Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Taken]

The Catholic Church is the church and has been since day one.

Jesus called The Church “His (my) Church”.

The Church was never by Jesus, by the Disciples, by the Apostles Called:
the catholic church.

 

[Taken]

BTW,,,,sad to see that you believe what JESUS teaches is nonsense!

False accuser…

I was speaking to You.
I commented on your words.

I said nothing Against Gods Word.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Taken....
I wonder if we all read the entire bible and WHICH bible we read.
Are we all reading the same bible?
This is really beginning to bother me seriously.
What's happening to Christianity?
Do we not know what THE TRUTH is anymore?

In a nutshell -
It is the implementation of rampant individual interpretation and the rejection of the Authority of Christ's Church (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke. 10:16. John 20:21-23), whom He promised to lead that to ALL TRUTH (John 16:12-15).

 

[Taken]

According to YOU – but NOT according to Scripture (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19).

YUP.

If YOU saved a man from drowning in the middle of the ocean - and you knew that he would jump off the boat later - you would STILL rescue him. That's what a benevolent person does.

Your teaching Has the All Knowing God… Fooled by a man!

Utterly Foolish.

 

[GodsGrace]

In a nutshell -
It is the implementation of rampant individual interpretation and the rejection of the Authority of Christ's Church (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke. 10:16. John 20:21-23), whom He promised to lead that to ALL TRUTH (John 16:12-15).

I know very well Bread.
Protestantism has big problems.
But it seems like never the twain shall meet.
When a person declares themselves to be Protestant...
you have to inquire OF WHICH BELIEF SYSTEM.
When a person declares themselves to be Catholic...
you know what they believe (or, at least, what they're SUPPOSED to believe).
My born again Catholic friends have peace....except maybe for some disruption by the previous Pope.

 

[GodsGrace]

False accuser…

I was speaking to You.
I commented on your words.

I said nothing Against Gods Word.

I post scripture, or exactly what it states.
You said it was nonsense.

And why do you not post scripture yourself?
If you do NOT post scripture,,,,you're just giving your own opinion.

Will be waiting on a reply re
Luke 8
and
Luke 15

Thanks.

 

[GodsGrace]

Men are NOT Sav-ED then “UN-SAVED”.




Oxymoron.




No.
You think a man can Call on the Lord, Confess his Belief..AND The ALL knowing God…WILL Save the man… and then be like… oh Darn… Gee WHO KNEW that man would stop believing?

Elaborate…on that nonsense…

I posted above what the NT teaches.
Not what I teach.

YOU called it nonsense.

Please be careful before you call me disparaging names.

YOU post a lot of mumbo jumbo...
I've NEVER called your ramblings nonsense in all these years.

Please reply to my post with scripture
WITH scripture.
Thanks.

It would be nice, for example, to have just one verse or two stating that once we are saved we will be saved forever
NO MATTER WHAT...which is what those such as yourself teach.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus called The Church “His (my) Church”.

The Church was never by Jesus, by the Disciples, by the Apostles Called:
the catholic church.

Funny stuff Taken.

The super bowl was first called the Super Bowl in 1969.
It used to be called The AFL-NFL World Championship §Game.

Just like THE CHURCH:
It was first called
THE WAY

Then
CHRISTIANITY

Then
In 105AD it was called The Catholic Church by St. Ignatius of Antioch...a disciple of both Peter and John.
Katholika Ekklesia

And know why?

To distinguish it as the TRUE CHURCH from other Christian groups that were emerging that taught HERESIES.

AND
We have the Catholic Church to thank if we're on this Forum posting....
or the Christian faith would have been long gone.

 

[GodsGrace]

@Taken

Are you ABLE to reply to my posts
2204
2218

or are you just good at making COMMENTS??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your teaching Has the All Knowing God… Fooled by a man!

Utterly Foolish.

WRONG.

It shows that His love is boundless . . .

 

[Taken]

Uhhh - STILL waiting on an answer to the following questions you've been running from . . .

1. Can YOU show me where the Bible says that we are ONLY yo adhere to what is in the Bible??

It doesn’t SAY “ONLY”.
It does SAY…

2 Tim 3:
[16] “All” scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
THAT such a man who does use Scripture for, doctrine, reproof, correction, instruction:
God identifies, that man to be a man of God
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The writing of Scripture “did not begin with followers of Christ (ie Christians)”.

The writing of Scripture, commands… began being Written by God…and Continued…statutes, laws, precepts… written by Moses, via Gods guidance.

2.

What did the Christians do for the first 300 years of the Church when there was NO Canon of Scripture??

Listened to men, orally tell them Truths and Lies … broadly without means or ability to verify…

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know very well Bread.
Protestantism has big problems.
But it seems like never the twain shall meet.
When a person declares themselves to be Protestant...
you have to inquire OF WHICH BELIEF SYSTEM.
When a person declares themselves to be Catholic...
you know what they believe (or, at least, what they're SUPPOSED to believe).
My born again Catholic friends have peace....except maybe for some disruption by the previous Pope.

The most human thing that we do is to reject Authority.
It’s been going on since the Garden of Eden.

Jesus gave His Church the Authority to teach what He taught them – and they wrote much of it down.
With the guidance of the Holy Spirit, He gave that Church the Authority to compile and decide which writings belong in it.

It was rebellious men who decided to reject these teachings and teach themselves. One of the worst blunders they taught was that this collection of writings was our “Sole Authority” – something that the Bible itself doesn’t teach . They also taught that everybody should interpret Scripture for themselves.

And, like a game of “Telephone”, you get so many different versions of the Truth – until the Truth is lost . . .

 

[Taken]

Taken....


It's JESUS that states that we could lose/forfeit our salvation...not me.

Please explain the following verses IF you are correct:

Luke 8:13
13“Those on the rocky soil are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no firm root; they believe for a while, and in time of temptation fall away.


JESUS teaches that they BELIEVE FOR A WHILE
and then, for whatever reason - in this case due to temptation-
they FALL AWAY.

What exactly does this mean Taken?
What does it mean if someone BELIEVES?
What exactly are they FALLING AWAY FROM?


Luke 15:24
24for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again;


JESUS is teaching that a person could come to life AGAIN.
What does AGAIN mean?

I've given these verses before...
maybe not to you...
never get a reply, but get other verses instead...
just proving that the poster is creating a conflict in the NT teachings.

So how about exegeting the above two verses?

Belief… does not mean Saved.
men can believe, then not believe. It is you exercising, your FREEWILL, your own POWER to Reject Gods Word.

Call on the Lords Name..
He Listens.
Confess your True (Heartful, spiritual )…. Not (mindful)…. Belief…

Guess what happens Next?
The very thing Scripture Teaches MEN TO DO…. Verify what you Hear IS true or Not.
How does God DO THAT?
He Searches a mans spirit iN his Heart, to verify the mans Confession of Belief IS True..
And IF IT IS NOT???
Is the All knowing God Fooled… to give that man His Gift of Salvation…?
To Later be made a Fool, Because that man later Rejects God?

According to your teaching… YES.
You claim a man Can RECEIVE Salvation…. Then LOSE his Salvation…
That is False.

Jesus paid the PRICE ONCE and FOR ALL… to HAVE His Gift of Salvation…

Do you think IF anyone buys a Gift FOR you…
You possess that Gift,? (You don’t)
Not until you Take it.

Do you think YOU are Required to reach out your hand and Take that Gift? (You’re Not)

Do you think there are NO requirements / terms / conditions for a man TO “RECEIVE” Gods Gift of Salvation? (There is).

You seem to believe BECAUSE God “Bought, Paid for, Offered All men His Gift of Salvation…” The Gift magically appears. (It doesn’t).

If a man “Does Not fulfill the ConditionS”…(Before his mortal death”…)
He “Forfeits Receiving his Offered Gift”.

What a man Falls Away FROM… IS Faith.

 

[BreadOfLife]

It doesn’t SAY “ONLY”.
It does SAY…

2 Tim 3:
[16] “All” scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
THAT such a man who does use Scripture for, doctrine, reproof, correction, instruction:
God identifies, that man to be a man of God
[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The writing of Scripture “did not begin with followers of Christ (ie Christians)”.

The writing of Scripture, commands… began being Written by God…and Continued…statutes, laws, precepts… written by Moses, via Gods guidance.

Once AGAIN – where does it say that it is our “Sole Authority”?
The verses you posted say that Scripture is “Profitable”, or “Helpful”. It doesn’t say that it is “Sufficient” or that it is ALL we need.

You know what it DOES say? It says that the CHURCH is our final earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

Listened to men, orally tell them Truths and Lies … broadly without means or ability to verify…

Jesus doesn’t LIE. He identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5)
And Jesus promised His Church that it would NEVER succumb to darkness (Matt. 16:18).

According to YOU – it was teaching truths mixed with LIES.

 

[nedsk]

Its foolish to post "traditions" (verses) from the Bible, and the Bible has not one MaryCult Tradition, found in it.
You realize this yet, little one?
So, there are Traditions found in the Bible, but none of the MaryCult Traditions are found in the bible, and those are the "man made that make the word of God, of no Authority".
And This is why the bible has no authority in your life .... whereas you want to rant to the skies about MaryCult authority written as "church fathers" teachings that are not found in any bible. @nedsk

I realize you ignore the reality and cant answer the questions. Youre as transparent as glass and hollow as a straw

 

[nedsk]

Jesus called The Church “His (my) Church”.

The Church was never by Jesus, by the Disciples, by the Apostles Called:
the catholic church.

Yes the church Jesus said was his. I love agreement

 

[Muna]

Yes. Tradition teaches us so

Praying to a queen of heaven does appear to comes out of an oral tradition

Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

 

[Taken]

Once AGAIN – where does it say that it is our “Sole Authority”?

“Sole Authority” is your quoted words… Not my obligation to explain what YOU say.

The verses you posted say that Scripture is “Profitable”, or “Helpful”.

Works for me.

It doesn’t say that it is “Sufficient” or that it is ALL we need.

I have attested, and enjoy the Blessings God gives me.
If your needs are not met, than would be “your” issue.

You know what it DOES say? It says that the CHURCH is our final earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

Christ is the Authority of His Church.
Christ (Power of God) Jesus (Word of God) IS the ROCK of His Church.
Christs Church are His People.
Christs People “are” His People;
“Because Such People Vowed a Commitment of Belief, TO Him, IN Him.”

You want to put your BELIEF and VOWED SUBMISSION “TO earthly men”…
That IS YOUR FREEWILL to do so.

According to YOU – it was teaching truths mixed with LIES.[/FONT]

Yes.
Not a big Secret…Men do Speak Truths and Lies.

God Approved Scripture to BE a Trustworthy Source to Verify what “earthly men teach and preach”.

I do not care IF Scripture “IS Not a sufficient, Trustworthy Source for Verification, For You”.

 

[Taken]

We have the Catholic Church to thank if we're on this Forum posting....
or the Christian faith would have been long gone.

“We”, is your opinion to include / exclude your choices.

“You” can “thank” whomever you please….as can I.

I chose a long time ago, to Place my Committed BELIEF and Trust and Thankfulness, IN the Lord God…
His Word, His Power, His Church.
He IS my Rock…( not earthly men )

Deut . 32:
[4] He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Deut. 32:
[31] For ”their” rock is not as our (my) Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

1 Cor 10:
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I posted above what the NT teaches.
Not what I teach.

YOU called it nonsense.

I called your comment of your understanding nonsense.

Salvation is Offered to “Living” men…
take it or not.

TASTING…Gods Word, Enjoying Gods Blessing FOR Tasting Gods Word….
IS NOT EATING Gods Word.

A TAST-ER can SPIT out Gods Word.
They were NOT Saved… then Un-Saved
They were IN Faith, and Fell from Faith.

Jesus IS the Word of God…
EATING the Word of God, IS ONE of the Conditional Requirements….
BEFORE a Living human man IS Given Gods Gift of Salvation.

Salvation is “GIVEN” AFTER an Accounted bodily Death.

1 Cor 15:
[36] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:


* Do You think dead Bodys, come back to life, To Reject their Salvation?

Ecc 9:
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

It would be nice, for example, to have just one verse or two stating that once we are saved we will be saved forever
NO MATTER WHAT...which is what those such as yourself teach.

John 10:
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 6:
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
[58] This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

Multiple Scriptures have repeatedly been posted on this forum…
No one can understand Scripture For you.
… And “IF” any man “does NOT Eat”…
Is he Given Salvation/ For ever Life?…then Lose that Gift?

No.

Men “LOSE” their bought, paid for, offered Gift of Salvation…
Because they Fail to TAKE their Gift.