15:16 says, “Your words were found, and I ate them, and Your word was to me the joy and rejoicing of my heart.” In Ezekiel 3:1–3, God told the prophet to eat a scroll as a vision of receiving His message deep within. These were not literal meals, but symbolic ways of showing that God’s Word must be taken into the heart.

Jesus also tied His teaching to one of Israel’s most famous miracles — the manna in the wilderness. In Exodus 16, God fed His people with bread from heaven so they would not die of hunger. Psalm 78:24–25 says, “He rained down manna on them to eat, and gave them of the bread of heaven. Men ate angels’ food; He sent them food to the full.” Yet even though they ate this heavenly bread, they still died physically. In John 6:49–50, Jesus says, “Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.” By calling Himself the true bread from heaven, He was showing that He is the fulfillment of the manna — the one who gives eternal life, not just daily sustenance.

At the cross, the meaning of His words became complete. In John 19:34, a Roman soldier pierced Jesus’ side, “and immediately blood and water came out.” This was a real event, but it carried deep symbolism. The blood fulfilled Leviticus 17:11, showing His life given as atonement for sin. The water points to cleansing and the gift of the Holy Spirit, as promised in Ezekiel 36:25–27 and explained by Jesus in John 4:14, “The water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.” Both blood and water flowing from His side showed that His death brought both forgiveness and new spiritual life.

This imagery was also given a visible form at the Last Supper. In Matthew 26:26–28, “Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, ‘Take, eat; this is My body.’ Then He took the cup… saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.’” He used bread and wine — ordinary physical elements — as symbols of His body and blood, pointing to His coming sacrifice. Just as bread and drink sustain physical life, His sacrifice sustains eternal life for all who believe. The Last Supper mirrors John 6 in symbolic meaning: to “eat” and “drink” is to receive Him fully, to trust in His sacrifice, and to live through Him.

So when we see Jesus saying “I am the bread of life” in John 6, giving His body as bread at the Last Supper, shedding blood and water at the cross, and recalling the manna from heaven in the wilderness, all these moments are connected. They form one complete picture:


  • He is the true bread from heaven — the only source of eternal life.
  • His blood is His life given for our atonement.
  • Receiving Him means believing in Him, trusting His sacrifice, and letting His Spirit live in us.
To miss the symbolism is to risk misunderstanding His teaching. Jesus was not speaking of a physical act that gives life, but of a spiritual reality that must be entered into by faith. To “eat His flesh” and “drink His blood” is to accept His life and death on our behalf, remain in Him, and let His life become ours, so that on the last day, He will raise us up as He promised.

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What Christ meant was that they had to perform the Bread and Wine Ritual. Now through the centuries there have been different interpretations of what He meant by to eat His body and drink His blood to be saved….Yeshua explained this in detail in John chapter 6…. 52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

Now when Christ used the phrase “truly, truly it had a meaning of exactness. More physical than symbolic. Of course His body and blood had a divine meaning and affect. And how this manifested in the Bread and Wine Ritual is a matter of opinion….Is the Bread and Wine Ritual a miracle? And some believe that the Ritual and even Baptism is only symbolic or just for show.

But Christ words do not describe it as simply symbolic or just for show….His description is serious and salvation hinged on it. And the people He was talking to understood it to be serious and found it offensive enough His Apostles where concerned about it and a lot of His disciples left Him.
 
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What Christ meant was that they had to perform the Bread and Wine Ritual. Now through the centuries there have been different interpretations of what He meant by to eat His body and drink His blood to be saved….Yeshua explained this in detail in John chapter 6…. 52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever.”

Now when Christ used the phrase “truly, truly it had a meaning of exactness. More physical than symbolic. Of course His body and blood had a divine meaning and affect. And how this manifested in the Bread and Wine Ritual is a matter of opinion….Is the Bread and Wine Ritual a miracle? And some believe that the Ritual and even Baptism is only symbolic or just for show.

But Christ words do not describe it as simply symbolic or just for show….His description is serious and salvation hinged on it. And the people He was talking to understood it to be serious and found it offensive enough His Apostles where concerned about it and a lot of His disciples left Him.

Institution of the Lord's Supper​

Luk 22:14 When the hour had come, Jesus reclined at the table with His apostles.

Luk 22:15 And He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before My suffering.

Luk 22:16 For I tell you that I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Luk 22:17 After taking the cup, He gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves.

Luk 22:18 For I tell you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”

Luk 22:19 And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

Luk 22:20 In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.


Luk 22:21 Look! The hand of My betrayer is with Mine on the table.

Luk 22:22 Indeed, the Son of Man will go as it has been determined, but woe to that man who betrays Him.”

Luk 22:23 Then they began to question among themselves which of them was going to do this.
 

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Your conclusion is man made based on your Roman teachings. They are not going to god for us- they re merely taking our prayers. Interceding means going to someone and entreating them on behalf of another- the saints are not dsoing that! Even your feeble attempt at redefining interceding fails here
Rev. 5:8
And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.


This is the very picture of intercession. If it’s NOT – why are they carrying our prayers and taking them to the
Lamb??
1. anything that does not contradict the teachings of Scripture can be obeyed. If the dictate contradicts Scripture we are to reject and resist it at all costs.

2. they relied on all the writings of which many became Scripture and the teachings passed down from pastor to pastor.
No - it was passed down from Bishop to Bishop . . .

They had a CHURCH to guide them – the SAME Church that eventually compiled and declared the Canon of Scripture in the 4th century. This was the Catholic Church. And because people rebelled against His Church - we no have thousands of sects that ALL teach different doctrines based on the individual interpretations of their founders who ALL claim to have been “led” to the "truth" . . .

But now that Rome no longer condemns bible reading and we have the closed canon of Scripture, Scripture contains all we need to lead godly and right lives before god.
It's not reading that was condemned.
Time for a History Lesson . . .

Most
people were illiterate for the first 15 centuries. For example, only to the aristocracy and the clergy were able to read in feudal society. It wasn’t even seen as a “problem” until the invention of the printing press in the 15th century.

It’s not reading that was forbidden. Before the 15th century – ALL Bibles were hand-copied. They were very expensive and hard to come by unless you were rich. Because of this, Bible were chained to pulpits.

The problem arose when some rich men would have their own unauthorized translations copies that were filled with errors. Because of this, heretical teachings began to spread.
At the Council of Toulouse (1229AD) – the Church forbade the owning of these flawed and error-filled Bibles

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.(Scripture)

Now you need to show where we are allowed to obey extra biblical material that would oppose Scripture.
I ALREADY have.
It’s called Sacred Tradition, and its supported by Scripture
(2 Thes 2:15, 1 Cor 11:2, 2 Tim 2:2, 1 Thes 2:13).
 

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Institution of the Lord's Supper​

Luk 22:14 When the hour had come, Jesus reclined at the table with His apostles.

Luk 22:15 And He said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before My suffering.

Luk 22:16 For I tell you that I will not eat it again until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.”

Luk 22:17 After taking the cup, He gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among yourselves.

Luk 22:18 For I tell you that I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”

Luk 22:19 And He took the bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body, given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

Luk 22:20 In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.

Luk 22:21 Look! The hand of My betrayer is with Mine on the table.

Luk 22:22 Indeed, the Son of Man will go as it has been determined, but woe to that man who betrays Him.”

Luk 22:23 Then they began to question among themselves which of them was going to do this.

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Jesus says I am the bread of life John 6: 35
Again V 48, I am the bread of life
Verse 51 he says, "I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever and the bread that I will give me my flesh for the life of the world." He doesn't say his word or his spirit.
Then 54: whoever feeds upon my flesh ...has eternal life
Verse 55: for my flesh is real good and my blood is real drink
Verse 56: whoever feeds upon my flesh...dwells in me and I dwell in him
Verse 58: ...the one who feeds upon this bread will live forever

It's what it says and what we believe
do you?

He said whoever ate it will

John 6:

1. NEVER die - Vs 50
2. Live FOREVER - Vs 51, vs 58
3. NEVER hunger - vs 35
4. NEVER thirst - Vs 35
5. HAS ETERNAL life - Vs 40, vs 47, vs 54
6. WILL NEVER be lost - Vs 39
7. WILL BE raised on the last day - Vs 40, Vs 44, vs 54
8. WILL NEVER be cast out - vs 37

so we have basically 13 times jesus made a promise to ANYONE who ate of this food.

why does your church not believe these promises?